This is why I never engage in road rage. The sort of cnut who is an arsehole on the road is likely to have a shooter in their car too.
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Yeah, there's no background check for weeding out arseholes either.
Unfeckingbelievable.
I really want to have enough faith in Americans to believe that this is not true.
Refused to call police? Has Obama gotten round to allowing for the droning of US citizens on US soil yet? Perhaps this might have been a good place to start.
In all seriousness, is it still the police that are called to the scene when there are 40 gun wielding maniacs outside a restaurant in broad daylight?
Refused to call police? Has Obama gotten round to allowing for the droning of US citizens on US soil yet? Perhaps this might have been a good place to start.
In all seriousness, is it still the police that are called to the scene when there are 40 gun wielding maniacs outside a restaurant in broad daylight?
That'll show 'em.
First off, as usual I'd state the obvious and have you refrain from thinking of this as "Americans". Rest assured this sort of mongery is still on the fringe though there are plenty that will revel in the belief that it's not.
The thing is that I'm sure what they have done is all legal, and they know it. Just one of the many farcical situations we wind up with given the ridiculous legislation (and lack of) out there. There was a clown car full of them that walked into the Oregon statehouse a while back just to parade around with their guns. Cops couldn't do anything about it as I guess no laws were broken. I expect a lot of the standing laws they're exploiting have been around for sometime, but there wasn't the drive to exploit them and act the Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime like these knobs now feel the need to do. Absolutely pathetic advertisements for failed humanity. As a white American male, I find it beyond humiliating, and it grieves me that so much of the world would form some of it's impression of me from them.
I don't see many women in that group of gun nuts. You get your Sarah Palin's obviously, but this is mainly a male thing. Dickless twats who think they are something special because they tote a shooter. My belief is that they get some sort of power trip from it, similar to having a muscle car or whatever. I've weilded lots of guns and know all about how hard it makes you feel.
Pathetic really.
Pathetic really.
Is that legit above? Because I have my doubts.
Note: Must be true. Awesome parenting too! Cannot believe not a single cop was called. Good thing OCT had no blacks or Hispanics in the ranks!
Check out this pro-gun nutter site... http://bearingarms.com/moms-demand-outnumbered-10-1-at-their-own-dallas-meeting-by-open-carriers/
Note: Must be true. Awesome parenting too! Cannot believe not a single cop was called. Good thing OCT had no blacks or Hispanics in the ranks!
Check out this pro-gun nutter site... http://bearingarms.com/moms-demand-outnumbered-10-1-at-their-own-dallas-meeting-by-open-carriers/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...Safety-Group-in-Restaurant-Parking-Lot-in-TX#
But Open Carry Texas didn't stop there: They emailed us to say: "We had a great time today walking through San Antonio with our semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. The best part was that the reaction was very positive and supportive. People are "getting used" to seeing and being around guns and police have come to accept it and don't even question us anymore. What we are doing is working and society is coming to view the sight of "military style rifles" in public as just another normal thing. Isn't that a good thing?"
So this group would like us to return to a wild wild west era? Yeah, that will end up quite well.
Let's use bullying tactics to belittle MDA...
OCT has issued a "challenge" to the Mothers via Facebook:
But Open Carry Texas didn't stop there: They emailed us to say: "We had a great time today walking through San Antonio with our semi-automatic rifles and shotguns. The best part was that the reaction was very positive and supportive. People are "getting used" to seeing and being around guns and police have come to accept it and don't even question us anymore. What we are doing is working and society is coming to view the sight of "military style rifles" in public as just another normal thing. Isn't that a good thing?"
So this group would like us to return to a wild wild west era? Yeah, that will end up quite well.
Let's use bullying tactics to belittle MDA...
OCT has issued a "challenge" to the Mothers via Facebook:
After scaring restaurant customers and trying to intimidate the four unarmed women, Open Carry Texas posted on its Facebook page:
Hey Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, here's your chance to get your ideas out in public. The president of Open Carry Texas, CJ Grisham, is issuing an open invite and challenge to MDA President Shannon Watts to debate the issue of "gun sense" (gun control) versus gun rights (supporting the constitution). Since we are issuing the challenge, Shannon may pick anywhere in the State of Texas to hold the event and OCT will pay for the venue.
