Greenwood and Foden kicked out of England squad for bringing girls into hotel room

DeGea said:
Joking aside. This reflects lack of discipline and poor judgement. Which is a worry in the greater scheme of things.

Imagine if you were a footballer. First England call-up. New to the set up. In a pandemic. Being told specifically to stay in your bubble.

And you go and do this.

It is either you are stupid/lack judgement.
Or you don’t respect authority.

Neither are good qualities. Deserves a real Fergie-esque bollocking.

I hate to bring class into this but footballers have the opportunity to move up the social ladder through a ridiculously well rewarded career. They often have a different mentality at the start of their careers (often due to their background) and have to have the awareness that they need to change this to change their future. Money alone is not enough. The mind needs to change.

Do non-English teams have this problem?
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Don't be so naive.
 
If Southgate think they are too immature and drops them from further squads, then they won't be playing in Euro 2021. Braindead decision from the 2 young lads, it was risky for all the squad members too.
 
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Anyone saying it’s nothing, That they’re young and it’s expected making light they pulled some girls, I doubt you’d disagree that both players are probably sat there now absolutely gutted and highly regret Doing what they done.

there’s no excuse really, they fecked up and wouldn’t be surprised if they were left out of the next few squads
 
sammsky1 said:
It's not understandable at all, and attitudes like yours is why they behave with such idiocy. There is a global pandemic, and so many adjustments and hard work has happened to create 'biosecure conditions' to allow these players to do what they love, which is play competitive football. And yet we then get these two idiots willing to risk the health and safety of the entire group, just because they felt horny.

Foden and Greenwood especially are 'jewel in the crown' academy graduates from their clubs, whom have been educated in every facet of being a modern day footballer in English Premier League. Lack of judgement like this simply shouldn't happen. They have self created a shitstorm around themselves, which I doubt they are emotional equipped to handle.

Im not sure what disciplinary measures the clubs should take, but I hope it's swift and harsh and comes from England and their clubs. Let it be a very painful lesson
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They did it at work too. They weren't at home or something between games, like Jofra Archer was during the test cricket series, but were on duty at their team hotel.
 
Where's the actual news report about them bringing girls in though?
 
Chemically castrate them!
 
Snow said:
It's the tik tok generation. Our education system has failed here as much as everywhere else.
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Yeah, I suppose. Same all over.

Tik tok should be burned. Or banned. Or something. But then again, everything should be. As in - everything should be burned. Not banned, necessarily - but definitely burned.
 
JPRouve said:
I'm surprised by some of the answers. The issue is that groups have rules and each individual needs to respect them, you can't have some members believing that they are above them and it's even more important when you have to live with 30-40 other adults during a tournament, Greenwood and Foden showed that they are immature and that needs to be fixed. Now it's not the end of the world, the FA should sanction them and move on, United/City shouldn't be involved outside of having a serious talk with both players.
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There needs to be some sort of limit on the rules a group can put upon an individual though, especially when that group has a monopoly on the sort of thing you do (it's not like he can pick another England team). They've been in different forms of bubbles for how long now, half a year? And in an extremely controlled enviorment since they were young teenagers, or even before that. Being a professional footballer shouldn't mean you can't have a private life whatsoever. The problem here is covid, and there's no alternative to sending them home now, but something has to give at some point in ones life.

I certainly wouldn't have joined a group of grown men that forbid me to meet woman when I was 18 or 20. Nor would I today.
 
Snow said:
We have our own rules. You quarantine for 5 days when you enter the country. England got an exception to this with the caveat being that they would be confined to their hotel. Obviously having someone from outside their squad enter the hotel room is breaking the rules.

So they broke the England rules and also the nation's rules which could and should mean further fines.

Yes it's not completely unsurprising that someone would break the rules in this manner but that doesn't mean it wasn't disappointing, stupid and should have consequences.
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Oh yeah, I agree with that, it was moronic of them breaking the rules set by England and they're getting the punishment they deserve, hopefully they learn their lesson from it!

The melodrama of Mason missing the start of the season through quarantine or infecting the whole squad seems a bit overblown. Especially when players not on international duty are happily going to bars, clubs and restaurants in much more at risk areas without anyone batting an eyelid. I can see the annoyance more from the Iceland side of things from the risk posed to bringing infection into the country than the other way around
 
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Abizzz said:
There needs to be some sort of limit on the rules a group can put upon an individual though, especially when that group has a monopoly on the sort of thing you do (it's not like he can pick another England team). They've been in different forms of bubbles for how long now, half a year? And in an extremely controlled enviorment since they were young teenagers, or even before that. Being a professional footballer shouldn't mean you can't have a private life whatsoever. The problem here is covid, and there's no alternative to sending them home now, but something has to give at some point in ones life.

