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Looks like even Jack himself is laughing away at the idea after he heard about the bid
Grealish To City? | City bid £100M
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Looks like even Jack himself is laughing away at the idea after he heard about the bid
They'll probably sell a couple of players (Bernardo/Laporte/Sterling/Jesus/Mahrez) and recoup half of their outlay on Grealish/Kane.
Let's hope Spurs/AV refuse to sell.
Let's hope Spurs/AV refuse to sell.
I wouldn’t say that’s completely true. City don’t allow themselves to get rinsed by other clubs anymore just because they are loaded that’s why they walk away from plenty of deals like Sanchez, Van Dyke, Maguire.
Is he that much better than the likes of Mahrez though? he’s silky on the ball, entertaining to watch and wins his team a lot of fouls but in that position it’s all about goal contributions for me and he’s nowhere near others in his position.
I’ve never seen a player hyped this much for doing so little. Good player but not sure he’s better than what they already have.
They have players who are good on the ball im not sure winning free kicks cuts it at the top level /shrug
Yeah, it really depends though. Pep could easily deploy him in the David Silva role, with Foden higher up, or vice versa and between them, the goal contributions and creativity, along with a KdB and a striker like Kane (+ another attacker) - I honestly don't see goalscoring as the main problem in such a setup.
On topic about Grealish, tbh with you, i am on the hype train, albeit I don't think he's worth the price it will take for AV to consider selling him. The thing I like most about him though isn't even the creativity/dribbling etc. - it's his mindset. He seems to have this determination to just stand up and be counted when the going gets tough. Those "winner" mentalities are rare, IMO - even moreso for a flair player. That's what i have been most impressed by.
How?
Will be sad to see him go to City, he’s a great player and has the swagger for United.
But being realistic, we do appear to be rightfully prioritising RW and CB, with a rumoured outlay of €90m and €50m. There’s absolutely no chance we spend a further £80m+ on a player like Grealish when we also need a DMF. I’m confident Ole is doing the right thing here.
But being realistic, we do appear to be rightfully prioritising RW and CB, with a rumoured outlay of €90m and €50m. There’s absolutely no chance we spend a further £80m+ on a player like Grealish when we also need a DMF. I’m confident Ole is doing the right thing here.
I see what you mean. It is what made Hazard such a pain in the butt when we played against them. He would hold the ball and alleviate pressure and drive at us until we foul him. I am not saying Jack is Eden as he has to prove it to me still and Hazard was regarded the best in the league but I know exactly what you are sayingNot through the middle of the pitch. Grealish's vertical dribbles straight into the heart of the opposition is what sets him apart from someone like Bernado who is a quick twist and turn, cut inside and relay the ball kind of dribbler. Grealish can get the ball in and around the centre circle and drive directly into a mass of bodies and have the penchant of getting to where he wanted to more often than not.
As I was typing my last post, your mentioning of Hazard did remind me of that and I think it's a very specific skill (vertical dribbling and taking on whoever comes at you) as opposed to isolating a man wide and skipping off on the inside of him before the assisting CB or DM/CM comes to meet you - you get more time and you're already in a position where opposing players have to decide whether they break rank to meet you or hope the midfielders get over in time. What Grealish and that type of player can do induces immediate panic stations and the swarms we got used to seeing last season as a swathe of bodies try to protect the spine of their side and have no hesitation in breaking rank to attempt to shut the threat down. It's a massive tactical asset to have a player who can do that in your team and we marvel at it because, apart from the odd hero run, most games see nothing like it. So when you've got a player who has that as their biggest strength, the off the ball strategies can become so much more nuanced and targeted - the chain reaction is massive as the striker ahead can tuck behind the CB who is uncertain of whether he needs to go, and the CM's and DM's are flapping and momentarily losing their composure. At City (or any top team), other players in the midfield and attack can pick and choose what they elect to do in this newfound space.
It's just a massively useful (and rare - did I mention rare...) quality, and can be used in so many different ways to hurt the opposition and control the midfield or really stifle a game as a whole.
Grealish has four years left on his Villa contract. That means his fee will be huge, £100 plus. City already bidding for Kane which I guess will cost them £125-150m so where will they legitimately get the money from to buy Kane and Grealish. Selling players has always been hard because of the huge salaries they are on, one reason Yaya didn’t move when he was upset about no birthday cake. Great player but would he fit in at OT? Of course, if we sign Sancho, City will receive £11m from us as part of the deal.
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Not at all surprised that Pep is going for Grealish - currently him and Foden seem to be the most technically sound English players on the ball. He might just play Sterling as ST and still win the league with most goals scored while leaving everyone else to squabble over Kane and Haaland.