We will also accept the Texas Chapter President of MDA if Shannon doesn't feel intelligent or confident enough to handle an open debate. OCT will NOT be open carry at the event so MDA can feel safe and secure in its ignorance and false sense of safety. Shannon may email her response CJ directly from her official email to cj@opencarrytexas.org. The ball is in your court.
That my friend is because you are sane. I do appreciate you keeping the faith though. I'm glad to say my first thought was also that this must be over dramatized, which it actually sort of was (the headline anyway).
After seeing the Oregon chapter of those dicks parading around the statehouse with their freedom-keepers, I unfortunately find it quite believable.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...o-gun-protesters-occupy-oregon-state-capitol/
Now that I have looked a few times at the posing pic above, it could easily be a militant group, a right-wing militia, or even some white supremacist group. Easily. That's an impression a photo like that can give off.
that bearded git in black would make a nice target practice though 
"Someone spilled a sack of stupid" is another impression it can give off.
With Seattle out of the playoffs I guess Dempsey headed back home. He looks well pleased mugging there in red, the scamp.
This is almost unbelievable. As much as I realize these people exist, to actually see this said is... crazy.
I don't get it.
Not 100% sure how true this is but I read earlier on twitter that the laws are being relaxed in Northern Ireland to allow children from the age of 12 and up to use firearms in certain controlled scenario's. Citing sporting events etc as one of the reasons.
Of course, I and most other people know that this doesn't represent the majority of Americans. I guess I meant humans as much as Americans.
Though the rest of us do find it weird that their voice is so powerful and that acts like this can go unpunished. It doesn't really seem like there is anything these people can do that is bad enough to force even the most shameless corrupt politicians to make a change.
And people always ask me why the hell would I leave america.
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/23650965/open-carry-day-at-michigans-capitol-building
When I worked there, a similar thing happened. It was unnerving.
When I worked there, a similar thing happened. It was unnerving.
The Black Panthers famously pulled a similar stunt at the CA Capitol back in the 1960's and put the shits up whitey.
In my case, it was more of the redneck and tea party types. And then they wanted to talk to you about gun control legislation.
Following on from the plastic gun earlier this year, the first metal gun has been 3D printed...
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...inted-gun-manufactured-in-the-us-8932953.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...inted-gun-manufactured-in-the-us-8932953.html
ohh feck.
Meh, those type of 3d printers have price tags well into the six figure range. There is also some question about the final product's durability vs a traditional forged and lathed receiver.
Agreed, but then again the plastic printers used to be very expensive too. Like everything, as demand builds they'll become mass produced and the price will fall, not fast, but in a few years they'll be down at the price that certain groups will be willing to pay I suggest. With regards to durability, they've put 500 rounds through it so far apparently without issue. It's unlikely to replicate the life of a forged unit, but it's still a viable weapon it seems. And remember, they can always print a new receiver when they need it...
thats correct. just look at computers now and 10 years ago even....how much they cost.
While I get your point, computers weren't actually all that much more expensive in 2003 than they are now. Just better.
TV's would be a better example I think, technology has advanced at the same time prices have dropped.
Yeah, it definitely something to be concerned about as far as organized groups go. I can imagine that organized crime will love it, printed guns with no serial numbers. Use it, melt it down and print a new one as needed.
agree. you get a lot more for what you pay.
ahhh. Sex world.
Over time it will be interesting to see what sort of legislation might revolve around the printers. Will it become illegal to bring one to an airport?
New pic of the OCT... can you spot the biggest igit of the lot?
This OCT group is one tolerant bunch (sarcasm).
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/12/national-review-online-defends-intimidation-by/196856
National Review Online writer Charles C.W. Cooke defended approximately 40 individuals who brought guns -- including assault weapons -- outside of a Dallas, Texas area restaurant to protest a meeting of four members of gun violence prevention group Moms Demand Action (MDA). While Cooke acknowledged that protestors "got close to 'intimidation'" in one of the three articles he authored on the incident, he also excused Open Carry Texas' (OCT) conduct in other articles by suggesting that MDA may have been "lying" about feeling intimidated.
