Greenwood (Out) - signs for Getafe on loan

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FromTheBench said:
So media lynch mob that wanted him not to play for United, don't want him playing anywhere else also it seems?

So what is the end solution according to this media led lynch mob would love to know?

And his baby and his alleged victim is involved in this as well and they surely want him playing in a big stage asap.
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I couldn’t care less where he ends up.
 
I reckon if none of this happened and he’d been playing the past 2 years then the Saudis would have probably came sniffing around now.
 
DJ_21 said:
I reckon if none of this happened and he’d been playing the past 2 years then the Saudis would have probably came sniffing around now.
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Have the Saudis been sniffing around the likes of Saka?

If all had gone to plan with MG, that’s the sort of player he’d now be comparable to.
 
cj_sparky said:
Serie A has the lipstick campaign every year to raise awareness of domestic violence against women, that sees players wear a red mark on their cheek. I honestly cannot see how they would want a person like Mason Greenwood in the league.
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He's going to get a chance from someone. Think of it cynically, how would a PR campaign work with what you just said?

Present Greenwood as an angry boy who mistreated his girlfriend, at least verbally. He was never convicted, so that is an out - he isn't a criminal. Tell the story of the boy who was humbled and kicked out of the club he grew up in and had to become a man. He took responsibility for his actions (although he hasn't really) and recieved his punishment (exile), he made amends to the girl (although we don't really know), moved his family to Italy where he is determined to live by ideals of family values, and where he will work towards becoming a modern husband and father who rejects the old ideals. If he's a good footballer he also becomes a role model for young italian men - who might have grown up in a culture where violence towards women was the norm. That could be turned into a powerful message.

Reality is not just and morality is only important when it comes to public perception, and public perception can be manipulated. If he's still a good footballer, his career is far from over.
 
Lay said:
. For example, with Bari they received huge backlash for trying to sign Portanova who sexually assaulted a woman. He's on the books of Genoa but hasn't played in months due to protests
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feck me, the guy got 6 years in prison, he’s a convicted rapist.

MG on the other hand has been recorded “threatening” to do some things.

MG, however you spin it, isn’t similar to Portanova in any legal sense. He’s together with the original accuser, it’s nothing alike (gang rape) and some decent Italian PR will do everything required to get him into Serie A.

Swiss and British players count as EU players from 2023/24.
 
Its a difficult one to work out where he might end up. Probably giving Utd and MG's own advisors/agent a headache.

Media pressures and fan reception at grounds aside. He has a young fiance (they married?) and a young baby. Does his missus want to go abroad? Does she want to stay close to her family? Is he willing to go abroad and leave the family at home and travel back to see them when hes not playing?

Theres alot of off the field stuff i.e. the family situation which will play a part. Maybe he ends up at a club where theres a strong ex-pat community, ie. Malaga (pulling that out as an example).

Also what happens if Utd cant find him a club before the window closes? The loan window is still open for a while right?
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
feck me, the guy got 6 years in prison, he’s a convicted rapist.

MG on the other hand has been recorded “threatening” to do some things.

MG, however you spin it, isn’t similar to Portanova in any legal sense. He’s together with the original accuser, it’s nothing alike (gang rape) and some decent Italian PR will do everything required to get him into Serie A.

Swiss and British players count as EU players from 2023/24.
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Well, due to their partnership with charities, even if he hasn't been convicted, It would be another faux pas by Serie A which they can't really afford at the moment. By some dodgy reports it already looks like Atalanta and Roma have distanced themselves from rumours of signing him, Napoli won't be in for him either.

For any club its a risk, but I can't fathom a top 5 league deciding he is worth it when he hasn't kicked a ball in over a year. I think Turkey will be his destination eventually.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
The majority of Manchester United fans do not have a RedCafe account &/or post on Twitter or Reddit. That’s not an opinion it’s counting.

We do not know what the majority of United fans wanted, what we do know is he will be leaving so speaking of lazy catchphrases that one can go too.
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Good grief.
Well we cant ask every single Utd fan obviously but do you understand how Polls work dont you? and how they can give a reasonable approximation?
We had a pretty decent sample size on the Caf which is a pretty fair approximation but then if you bother to look at other surveys elsewhere you see pretty close to the exact same results as we got on here.
Its a pretty accurate indicator, especially given the sample sizes and the consistency of results from multiple polls or surveys.
Its not a catch phrase at all.
But hey you keep looking for ways to diminish or divert attention.
 
