I'm sure you've got plenty of bookmarked video's declaring the opposite, again in Arabic.
Gun shots outside Parliament: Police shoot assailant following car attack on Westminster Bridge
- Thread starter Untied
- Start date
I'm sure you've got plenty of bookmarked video's declaring the opposite, again in Arabic.
That's the first part of what Wafa Sultan says in the video.
In other news the police now have 9 in custody and one on bail. Looking like it may not be a lone wolf after all.
The fact the you call is an 'alleged problem' is the cheapest shot of all.
Alleged. Bloody hell.
We're talking about one deranged individual with a history of violent offences and you're quick with your blanket statements, opting for divisive rhetoric instead.
I still haven't heard your solution to this problem, alleged or otherwise.
Associated with the likes of Gert Wilders and Pamela Geller. Makes sense.
Id say thats quite a comprehensive debunking of @Fearless VDO's contribution to this thread and thus blatant trolling and petty lazy racism.
Would appreciate if a Mod stepped in.
Last edited:
She might have had a point if she didn't segue into her larger theme of Jewish exceptionalism. Alas.
She referenced Christians amongst other faiths. The only exceptionalism is yours it would appear.
Don't forget to leave the lights on for the Germans.
You still haven't answered my question about what the solution is. Until you offer a tangible solution, your ramblings are just blanket divisive sentiments akin to trolling.
What do you mean by that?
Don't know why you've quoted me, I've not debunked anything. I merely typed the first bit out because I found it quite difficult to follow so I just made it a bit easier for everyone else. Was too difficult to type the rest of it.
"In the midst of its campaign against Hizbollah and Hamas "terrorists", Israel has been accused by Britain of feting Jewish "terrorists" whose bomb attack killed 28 Britons 60 years ago today.
The accusation, which reopens the debate about the use of politically-inspired violence in the region, follows the unveiling of a plaque commemorating the attack on the King David hotel in Jerusalem on July 22, 1946, by the Irgun Jewish "resistance" to British mandate rule in Palestine. The 28 Britons were among 91 people killed."
Full Story: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1524552/Israel-celebrates-Irgun-hotel-bombers.html
That's a shocking post, mate.
Good question....hopefully the wise amongst you will not see this a racist, but off the top of my head (ignoring the huge complications, Shite/Sunni split etc)
All Muslims states agree to put together a serious International Muslim Council which takes full authority over it's adherents on a global basis.
Mosques to be licensed, worshippers to be vetted by said council.
Fatwah's issued to streamline all Quranic interpretations thus taking away all dangerous ambiguities.
Interfaith dialogue to be ramped up.
All non-Muslim countries agree to the above and help with funding etc.
Just some ideas.
I'm surprised a Muslim leader doesn't do what England did in the past - feck the Catholics and the Pope and now we have our religion which I'm the supreme leader, I always though Saddam and Qaddafi did a good job but I may be wrong and they played the part of been a good Muslim.
Here I was thinking this thread was about the Events that occurred on Wednesday. Silly me.
Deleted
He, and many others, can't resist making some lefty moral equivalence by attacking Israel, the West, USA etc. when it comes to explaining any terror related incident, like it's all our fault.
I apologise to any German pilots who may have taken it the wrong way.
It's inevitable that the thread would go this way as soon as Islamist terror was linked and the shock of the initial event started to subside.
I never said any of that, I was just commenting on the dubious nature of that video. It's propaganda presented in the form of Damascene epiphany on behalf of a Muslim woman.
It's nice to see how you can take even a thread on a terrorist attack and turn it into a criticism of the left.
Doesn't have too. It could simply be a thread devoted to the Event itself but instead it's turned into a completely different subject.
How you cannot see the connection between Islamic Terrorism and Islamic Terrorism?
Must be a lonely fight without Holyland around anymore.
I clashed with him as well. Nice bloke though.
UK Muslims have a connection and will be affected by this event, despite having nothing to do with it. Along with sadness and shock, there is always collective sigh when a terrorist attack happens, we all know whats coming.
Before, we kept quiet not knowing how to respond, but we've understood we have to state we have nothing to do with such events as some desire to ostracise all Muslims as somehow supporting it. Its pathetic that British muslim MPs like Tulip Siddique and Rushanara Ali still feel they need to state that terrorists do not speak for them or Islam.
Last edited:
I think whether we knew them or not is, to be frank, irrelevent. I don't need to know someone personally to feel a tragedy, nor do I feel the need to use a tragedy to immediately advance my wider views on the matter.
Pogue's articles was focused just as much on the reactions of individuals rather than just the media frenzy that's whipped up.
Again, I think you're rather misrepresenting the article and its message (and indeed what I'm trying to say). I don't think we're saying that there needs to be a national outpouring of grief. But that running around or spamming a thread on the day of, or in the few days after the attack is done to try to 'get one over others', to prove a point, to use a tragedy to advance your own agenda and shows absolutely scant regard whatsoever for the victims.
I don't think what Fearless is doing currently for example is an attempt to seriously discuss the macro elements of the attack.
At the risk of being a dick, it's mainly the "whataboutery".
What about the other victims? What about other service personnel that have died in the line of duty? Why financially help the relatives of the one victim who will definitely have life insurance?
If we as a society feel that our police are not adequately compensated in the event of death or injury maybe this is the time to raise that structural question rather than pan-handling for one individual. But that is difficult, whereas chucking £30 at a crowdfunding site is easy. And I'm not saying the donations are not well intentioned or warm-hearted, just that the singling out of the one individual is, and I will stand by my original wording, ridiculous. It is taking good motivations and poorly applying them.
Leaving aside the fact that a financial windfall should do essentially nothing to ease the grief of his family. I know it removes imminent financial pressures, but this is heading towards lottery winner territory.
A few years ago a friend of mine in Greater Manchester was flooded out of his house by that really bad weather we had. I asked him who was offering help and he said the neighbours, the local council, GM council and a Muslim group from Coventry.
Who created the crowd funding for this individual? I have seen it done many times, usually by a friend, family member, people in the same profession. So depending on who set it up, you can understand why there is one going for one individual and not others. Though are we sure there are not other crowd funding events for the other victims?
edit: I see that it is related to a Metro Police Force effort to help the family of one of their own. Not that difficult to understand why the MPF would try to help one of their own.
This has always happened, I believe, just that crowd funding makes it an easier proposition. No need to visit your bank to donate, just going online with your credit card or PayPal account and you're done.
£573k now.
What happened to Holyland?Must be a lonely fight without Holyland around anymore.
Nothing.
I have just wrote about this in the Can We Stop Terrorism thread. I think that Muslim terrorism adversely effects Muslims more than any other part of the community. It isn't prolific enough to cause a lifestyle change for the average Brit but it does impact how Muslims are viewed by others.
I think that's all perfectly fair and well put. Tragic that he died doing his job, but equally horrendous that the other victims, including the seriously injured, were just on holiday or going about their daily business.
Ah, you seemed to be speaking of him in the past tense, so I wondered if he'd been banned.
You're entitled to your opinion but that's all it is.
The Police Federation set up the fund I believe for officers to contribute. Obviously the public have wanted to do the same and it's hit a massive high.
No one was really interested about police pay and conditions when the government decided to tear into them a few years ago so hardly worth raising the issue again.
I'm glad the family won't have to worry for money. They have to live without the main breadwinner now. It doesn't go far.