The controversy occurred on November 9 when four members of a Texas chapter of MDA conducted a meeting at Blue Mesa Grill in Arlington, Texas. As the MDA members met, members of OCT began gathering in the parking lot to protest the meeting. In Texas, it is legal to openly carry a rifle so long as it is not displayed in a menacing way. The OCT protesters were largely comprised of men with military-style assault weapons.
MDA founder Shannon Watts told USA Today that the MDA members and other patrons of the restaurant were "terrified," and, "They felt like in an armed ambush and had no idea why it was taking place." According to a Forbes interview with a representative of Blue Mesa Grill, a manager called police who sent a squad car but also advised that OCT members were within their rights to openly display rifles in public. According to the representative, by the time police arrived, members of OCT began to move away from the restaurant, which may explain why an MDA member was unsuccessful in filing a police complaint against OCT on November 11.
While disagreeing with their tactics, Cooke defended the right of OCT to wait outside of a gun violence prevention meeting with assault weapons largely by quibbling in three articles over whether pictures of the event supported claims of intimidation and by promoting the largely self-serving account of OCT that claimed MDA interactions with their group proved that MDA was not intimidated.
But this hairsplitting over the exact details of the confrontation ignores the larger point, that it is de facto intimidation when approximately 40 members of an extreme and insurrectionist group known for vitriolic confrontations with law enforcement mill around in a parking lot outside of a meeting of their political opponents while openly displaying guns.
In recent weeks OCT has been involved in two ugly incidents. While openly carrying a rifle in Texas is legal, almost all handguns may not be openly carried, but instead must be concealed. During an October 26 protest of this law near the Texas State Capitol organized by OCT, two supporters openly carried technically legal replica pre-1899 revolvers which fall into a small exemption to the general ban on open carrying of handguns. After police handcuffed the two men, an extremely agitated crowd of OCT supporters began hurling obscenities at law enforcement. A police spokesperson later stated, "The men were openly carrying suspected deadly weapons and were given the opportunity to leave the area, but refused."
Supporters of OCT called a police officer a "piece of garbage," a "fecking scumbag," a "worthless piece of shit," a "worthless waste of life," and a "traitor." One man repeatedly shouted "feck you, pig."
OCT's October 19 gun rights rally at The Alamo in San Antonio, Texas featured conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and insurrectionist Mike Vanderboegh. At the rally -- where supporters reportedly called police "tyrants with badges" -- Jones told the crowd, "We're not going to lay down if you offensively attack us. If it's a war they want, it's a war they'll get." Vanderboegh, whose anti-government views inspired a domestic terrorist plot, told the crowd, "You can kill us, if you think you can. But remember, we'll shoot back," and, "When democracy turns to tyranny, the armed citizenry still gets to vote."
Given that OCT's recent events have been an ugly mix of anger, violent threats and firearms, it is entirely believable that MDA members and others were intimidated by OCT's actions on November 9.
Still, Cooke acted as a stenographer for OCT, trumpeting the group's claims that interactions between MDA and OCT in the parking lot -- including disputed claims by OCT that MDA took pictures of the protest -- meant that no intimidation occurred.
Referencing a blog written by Owens -- who has promoted anti-government violence and once said Media Matters should "feel threatened" by him -- and Facebook posts by OCT supporters, Cooke suggested that MDA's claim of intimidation was untrue:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/12/national-review-online-defends-intimidation-by/196856
National Review Online writer Charles C.W. Cooke defended approximately 40 individuals who brought guns -- including assault weapons -- outside of a Dallas, Texas area restaurant to protest a meeting of four members of gun violence prevention group Moms Demand Action (MDA). While Cooke acknowledged that protestors "got close to 'intimidation'" in one of the three articles he authored on the incident, he also excused Open Carry Texas' (OCT) conduct in other articles by suggesting that MDA may have been "lying" about feeling intimidated.