Stack said:
Good grief.
Well we cant ask every single Utd fan obviously
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This is exactly where your post should have stopped. You can’t ask every fan so you can’t make ridiculous statements like ‘most fans’.

If you believe scaling up the opinions of people in forums & Reddit constitutes a valid reason to repeat a ‘lazy catchphrase’ then you’re already a lost cause. You wouldn’t take this debate between you & I then say it’s 50/50. . . People got what they wanted, so let’s dial back the sensationalism a bit.

Seeing as you know how polls work. Do they usually take the results from a rather specific demographic in one group then upscale it to the entire group which was underrepresented in the sample?

We’re a tad fanatical on here, we debate the most random things Manchester United for hours on end, look at us now ffs. We are not ‘the norm’.
 
duffer said:
Chelsea fans don't give a single shit about that. On the list of clubs Chelsea fans dislike, you probably barely make the top 10.
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Getting a player for peanuts from a rival would fill any fan with glee.

If the shoe was on the other foot there would be plenty of United fans lapping it up, especially given our lack of talented strikers.

United have taken a big brunt of the PR hit already because the story broke when he was a United player and they let it drag on and on.

I think there will be discussions being had by several Prem teams that will be weighing up the pros and cons of bringing MG in.

Especially for ones in need of a striker and who are not as big as United. Exactly why Chelsea came to mind!
 
Whichever club eventually takes him is going to have to do so while ignoring the noise that wollt come with it.

They might even have to account for a sponsor or two pulling out. They'll get another one though.

It's good that football has grown a backbone though. Well, it would be if it wasn't complete and utter bollocks. Footballs the equivalent of that mate who used to be out every weekend getting smashed but now posts pictures of himself up some misty hill on a Sunday morning with the caption "fresh"

He's never even been up a hill and only reason he's up that early on a Sunday is because it's still Saturday night. That's football. Pretending to be one thing while still being exactly what it's always been.

Still not as pathetically hilarious as the Saudis of all people claiming they don't want a player on moral grounds. Incredible stuff.
 
The Saudis are spending billions to sportswash their image. It doesn't work if they buy people rejected by western society.

Just like Qatar are doing with Man Utd.
 
I don't mind fans not wanting Greenwood back and saying it was the right choice to let him go - but it puzzles me when a lot of the same people who threatens to leave United as fans if he had come back - seem to have no problems with getting new owners who are responsible for doing a million times worse than Greenwood ever did.
 
lysglimt said:
I don't mind fans not wanting Greenwood back and saying it was the right choice to let him go - but it puzzles me when a lot of the same people who threatens to leave United as fans if he had come back - seem to have no problems with getting new owners who are responsible for doing a million times worse than Greenwood ever did.
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What’s puzzling. Are posters that think you can take the opinions of people on a football forum or a paid subscription sports site like The Athletic & extrapolate it to the entire fanbase, so much so they call people names & have their posts deleted. . .

The same loadmouths will have loads to say about Saudi too & will act like shouting the loudest equates to being the largest group.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
What’s puzzling. Are posters that think you can take the opinions of people on a football forum or a paid subscription sports site like The Athletic & extrapolate it to the entire fanbase, so much so they call people names & have their posts deleted. . .

The same loadmouths will have loads to say about Saudi too & will act like shouting the loudest equates to being the largest group.
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Sadly that’s how the world works. Social media just fuels this chaos.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
The same loadmouths will have loads to say about Saudi too & will act like shouting the loudest equates to being the largest group.
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Tbh I'd doubt so. The takeover has been going on for ages and so far I haven't heard a single thing from the women team nor Rachel Riley.

Maybe they think the players present the club more than the owners. Or they just follow what's the trend. Or the Qatar royals are simply too powerful people to mess with. You'll never know.

But it's true if they're that against the abuses and violence against women they should have had something to say about the ongoing takeover. Else it's a bit double standard imo.
 