I certainly wouldn't have joined a group of grown men that forbid me to meet woman when I was 18 or 20. Nor would I today.
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:lol:

he wasn’t forced to go. Jeez man, there’s rules for the group, there’s rules for the country. They were both broken. Not everything is about fighting for freedom
 
Abizzz said:
There needs to be some sort of limit on the rules a group can put upon an individual though, especially when that group has a monopoly on the sort of thing you do (it's not like he can pick another England team). They've been in different forms of bubbles for how long now, half a year? And in an extremely controlled enviorment since they were young teenagers, or even before that. Being a professional footballer shouldn't mean you can't have a private life whatsoever. The problem here is covid, and there's no alternative to sending them home now, but something has to give at some point in ones life.

I certainly wouldn't have joined a group of grown men that forbid me to meet woman when I was 18 or 20. Nor would I today.
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What are you on about? You are generally not allowed to bring random women/men in a camp just to have sex and if you can't respect that simple rule for 10 days then you may have an issue.
 
Really wonder how Southgate will handle this in the future I know that it it was Deschamps they'd get kicked off the team until at least 2022 or something
 
They have been naive and stupid but both will learn from it. These things have always been there but the only problem now is that Social media is the norm so everything gets out quickly. This generation is always on social media anyway and I find it naive that both were happy with these snap chat conversations while breaking the rules. At least ban mobile phones in the room if you bring girls in illegally. What Mason needs to do now is focus on his football and become famous for that. It is outrageous mainly because they broke quarantine rules otherwise you could easily ignore it. Unfortunately too much money and young footballers will produce moments of stupidity like this. Ronaldo was caught with escorts in Manchester including Anderson and Nani. It didn't stop Ronaldo to go on and become a great of the game. Greenwood should adopt the same mentality. I also don't believe footballers should be seen as angels. They are just normal people like us only paid more.
 
Obviously Greenwood is just saving himself from appearing in a meaningless international game, so he can be ready for the start of the season. Oh, and they were probably scared to face Denmark!
 
"Southgate said he couldn't elaborate further as he was "still getting to grips with the detail".

Hahaha Southgate was banging one out watching the videos.
 
duffer said:
It depends on what happens. If they both blatantly lie about what happened or show no remorse at all then it's reasonable that Southgate won't pick them.
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Pep and Ole will come down very very hard on them. Wouldnt surprise me if both managers spoke to agree the same set of punishments.
 
They are absolute morons and deserve to be dropped for a while (inc. disciplinaries from their clubs) but the fact someone filmed that phone call suggests this was a bit of a stitch up
 
they'd better get back to the UK pretty quick, everyone in Iceland is likely related to those girls in one way or another and won't appreciate what they did with them.
 
They made a stupid mistake and will face the consequences. Move on.

If they continue to do things like this, then we can start talking about actually having bad behaviour or not having the mentality to make it all the way.
But to judge their whole personality and future after one time, even if its extremly stupid on first time call up in the middle of a pandemic, is harsh imo.
 
reelworld said:
yeah, I wouldn't think too much of it if there wasn't a fecking pandemic that could kill you.

fecking idiots the both of them
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Me and my family were in shielding for many months on account of my 4 year old daughter and her life shortening illness, and even I can still think about this rationally. He's 18 years old FFS. He make a mistake. Drop the Mary Sue bullshit will ya?
 
Braindead, and a sign that for all the talent Mason has, he's far from being a certain success in football. These are red flags, but it could be just a growing pain of a lesson and he'll learn from it, I'm just very skeptical that this will be the last of it.
 
christy87 said:
There fecking kids what do you expect, when the leaders of the team were left out.
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Foden's 20 and a father. You'd think he'd learn something about responsibility firstly from being a dad and secondly playing for a major club....appears not.
 
I think one of our players could literally murder a child and there would be people on here defending them. It's just incredible.

I get you're supporters but it's OKAY to admit that sometimes, even our squad of angels do things that are objectively wrong.

Mason and Foden are idiots. They should be punished and reprimanded. They could have infected not only the England squad (causing a forfeit, completely new squad or even death, it's an actual pandemic ffs) but also brought it back to Manchester and caused us or City to lose players for the opener. Put your blinders off.
 
Iceland, eh? Bet there was some

*clap*

HUH!

*clap*

HUH!
 
Sayros said:
Braindead, and a sign that for all the talent Mason has, he's far from being a certain success in football. These are red flags, but it could be just a growing pain of a lesson and he'll learn from it, I'm just very skeptical that this will be the last of it.
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He'd better. If he thinks he's arrived in football on the back of an impressive debut, Ole should take him aside and tell him stories of footballers who've pissed their careers away after getting too much too soon
 
Redplane said:
Yeah while i dont disagree with the consequences of their actions I think even those of us who dont have that fame have made some seriously questionable decisions in our younger years. I know I have. Im just lucky to not have had press following my every movement :lol:
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Isn’t that the truth! At times, I was a right bastard in my youth.
 
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