They're like magnets attracting opposition towards them and creating chaos that makes life so much easier for their team-mates. Grealish has quite a bit to prove (is he a big fish in a small pond? Can he play pass and move football? Will he opt for a pass when it's on or be overly reliant on dribbling? What's his intelligence like? Can he do it in the CL? etc. etc) but the outlay for such unique services from a club that doesn't want to sell, is rich and willing to up his wages, should nestle there or thereabouts the figures being spoken about in the press.
It's just a shame it's City that he could end up playing for.
Wow. I just peeped that VILLA spent 90 million net last season. Basically didn't need to sell anyone and they have already spent 35mill this season. They truly are rich
So no bid made according to BBC. Press gossip just getting silly?
Press didn't say a bid has been made. Just that one is coming after the Euros.
If City sign Grealish and Kane then they are likely to dominate the Premier League for some time.........probably. Just imagine the pressure and expectation on their shoulders though. Winning the PL with that squad would not be good enough. They would need to be winning the Champions League multiple times. Anything less can only be considered a failure
CAS struck down a CL ban for City, reduced the punishment to a pretty small fine. For oil clubs with unlimited money, that's no punishment at all, and now the precedent is set.
They'll probably end up getting him. Honestly not sure how impactful Grealish and Kane would be for them. They need someone to run in behind. Everyone will just want to come deep to get on the ball. I'd be more worried if City got a Rashford type and not Grealish for their left wing to pair with getting Kane. If it's Kane, Grealish and Foden as a front line with Gundogan, De Bruyne and Rodri in the middle, it'll be a very "meh" team when they actually play.
I’m sure City fans would take wining only the PL for the next 5 seasons.
Fraudiola hey? He will be proclaimed the GOAT off the back of EPL wins and unprecedented spending that blows out the comp. That is unless he is asked to leave
That's not true, ESPN, Dail Mail and TalkSport all said a deal had already been agreed and it'd be announced after the Euros.
Young fans were already ready to call him that if they would've won the CL
There were a couple of oppos (and perhaps even United fans) ready to call him the GOAT in his thread on RedCafeYoung fans were already ready to call him that if they would've won the CL
oh the wnakfest around him will be unbearable if this transfer does happen if it isn't already. He's a very good player but not quite in the way he's being overrated currently esp. around Southgate not playing him regularly.
That’s so sensible and no right thinking man will argue!
But this is so important. Grealish is the signing of a lifetime. He is the Cantona we did get and the Gascoigne we didn’t get (SAF’s greatest transfer regret, if I’m right).
It would be my happiest moment as a United fan (many decades) transfer-wise if we got him and the biggest mistake if we “let” him go to City.
I can’t argue with your logic but let’s be illogical and get the most exciting player in the league. Feck the rest.
He maybe overrated now. But he has big potential and is already a good player. In the hands of Pep, I think he will become a lot better.
So City lets media know they want Grealish
Villa don't need the money and Grealish has a big contract with a big release clause (if it exists). So seems like Villa have an upper hand.
Media says "Villa determined to somehow keep Grealish"
Villa don't need the money and Grealish has a big contract with a big release clause (if it exists). So seems like Villa have an upper hand.
Media says "Villa determined to somehow keep Grealish"
He's not even 1 year into his current 5 year deal, so if he'd be stuck after signing a contract now, then he's already stuck.
The new contract is likely to pay him the market rate for superstars and not to "tie him down" so to speak. That already happened last summer.
They're not accepting 100 million? Are they crazy?
Agreed, if he does sign a new deal it's just to raise his wages and not to add on years. Probably include a release fee if one's not there already.
They want to qualify for Europe
Absolutely gutted if City signs him. I've been a fan for years and I was happy to see him start to reach the expectation he has on his shoulders.
He looks to have the right type of mentality to succeed, looks confident and sure in his own ability and he also has a little fire in his belly. I would love to have seen him at OT.
He looks to have the right type of mentality to succeed, looks confident and sure in his own ability and he also has a little fire in his belly. I would love to have seen him at OT.
Wish I could like posts. People don't understand how valuable his skillset is in modern football. They're looking at these things through the lens of goals/assists (which he did pretty well in, in a smaller team mind you) and the traditional winger ie: beat a man + cross/shoot etc.Not through the middle of the pitch. Grealish's vertical dribbles straight into the heart of the opposition is what sets him apart from someone like Bernado who is a quick twist and turn, cut inside and relay the ball kind of dribbler. Grealish can get the ball in and around the centre circle and drive directly into a mass of bodies and have the penchant of getting to where he wanted to more often than not.