I can understand why teams are reluctant to bring him in because the media circus surrounding him will be huge. It’s hard to ignore the fact though that a club will be getting a £150 million pound player for pennies and if they can weather the initial storm, they will be in the unique situation where they can retain him for longer. If he re-discovers his top potential, there’s a list of top teams who still wouldn’t touch him. The question is, who is brave enough to face the media circus.
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
I can understand why teams are reluctant to bring him in because the media circus surrounding him will be huge. It’s hard to ignore the fact though that a club will be getting a £150 million pound player for pennies and if they can weather the initial storm, they will be in the unique situation where they can retain him for longer. If he re-discovers his top potential, there’s a list of top teams who still wouldn’t touch him. The question is, who is brave enough to face the media circus.
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Roma would be perfect for him b/c Mourinho loves any attention he can get, negative or not. I'm sure he'd try to spin the signing of Greenwood into some sort of redemption story.
 
gaffs said:
Getting a player for peanuts from a rival would fill any fan with glee.

If the shoe was on the other foot there would be plenty of United fans lapping it up, especially given our lack of talented strikers.

United have taken a big brunt of the PR hit already because the story broke when he was a United player and they let it drag on and on.

I think there will be discussions being had by several Prem teams that will be weighing up the pros and cons of bringing MG in.

Especially for ones in need of a striker and who are not as big as United. Exactly why Chelsea came to mind!
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A memorable player we got from our rivals for peanuts would be Cantona.
 
Anyway, hope he is sold soon since the decision has been taken so that United can re-invest the money in bringing in new players.
 
Stack said:
feck off with the media lynch mob bollocks. The majority of fans wanted him gone and that had nothing to do with the media, that was simply people knowing right from wrong.
This whole "media lynch mob" is one of those really easy, really lazy catch phrases people can chuck around to divert from the actual issue at hand. Keep repeating it to yourself till it becomes fact.

Also "alleged victim?? Is that another method of trying to minimise or discredit what actually happened??
WTF is wrong with you?
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Firstly there is no way to tell majority but anyway Then why were the same so called majority of fans welcoming Ronaldo back after his case and payoff agreement signed in Usa? I'll tell u why because the media didn't go after him with the same vigour as they did with Greenwood. If they had infact then same so called majority of fans like sheep ignoring any facts would have probably been against him too. I am pretty certain of that cause most say we didn't know etc.... As a excuse.

And victim is alleged victim only till proven.
 
Strelok said:
Tbh I'd doubt so. The takeover has been going on for ages and so far I haven't heard a single thing from the women team nor Rachel Riley.

Maybe they think the players present the club more than the owners. Or they just follow what's the trend. Or the Qatar royals are simply too powerful people to mess with. You'll never know.

But it's true if they're that against the abuses and violence against women they should have had something to say about the ongoing takeover. Else it's a bit double standard imo.
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None from Women team has said anything publically on Greenwood either and it's not fair to expect them to say anything on Qatar or Greenwood publically as it could impact their livelihood unlike People here who could take whatever position as we don't have any material impact due to said positions .

As far as somebody Like Riley is concerned she lacks consistency in her position anyway , just recently she Recreated synchronised Ronaldo's iconic celebration along with fans as part of promotion during women's World Cup who has some serious allegations of rape against him as well . She could have easily refused that gig as it is completely at odds with her stance on Greenwood.
 
gajender said:
None from Women team has said anything publically on Greenwood either and it's not fair to expect them to say anything on Qatar or Greenwood publically as it could impact their livelihood unlike People here who could take whatever position as we don't have any material impact due to said positions .
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It's ok for them to say things that negatively impacted the livelihood and career of someone else but staying silence on the same matters when it comes to their own life and career? That's coward and still double standard imo.
 
Strelok said:
Tbh I'd doubt so. The takeover has been going on for ages and so far I haven't heard a single thing from the women team nor Rachel Riley.

Maybe they think the players present the club more than the owners. Or they just follow what's the trend. Or the Qatar royals are simply too powerful people to mess with. You'll never know.