The controversy occurred on November 9 when four members of a Texas chapter of MDA conducted a meeting at Blue Mesa Grill in Arlington, Texas. As the MDA members met, members of OCT began gathering in the parking lot to protest the meeting. In Texas, it is legal to openly carry a rifle so long as it is not displayed in a menacing way. The OCT protesters were largely comprised of men with military-style assault weapons.
MDA founder Shannon Watts told USA Today that the MDA members and other patrons of the restaurant were "terrified," and, "They felt like in an armed ambush and had no idea why it was taking place." According to a Forbes interview with a representative of Blue Mesa Grill, a manager called police who sent a squad car but also advised that OCT members were within their rights to openly display rifles in public. According to the representative, by the time police arrived, members of OCT began to move away from the restaurant, which may explain why an MDA member was unsuccessful in filing a police complaint against OCT on November 11.
While disagreeing with their tactics, Cooke defended the right of OCT to wait outside of a gun violence prevention meeting with assault weapons largely by quibbling in three articles over whether pictures of the event supported claims of intimidation and by promoting the largely self-serving account of OCT that claimed MDA interactions with their group proved that MDA was not intimidated.
But this hairsplitting over the exact details of the confrontation ignores the larger point, that it is de facto intimidation when approximately 40 members of an extreme and insurrectionist group known for vitriolic confrontations with law enforcement mill around in a parking lot outside of a meeting of their political opponents while openly displaying guns.
In recent weeks OCT has been involved in two ugly incidents. While openly carrying a rifle in Texas is legal, almost all handguns may not be openly carried, but instead must be concealed. During an October 26 protest of this law near the Texas State Capitol organized by OCT, two supporters openly carried technically legal replica pre-1899 revolvers which fall into a small exemption to the general ban on open carrying of handguns. After police handcuffed the two men, an extremely agitated crowd of OCT supporters began hurling obscenities at law enforcement. A police spokesperson later stated, "The men were openly carrying suspected deadly weapons and were given the opportunity to leave the area, but refused."
Supporters of OCT called a police officer a "piece of garbage," a "fecking scumbag," a "worthless piece of shit," a "worthless waste of life," and a "traitor." One man repeatedly shouted "feck you, pig."
OCT's October 19 gun rights rally at The Alamo in San Antonio, Texas featured conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and insurrectionist Mike Vanderboegh. At the rally -- where supporters reportedly called police "tyrants with badges" -- Jones told the crowd, "We're not going to lay down if you offensively attack us. If it's a war they want, it's a war they'll get." Vanderboegh, whose anti-government views inspired a domestic terrorist plot, told the crowd, "You can kill us, if you think you can. But remember, we'll shoot back," and, "When democracy turns to tyranny, the armed citizenry still gets to vote."
Given that OCT's recent events have been an ugly mix of anger, violent threats and firearms, it is entirely believable that MDA members and others were intimidated by OCT's actions on November 9.
Still, Cooke acted as a stenographer for OCT, trumpeting the group's claims that interactions between MDA and OCT in the parking lot -- including disputed claims by OCT that MDA took pictures of the protest -- meant that no intimidation occurred.
Referencing a blog written by Owens -- who has promoted anti-government violence and once said Media Matters should "feel threatened" by him -- and Facebook posts by OCT supporters, Cooke suggested that MDA's claim of intimidation was untrue:
As I noted earlier, some members of Open Carry Texas were claiming on Facebook and on the Bearing Arms blog that they had interacted with Moms Demand Action at a protest in Dallas, thus diminishing MDA's claim that it was so intimidated by their presence that they had to hide out in a nearby restaurant.
While Cooke sought various explanations from an OCT spokesperson in his series in order to discount the veracity of MDA's claims, the bottom line is that if MDA says they felt intimidated, then they were intimidated. And the circumstances of the protest and OCT's past conduct certainly legitimize that feeling.
Isn't that more an argument for having guns sitting around on walls in schools, hospitals etc.?
I could be wrong but I've never heard nor seen a news story about fire extinguishers killing innocent people.
People kill other innocent people. A fire extinguisher could be used a tool to that end, just so happens guns are far better at it.
That is because the Fire Extinguisher lobby is more powerful than the NRA.