Yeah I was saying this.
Easily needs to spend another £250m just to replace the out going players.
Then you have to look at Pulisic, Ziyech, Aubamayang and Havertz in terms of forwards.
It’s a hell of a lot to rebuild.
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Yeah I was saying this.
Easily needs to spend another £250m just to replace the out going players.
Then you have to look at Pulisic, Ziyech, Aubamayang and Havertz in terms of forwards.
It’s a hell of a lot to rebuild.
Pretty fecking stupid that we turned down Tchouameni for €40m during the summer of 2021!
It's been beyond obvious for years we needed to refresh our midfield. Regrettably we didn't and now it's bordering on dire.
Are you sure Chelsea could have signed him that cheap? When the rumours came up I was pretty sure that he could end up there given our recent success and the fact Tuchel knew him well + speaks fluent French. Thought he was much more expensive ultimately and there were rumours of a pre contract / agreement with RM at the end. I may remember it wrong though. Would have been ace for them.
Ronaldo in January could save him.
More like finish him off.
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Yep - this was the summer before he had his breakout campaign at Monaco in 21/22. Reportedly Chelsea's hierarchy turned it down because they didn't think he was ready. Tuchel liked him a lot. Instead we got Saul Niguez
I would like to start off by saying that I absolutely do agree with the notion that we need to invest time on a manager and what you are about to read will come off as lacking that desire, however hear me out. The team needs a rebuild, this much is very clear even to the bluest tinted glassed fan. We need a manager that can build the core of the squad with an identity. Our squad is a mix of players, leftovers from many managerial changes, therefore we lack any identity. This would fall in line with Todd Boehly's thinking when he gave Potter a 5 year contract. This however, has proven to be fatal. Potter to me lacks any elite tactical nous, he lacks a spine himself. He does not have a stamp of authority in him whatsoever. To build around a manager, you need to see the managers vision. 2 months in, we have ZERO identity, or idea on what Potter would like us to play as. The man is bland, personality and tactics. You need an elite manager who will be able to stamp his authority and identity on a new rebuild. This is not Potter. He was flavor of the month at best, and Boehly having no football knowledge fully bit on the hype hook. We speak of his great job at Brighton. Do you truly know his percentages? His time with Chelsea is included below.
Premier League Records
He has a 28% winrate. In Tuchel's first game with us against Wolves, you knew immediately the identity he wanted bled in his team. A team that no-one wants to play against. Defensively solid, possession based. Two months later, we have no idea what Potter wants his team identity to be. This is where the idea that we need to let him build around the team collapses. A manager knows right away what he wants his team to do. Regardless if the players do not fit. You buy in the window, but at least you are pushing the identity. Look at Ten Haag at United, you can see his vision clearly. Potter has no vision for his team. During last week's training, a Chelsea youtube content creator actually went to see the team train. Guess what Potter did the whole time? He stayed half the field away from the team, literally did NOT speak once to the team. He was just looking in the distance, not engaging whatsoever with the team. He is timid, over his head, and fundamentally not good enough to manage a team like Chelsea.
We need to find a coach who understand what it takes to build a team, and stick with him. Potter is simply, not good enough.
Premier League Records
| Matches | 128 |
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| Wins | 37 |
| Draws | 46 |
| Losses | 45 |
| Goals For | 142 |
| Goals Against | 157 |
He has a 28% winrate. In Tuchel's first game with us against Wolves, you knew immediately the identity he wanted bled in his team. A team that no-one wants to play against. Defensively solid, possession based. Two months later, we have no idea what Potter wants his team identity to be. This is where the idea that we need to let him build around the team collapses. A manager knows right away what he wants his team to do. Regardless if the players do not fit. You buy in the window, but at least you are pushing the identity. Look at Ten Haag at United, you can see his vision clearly. Potter has no vision for his team. During last week's training, a Chelsea youtube content creator actually went to see the team train. Guess what Potter did the whole time? He stayed half the field away from the team, literally did NOT speak once to the team. He was just looking in the distance, not engaging whatsoever with the team. He is timid, over his head, and fundamentally not good enough to manage a team like Chelsea.