But it's true if they're that against the abuses and violence against women they should have had something to say about the ongoing takeover. Else it's a bit double standard imo.
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To be fair you can separate the owners from your support of the club. When I am supporting Manchester United, I have no care for the Glazers. But supporting a player wearing the kit on the pitch is a completely different ball game.
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
To be fair you can separate the owners from your support of the club. When I am supporting Manchester United, I have no care for the Glazers. But supporting a player wearing the kit on the pitch is a completely different ball game.
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Agree that depends on how you personally see this. For me it's kinda the same. It's basically impossible for me to convince myself that the Qatar royals have nothing to do with United if they own the club.

Then the Glazers are surely greedy but they didn't commit the crimes the Qatar royals have so we can't use the situation with the Glazers as an argument here imo.
 
Strelok said:
Agree that depends on how you personally see this. For me it's kinda the same. It's basically impossible for me to convince myself that the Qatar royals have nothing to do with United if they own the club.

Then the Glazers are surely greedy but they didn't commit the crimes the Qatar royals have so we can't use the situation with the Glazers as an argument here imo.
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People can still separate the club from the owners, with a player I feel it is more difficult.
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
I can understand why teams are reluctant to bring him in because the media circus surrounding him will be huge. It’s hard to ignore the fact though that a club will be getting a £150 million pound player for pennies and if they can weather the initial storm, they will be in the unique situation where they can retain him for longer. If he re-discovers his top potential, there’s a list of top teams who still wouldn’t touch him. The question is, who is brave enough to face the media circus.
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His value seems to go up with every mention.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Probs cause an actual fecking Italian judge recently decided a janitor pulling down a 17 ye old girls pants at school and slapping her arse couldn’t be sexual harassment or sexual assault and was clearly just banter because it lasted less than 10 seconds.
If Juve, Napoli, Milan or Inter sign him, I don’t for a second think you’ll see anything like the outrage that we did here, certainly not with celebs and politicians diving in on it.
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He will find it very difficult to go to Italy, this is from the Athletic about the campaign other posters have mentioned.

Serie A hasn’t always been the most scrupulous of leagues. Its clubs have signed the sons of dictators and rehabilitated players caught up in match-fixing scandals. Recently, however, the Italian top flight has become more self-aware, more sensitive to its image, and more purposeful in the causes it promotes.

One of them is a collaboration with the WeWorld non-profit organisation, which seeks to raise awareness of violence against women.

Serie A has dedicated a matchday to the issue in each of the past six seasons. In February of this year, players and match officials took to the pitch with a line of red face paint daubed on their cheeks, a symbol of such physical abuse. A video was also played on big screens in stadiums up and down the country and carried by the league’s domestic broadcast partners too. It featured Italian World Cup winners Alessandro Del Piero and Marco Materazzi and Olympic athletes Elisa Di Francisca and Marta Pagnini calling for violence against women to be shown the colour red — expelling it from society.
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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Hahah, Serie A do anti racist things all the time too….

If it was say Napoli, they’ll point to the fact he’s been convicted of nothing, and the macho Southern Italian culture will barely bat and eyelid.
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Napoli have been very inviolved in it too

Napoli’s 2022-23 Scudetto-winning coach Luciano Spalletti often used his press conferences last season to highlight injustices and suffering.

He brought two roses and held a minute’s silence in memoriam of Mahsa Amini, who died last September after being taken into police custody by Iran’s morality police, sparking the demonstrations in which Hadis Najafi was killed a day later. Movingly, he then asked fans attending Napoli’s final game of the season on June 4 to remember Giulia Tramontano, who was seven months pregnant when she was stabbed and killed by her boyfriend the previous week.
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This idea that foreign leagies, teams and fans won't care is just wrong, you don't have to be English or support an English team to abhor domestic violence. I don't see any team taking Greenwood right now.
 
Acquire Me said:
Sadly that’s how the world works. Social media just fuels this chaos.
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The unsubstantiated & quite clearly false point that ‘most people’ want something because a number of fanatics have taken to social media is dangerous.

Before last week if you’d have put a photo of someone like Rachel Riley in front of me I’d have said she’s the woman from countdown, I had no clue she was a United fan & frankly don’t care. The fact that she is seen as speaking for me doesn’t sit right.
 
