Nobody is going there to advance their career and it's not a place you go when you have reached your peak like the Premier League is.
Nobody is going there for footballing reasons either.
So yeh, football graveyard is exactly what it is.
Greenwood (Out) - signs for Getafe on loan
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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Nobody is going there to advance their career and it's not a place you go when you have reached your peak like the Premier League is.
Nobody is going there for footballing reasons either.
So yeh, football graveyard is exactly what it is.
Rachel Riley will have the cheque book open in 24 hrs.
Think that depends if you see players coming back to good contracts in Europe after, too soon to tell.
Saudi or Turkey probable. If he did a couple of years contract in the former for decent money, very probable could move back to Europe after that. Most teams won't touch him now.
I just don’t know how you have decided all that without anything having actually happened yet. You’re looking back from the future.
In fairness perhaps I have misunderstood your definition of the term. I took it to be synonymous with ‘ footballers retirement home’, and there’s no way anyone can possibly make that call yet.
I think the club stating he is, in their opinion innocent, to make it easier to move him on.
And last year it would have been 99%. And next year it might be 60%. I’m no fan of it, but I’m surprised at how quickly it has been written off. I bet a lot of golf fans said similar about LIV.
Not really sure why it's unreasonable to question how the situation will be handled in the meantime. He could be sold tomorrow of course but there's also a possibility he might not.
No way we should be donating the fee given we already have a foundation at the club committed to charitable causes. Any funds received should be reinvested into getting a midfielder or another attacker to replace Greenwood.
No idea, good question
They could take x% of the fee to allocate it to donations or the internal charity effort you mention.
Guess we'll see, I think everything happening now is very ad hoc.
No he was far too busy breaking his bail conditions and impregnating his other half.
It’s been reported by the club that he won’t return to training with United. It’s literally a case of finding someone to take him on.
And obviously forgot how to kick a ball
Hope we sell for cheap but add a massive sell on clause
Ah. I'd not seen anything to that effect in Arnold's statement only that they would continue to support him, which is open to interpretation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66554874
It’s in this BBC article. Admittedly not the club statement as a thought but I knew I’d read it somewhere!
So many jokes about kicking and balls but it’s probably too soon, and I know I’ll end up in trouble again if I do……
Looks like he is going nowhere and I doubt he plays again.
We don't have to sack him but we could just pay off the remainder of his contract and cut him loose. I would prefer to do that but I am genuinely curious as to whether the same people insisting he should never play for us again would then accuse the club of abandoning its duty of care by releasing him with no future employment lined up.
We don't have to sack him but we could just pay off the remainder of his contract and cut him loose. I would prefer to do that but I am genuinely curious as to whether the same people insisting he should never play for us again would then accuse the club of abandoning its duty of care by releasing him with no future employment lined up.
If the Saudis are afraid to take him then he's fecked really. Anywhere he goes it'll cause a big fuss. No way he lands in the MLS or top european leagues.
Alas, it'll always be too soonSo many jokes about kicking and balls but it’s probably too soon, and I know I’ll end up in trouble again if I do……
That’s what she said!
The evidence we'll never hear
There are a number of players who have faced similar accusations and gone on to not be convicted or overturn an earlier conviction who have been able to resume their career. There has been opposition in each case but the player has been allowed to continue playing.
I do think he will find a club but we all have to consider what happens if he doesn't. At that point we are looking at months with a player on the books who they have a duty of care towards and who also cannot afford to sit at home until January on top of the 18 months already lost.
In that situation there is no benefit to Greenwood agreeing to terminate his contract and be paid out. He would still be without a club. So I would be surprised if that happened.
As @Plant0x84 posted, it doesn't look like the club will allow him to train so where would that leave us?
In the above situation, we would have to tread carefully until his contract ended in order to not fall foul of employment laws because Greenwood can now point to the fact the club has publicly stated they believe him to be innocent.
We could quickly find ourselves in a bit of a mess.
Haven’t we got any employment law specialists on here?
You don’t need to have been found guilty in a court of law to be guilty of Gross Misconduct.
It strikes me that the rather oddly worded insistence in Richard Arnold’s letter that the club don’t believe MG to be guilty of the things he was charged with might be a defence against an action for Constructive Dismissal, in the event that he’s binned off without a payout.
You don’t need to have been found guilty in a court of law to be guilty of Gross Misconduct.