We need to find a coach who understand what it takes to build a team, and stick with him. Potter is simply, not good enough.
If that’s true (about the observed training) then Chelsea are in big trouble.
It already looks suspiciously like the players aren’t playing for him.
Such a disconnect could be fatal.
Not in a worse position than we were last year. Their forward line is not very dissimilar to Rashford, Martial, Ronaldo, Elanga, Lingard, Cavani.
Remember, a wise man once said:
"If you don’t know what you are looking for it is a needle in a haystack. If you know what kind of football you want to play and what kind of profiles for each individual position, then it’s about finding them and convincing them to come."
He later turned out to be an imposter though.
He’ll be reet once he gets Ronaldo in January
I like Potter but he’s clearly out of his depth. That post above was an interesting read by the Chelsea fan.
Potter hasn’t got the personality for a big club. He’s a very boring man and the players don’t seem like they are interested.
These are good times. Chelsea are in a decline as everyone predicted. Without Roman, they’re up shit creek without a paddle.
Also, from Twitter:
Potter hasn’t got the personality for a big club. He’s a very boring man and the players don’t seem like they are interested.
These are good times. Chelsea are in a decline as everyone predicted. Without Roman, they’re up shit creek without a paddle.
Also, from Twitter:
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You're wrong there i think. I dont get the 'without Roman' stance, as financially we are actually better off now, and after getting abuse for yrs at how often we hire and fire, people are now giving the new owners a bit of stick because they might actually want to stick with Potter for the time being. We are in this situation due to a lack of a real DOF in the summer window, and the [in hindsight] underperforming signings. There is a very good chance that with James, Kante, Fofana and Chilwell back we will go up a level or 2.I like Potter but he’s clearly out of his depth. That post above was an interesting read by the Chelsea fan.
Potter hasn’t got the personality for a big club. He’s a very boring man and the players don’t seem like they are interested.
These are good times. Chelsea are in a decline as everyone predicted. Without Roman, they’re up shit creek without a paddle.
Also, from Twitter:
The way Clearlake are willing to throw money around would suggest that with a experienced, good, DOF then upcoming windows will be better, Nkunku for one. And if Potter was to get the boot, i think theyd go for a winning manager next with a solid CV
However, re the bolded part I highlighted, i have thought that myself once or twice. I'd love him to succeed here but i do get the impression his team talks would be repetitive
What on earth is the point in listing his win/loss record as the Brighton coach? It literally serves no purpose and it has no bearing on his ability to coach Chelsea.
This bolded bit is just nonsensical. A silly youtuber went along to an open training session where they do a few keepy uppy and shooting drills for the public to ooh and aah about before they're ordered off the premises so the real work can begin and he thinks he knows everything about how Potter coaches his team?
Mount is a n. 8. He is not a left wing.
Chelsea needs two attacking players: a goal scorer (Nkunku is very good) and a winger with dribbling and creativity (for me Kvaratskhelia, or second choice Leao). Sterling is useless, but now is difficult sell him. Keep Broja, Harvetz and Pulisic and sell Zytech.
The mid needs a defensive midfielder (Kouadio Kone is my first choice, for sure not Edson Alvarez, very overrated). Sell Jorgingo. Keep Kovacic, Mount, Rlc, Gallagher. Plus the youngs Chukwuemeka, Hall and i like also Webster.
In defense recall Colwill and bring back Ampadu (a good player). Plus buy a sub for Reece (Frimpong).
This is a 200m market. But Boehly has jus spent 300. Can Chelsea spent another 200m? The waste of money of this summer is a total disaster.
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And, as we see on the pitch, that real work is obvious on the pitch and in no way backs up the YouTubers observations about not being able to impose himself in training.What on earth is the point in listing his win/loss record as the Brighton coach? It literally serves no purpose and it has no bearing on his ability to coach Chelsea.