As I was typing my last post, your mentioning of Hazard did remind me of that and I think it's a very specific skill (vertical dribbling and taking on whoever comes at you) as opposed to isolating a man wide and skipping off on the inside of him before the assisting CB or DM/CM comes to meet you - you get more time and you're already in a position where opposing players have to decide whether they break rank to meet you or hope the midfielders get over in time. What Grealish and that type of player can do induces immediate panic stations and the swarms we got used to seeing last season as a swathe of bodies try to protect the spine of their side and have no hesitation in breaking rank to attempt to shut the threat down. It's a massive tactical asset to have a player who can do that in your team and we marvel at it because, apart from the odd hero run, most games see nothing like it. So when you've got a player who has that as their biggest strength, the off the ball strategies can become so much more nuanced and targeted - the chain reaction is massive as the striker ahead can tuck behind the CB who is uncertain of whether he needs to go, and the CM's and DM's are flapping and momentarily losing their composure. At City (or any top team), other players in the midfield and attack can pick and choose what they elect to do in this newfound space.
It's just a massively useful (and rare - did I mention rare...
The entire team benefits massively in ways that just can't be captured by stats. His ability to bring the ball up the pitch in a few seconds that would take the rest of the team 10-20 passes to equal is priceless. It opens up the whole game. His ability to release the perfect pass after that also can't be understated. He makes the right decision 9.5 times out of 10. Before he really upped his production this season, he was the king of the hockey assist, or the "assist to the assist" for precisely this reason.
Clearly City arent all that serious about getting it done. Throw 100 million at them and offer him 400k a week.
Liking your post for the content (outside of you wanting to like mine
) as I agree and find a lot of the backlash being a reaction to an elevated profile for the sake of contrariness without much reasoning placed behind it. The bit I've bolded, I think when I first had a look at him was the first thing I wrote in the initial paragraph - to be so dependable and capable of doing this game in and game out is worth its weight in gold.This talk of him being overrated, by whom? I think there are certain doubts that can only be addressed by him showing and proving, but outside of that, it's not hard to draw a fair balance between what he's done and has been capable of to date and silly, direct claims he's already a superstar.
The second bolded is what is generally only brought to the attention of the masses once the pundits make a big hullabaloo, but it's just as instrumental as the next passage of play that actually leads to the ball being put in the back of the net and it's invaluable. In his own way, Scholes had this forte, too, as it was his spraying of the ball out to a flank or through the lines that set up the assister to supply the goalscorer. In any official record, Scholes gets no assist, but the reality is that without his action, there would be no goal providing opportunity in the first place. Grealish's game is one that should be assessed as a whole, not just for the highlight reel stuff.
Well if he's negotiating a new deal with Villa then the brief about City's interest might of just been done by his agent to get more money
If Grealish and Kane go to City, they’ll make a strong team even better, however they are already a great team. If we get Sancho and Varane, we’ll be that little bit closer. They can only play 11 players at the end of the day. There’s no doubt we’ll give them more of a challenge this year.
No, they are perfectly sane. Grealish's worth and importance to that team is more than 100M.
I like this trend of teams holding on to their stars. If you don't want to pay the asking price, wait out the contract, or find your own Grealish in the reserves/feeder team in Chile.
It's actually captured using stats and Grealish ranks very high in that. Best part of his game is, he makes it look so easy and he is very easy on the eye to watch.
I hope you retain him, with couple of good additions like last season, you should be in shout for European places.
I actually think City will lose attacking dynamic selling Sterling and opting for Grealish. Him and Foden for example are too similar influencing play through the middle. City will strip themselves of the tendencies to have speed in the flanks stretching play. The best I've personally seen them looking the most dangerous was Sane / Sterling in good form along with KDB / Silva / Fernandinho.
Biased view but I think the issue with Grealish is finding balance as he needs the space on the left to run at the opposition but also needs the central attacking areas to drift into. A very hybrid style of play
Biased view but I think the issue with Grealish is finding balance as he needs the space on the left to run at the opposition but also needs the central attacking areas to drift into. A very hybrid style of play
Pep most probably use him as false 9. He has tricks to earn free kick and penalty. He always get space in city team because their attackers not allow defenders to concentrate on him. If doing so they will concede goals anyway.
If grealish go there he will play mostly as false 9 in place of gundogan. Their front three will be quiet interchangeable too in foden and sterling with kdb as no.10 or front 3 of kdb foden grealish. All are capable of playing that false 9 role superbly except sterling.
By the look of it kane won't go there in my opinion.
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