Stack said:
feck off with the media lynch mob bollocks. The majority of fans wanted him gone and that had nothing to do with the media, that was simply people knowing right from wrong.
This whole "media lynch mob" is one of those really easy, really lazy catch phrases people can chuck around to divert from the actual issue at hand. Keep repeating it to yourself till it becomes fact.

Also "alleged victim?? Is that another method of trying to minimise or discredit what actually happened??
WTF is wrong with you?
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I've seen numerous polls outside of this forum, and if not all the majority were pro Greenwood. People knowing right from wrong is such a fragile saying in this year and age is actually laughable.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
The unsubstantiated & quite clearly false point that ‘most people’ want something because a number of fanatics have taken to social media is dangerous.

Before last week if you’d have put a photo of someone like Rachel Riley in front of me I’d have said she’s the woman from countdown, I had no clue she was a United fan & frankly don’t care. The fact that she is seen as speaking for me doesn’t sit right.
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Who see's her as speaking for you?

Does that go for Neville, Stormzy, Usain Bolt, Eamonn Holmes or Conor McGregor when they have previously expressed an opinion on United in whatever way they often have? Where you upset and troubled that the world would think it was your opinion by extension?
 
Stack said:
Good grief.
Well we cant ask every single Utd fan obviously but do you understand how Polls work dont you? and how they can give a reasonable approximation?
We had a pretty decent sample size on the Caf which is a pretty fair approximation but then if you bother to look at other surveys elsewhere you see pretty close to the exact same results as we got on here.
Its a pretty accurate indicator, especially given the sample sizes and the consistency of results from multiple polls or surveys.
Its not a catch phrase at all.
But hey you keep looking for ways to diminish or divert attention.
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His head is going to explode when he finds out all our national opinion polling companies question 1000 responders from a pool of 35 million potential voters.
 
Duafc said:
Who see's her as speaking for you?

Does that go for Neville, Stormzy, Usain Bolt, Eamonn Holmes or Conor McGregor when they have previously expressed an opinion on United in whatever way they often have? Where you upset and troubled that the world would think it was your opinion by extension?
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It’s funny you mention Neville cause I’ve previously said similar about how he is seen as speaking for the entire fanbase on multiple things, just go to his thread on here & you’ll see examples of multiple people saying he doesn’t.

ref Riley: Multiple articles have cited her saying she will withdraw her fandom as a reason Manchester United should have taken the decision. These articles have used her views as those of the fanbase, that’s what I mean but you know that.
NicolaSacco said:
His head is going to explode when he finds out all our national opinion polling companies question 1000 responders from a pool of 35 million potential voters.
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Your head is going to spin when you find out those responders come from a wider variety than one forum or pay to subscribe website but you know that which is why you didn’t come to me directly.

The rather specific pool of people being used to speak for the many would deem any opinion poll worthless.

Nice try though. Feel free to discuss further should you drop being disingenuous. This forums polls do not canvas a wide enough amount of the fanbase. They’ve never been upscaled beyond here before so not sure why they would now.
 
Strelok said:
It's ok for them to say things that negatively impacted the livelihood and career of someone else but staying silence on the same matters when it comes to their own life and career? That's coward and still double standard imo.
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What a strange view. They are being professional and only answering the questions asked of them rather than making a public statement off their own back. Who's to say that if the circumstances were the same and they were asked about Qatar internally in the same manner they were about MG they wouldn't share their opinions?
 
Strelok said:
Agree that depends on how you personally see this. For me it's kinda the same. It's basically impossible for me to convince myself that the Qatar royals have nothing to do with United if they own the club.

Then the Glazers are surely greedy but they didn't commit the crimes the Qatar royals have so we can't use the situation with the Glazers as an argument here imo.
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The Glazers may be good or bad owners, but nobody can try to tarnish them with any kind of misdemeanours or human rights abuse. The Qataris on the other hand....

I would actually argue the opposite to the poster above. I can support a team that contains an individual player with an isolated "issue", that has actually been announced by the club that he did not commit the crimes he was accused of. I will not be able to support a club that is owned by a state that systematically breaches western standards of human rights.

If the women's team did oppose Greenwood's return (and jeopardised his financial wellbeing nd that of his family), but are not prepared to speak out against Qatar because their livelihood is at risk, we should bin the lot of them. Absolute disgrace.
 
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