This bolded bit is just nonsensical. A silly youtuber went along to an open training session where they do a few keepy uppy and shooting drills for the public to ooh and aah about before they're ordered off the premises so the real work can begin and he thinks he knows everything about how Potter coaches his team?
Well no, since Chelsea actually have had good matches under Potter and that youtuber is just being hysterical for the sake of being hysterical, as they all do. And his observations are worthless since no actual real training is being conducted in an open session. Shooting drills does not require Potter standing there shouting at the players. So yeah, pointless observation.
What are those good matches? I can see a CL argument but genuinely the only game you’ve played well in is the Wolves game?
It’s all good and well throwing money about. If the structure isn’t there and it’s not done wisely it will go sour.
We should know this being United fans.
This was not an open session training, it was a full training which sponsors were allowed to bring a few selected people with them. Not the open session BS. The lack of shooting absolutely shows not only in training, but in our matches too. It is not pointless, it is spot on, regardless if you like it or not. The observation he had before the game was “from what I saw in training, I really dont know where we will get goals from. I cant see us scoring”. We lost the game and we could not score.
The youtuber is YounesTalksFootball and youd find him to be one of the more honest and clear youtubers around if you decide to give him a watch for reference.
Yes, Chelsea played well in pretty all the CL games, as well as against Brentford and Wolves in the league, and to be honest City in the league cup. That's a handful of games, roughly half of all the games Potter has been in charge of.
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Roman & Tuchel to Boehly & Potter. Has there ever been a bigger downgrade?
Potter probably won’t be there long term but Boehly heading the club has the potential to be a disaster.
Potter probably won’t be there long term but Boehly heading the club has the potential to be a disaster.
I mean with Potter and the new owners, only time will tell. Both are literally months into their new roles. In terms of spending over a prolonged period, almost any owner will be a downgrade from Abramovich. I don't buy the idea that we know enough about Boehly to confidently say he's going to be amazing or a disaster. But yeah, Tuchel to Potter is a downgrade, that much is clear.
Too early to tell but I can’t fathom anyone claiming Boehly hasn’t been a disaster so far. Amateur hour.
*that’s not to say he won’t improve
I think Roman was as good an owner any football fan could wish for. A multi billionaire who cares about the club and doesn’t want any profit. It doesn’t get better than that.
It’s still early days for owner and manager but as each day passes, the summer transfer window is looking worse by the day. Especially considering it was the most expensive ever yet they seem to look even worse now.
Yeah, it's why, from that perspective, almost any new owner would be a downgrade.
I think the jury is out on these new players. I have been very frustrated by them, but just like the manager and owners, they also need time to be judged fairly. It's the signings from a couple of years ago I am less willing to be patient with - Havertz, Ziyech etc.
I know who the youtuber was, and he falls into trap of jumping on trends just like the rest of them who rely on sensationalism to garner engagements and clicks. The idea that he went along to a training session where outsiders were invited to watch and he thinks he's gained enough insight to so confidently judge Potter's training methods with this much negativity is wild. Obviously you can take his word as gospel, if you want, but forgive me if I prefer to treat that observation with a bit more salt than that.
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I do not treat it as gospel, you can try to put down all you like to fit your agenda. As far as the youtuber goes, you know nothing because he is a rare breed that does not do this whatsoever, you chose to attack his opinion because it doesnt relay your personal opinion. It doesnt fit your agenda, this I understand. If you take off those blue tinted specs you will also realize that we have no clear identity and absolutely lack any shooting form. If you decide to burrow your head in the sand then thats on you mate. The pathetic selections and tactics by Potter are there to see. The pathetic work put in by majority of our team is there to see. Making changes during the game does not make Potter a tactical genius, it shows he lacks any kind of tactical nous to set up a winning team therefore he always has to backtrack.
Boehly has no idea what he is doing, the transfer fiasco is right under your nose to see. Giving Potter FIVE YEARS speaks itself on the disconnect and amateur level Boehly is in.
We spend 300m on 3rd and 4th option choices because Barcelona played Boehly like a fiddle. We are worse off then we started.
if you decide to just ignore everything, that is on you. As for today, I have finished the 3 daily posts I am allowed, so good day to you sir.