It strikes me that the rather oddly worded insistence in Richard Arnold’s letter that the club don’t believe MG to be guilty of the things he was charged with might be a defence against an action for Constructive Dismissal, in the event that he’s binned off without a payout.
but the entire point of sportswashing is to clean that image, not exacerbate it
I doubt their plan to spend 10s of billions cleaning their image includes becoming the go-to league for all the sexual deviants and accused rapists from other leagues
This is pretty much best case scenario. We’re not going to get a massive fee for him, we’re distressed sellers and everyone knows it.
A loan just prolongs the problem, what if he goes to Turkey and scores 40 goals and does well in Europe? There’d be calla to bring him back into the squad for the following season. Will the new owners have a different opinion?
I’d have kept him, but that ship has sailed, time to rip off the plaster and get him gone.
a new life is only a couple of hours away on a plane
The club are going to rue releasing that statement yesterday. If he can’t train & we can’t offload him what next? We’ve got public figures still claiming what United did wasn’t enough proving it no more than an exercise in getting their pound of flesh.
The club should have controlled the narrative on this, the absolute clusterfeck this has become is 100% on them. Club needs selling & people need replacing as quickly as possible.
I really thought we were controlling the narrative. The people on top are just not that good. They continue doing questionable things time after time.
This thread or any other discussion about MG summed up:
What do you specifically mean by this?
So you don't believe Arnold who is in receipt of more information than the rest of us including Rachel Riley ?
We took a ridiculous amount of time & seemed to be speaking to everyone, even the bin men, about how they feel. It’s understandable to speak to key stakeholders but you don’t run a business by asking everyone how they feel about working with their colleagues. This is an extraordinary situation but it sets a dangerous precedent.
We have absolutely tanked the asset.
Get ahead of a journo being able to break the story & make a decision. They could have ‘parted ways’ before all this. The decision to keep or leave shouldn’t have been drop fed, it’s pure cowardice.
That was an honest question. I have that said several times over the past five days. Thanks for answer. Do you think he could have stayed if they just came out and said it and revealed some of their findings in the investigation in say June/July?
It’s almost unbelievable how bad the club handled this. The amount of time used can now only be explained by them not knowing what to do at all. Involving to many is certainly not a good idea. The club should have kept things between as few as possible and then executed the plan they believed in swiftly.
A full sale with new owners and top management will definitely help this club move forward and place itself up with the best clubs in Europe where we belong.
I believe had they said at the end of the season they’d concluded their investigation & EtH is free to select that this whole thing goes differently.
Fully agree.
Back on topic, we have made this sale/loan so much more difficult than it could have been had that been the outcome in the first place.
It also strongly indicates we intend to sell rather than simply sack him as if we're saying we dont believe he committed the crimes he was charged with then our case for dismissal for gross misconduct and, by extension, not paying off his remaining contract looks legally very open to challenge.
Course he'll get a move.
It might be Turkey or Greece or somewhere random that is quite a fall from where he was, but he'll get one. There will be a variety of clubs where there isn't much spotlight on them where he'll be able to carry on and they'll be okay taking a punt on him based on the talent he had. He might have to be willing to take quite a cut in his financial expectations and we may have to bend over backwards to ensure it happens, but it will indeed happen. I'm sure he realises his earning power will be at rock bottom when he negotiates his new contract, he probably just wants to get his career going so it could be some random club.
It might be Turkey or Greece or somewhere random that is quite a fall from where he was, but he'll get one. There will be a variety of clubs where there isn't much spotlight on them where he'll be able to carry on and they'll be okay taking a punt on him based on the talent he had. He might have to be willing to take quite a cut in his financial expectations and we may have to bend over backwards to ensure it happens, but it will indeed happen. I'm sure he realises his earning power will be at rock bottom when he negotiates his new contract, he probably just wants to get his career going so it could be some random club.
Done interviews with Mason, his family, her family etc. Right now the press and media personalities are controlling the narrative. Its criminal why the club has not taken things by the horn and start shaping the story or making statements that had more questions than answers.
Being the CEO of United is an impossible task -- I wouldnt even touch it with a ten foot pole. News articles/reports everyday that you have to address or firefight; then the matches twice a week which fans will always have an opinion on social media -- and then all the financial targets to meet. CEOs of Fortune 50 companies have an easier job.
But to let this Greenwood story run and run without being managed and/or having guardrails is naïve or dumb.
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