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A little bit of context should be considered for this 'most expensive window ever' stuff.
With Antonio Rüdiger and Andreas Christensen leaving on freebies, thanks to the previous ownersip regime's negligent contract management, replacing them was always going to cost money. Marcos Alonso had also been on borrowed time for a while and he's another player we were never going to get any money for despite needing to be replaced.
Of those players Rüdiger especially was always going to be very difficult to replace, given he had played at an almost world class level for the last 1,5 years prior to leaving. So far Koulibaly hasn't been close to the same level but for Fofana the jury is still completely out due to him getting injured so early on.
Chilwell again getting a long term injury just points out how desperately another adequate option on the left was needed. Cucurella hasn't been great so far but I still wouldn't trade him back for Alonso. I also think Cucurella can still become somewhat of a success when other areas, mainly midfield, are improved and the team regain a bit of structure to them. The money spent on him was definitely too much which we all knew already but there's still a good player in there regardless.
Sterling is another one who hasn't been all that good but then again he's previously shown he's got what it takes to play in a well functioning top team so I wouldn't give up on him yet either. It's clear he's not someone who will raise the team's level by himself but if he's complemented by other top class players he can definitely be a useful asset.
Around £40M of the summer spend was also used on youngsters (Chukwuemeka, Casadei, Slonina, Hutchinson) with an eye to the future instead of even expecting them to have an immediate impact. Chukwuemeka has been used in the first team as a substitute a few times and he's shown some promise but at 18yo he was never going to be a first team regular straight away. Casadei and Hutchinson have been very, very good for the U21s. For these players we probably won't know for a while whether they're good enough for us or not but I would say if even one of them makes it to be a regular at the club then it will have been money well spent.
For all the money spent I would say only Auba (£10M), Koulibaly (£33M) and Sterling (£47M) were expected/needed to have an immediate impact but everyone else still has time on their side.
Is it not quite feasible to think Chelsea, an irrelevant club who were bought out by a Russian sugardaddy, are heading back to irrelevance now said sugardaddy has sold up?
Chelsea fans can convince themselves their a huge club now but they’re an oil club plain and simple. They can still have success short term but given the early signs I’d be very worried about the long term A LOT right now if I was a Chelsea fan (which I’m not as I’m not a racist yob who grew up on the shed end nor someone who started watching football post-2004).
Chelsea fans can convince themselves their a huge club now but they’re an oil club plain and simple. They can still have success short term but given the early signs I’d be very worried about the long term A LOT right now if I was a Chelsea fan (which I’m not as I’m not a racist yob who grew up on the shed end nor someone who started watching football post-2004).
Well Mr.Potter signed a five year contract with Chelsea, so the compensation will be massive if they sack him soon. They should at least give him one transfer window to get a team he wants. Could give a monkeys what they do although Potter seems a good man.
We were decent before 2004 to be fair. In answer to your question, highly unlikely
I think Boehly should help Potter by getting him a proper striker in January like lets say Ronaldo..
I agree they need a proper talent upfront, young, hungry, disciplined player that gives 100% to the team and spares no effort in tracking back and helping others, Ronaldo must be their man.
Question to resident Chelsea fans.
How do you see Tuchel's sacking now?
How do you see Tuchel's sacking now?
Wow, he's just 47.
I genuinely thought he's on the wrong side of 60.
I genuinely thought he's on the wrong side of 60.
I mean it's a bit of a provocative and cruel question right? Considering majority of them were not really happy to see Tuchel go and to think they'd change their opinion after Potter's shitshow...
I mean I didn't like it at the time, but if the stories if friction between him and the owners were true, then I understood. That has nothing to with Potter though, as I'm more than happy with him and see a good future with him as our manager. It is a divisive issues though, as lot of Chelsea fans don't rate Potter and want him out already.
Needs time honestly.
They bought poorly in the summer and have to give him the players he wants.
They bought poorly in the summer and have to give him the players he wants.