I distinctly remember two of my Everton supporting mates wanting Moyes out before United came calling
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I distinctly remember two of my Everton supporting mates wanting Moyes out before United came calling
You think Chelsea will have 4 managers this season?
Nothing is impossible
I actually do. I think a bad start after the WC sees Potter gone in January. His replacement won’t fix this broken squad so it’ll be a panic sacking to give yourselves one last chance of top 4 after that. I wouldn’t even blame the owner despite the optics, too many of your attackers simply want to leave, Auba isn’t good enough and Reece is injury prone. We should have sacked Ragnick last season long before the seasons end but we seemed to accept finishing outside the top 4 for some reason. It’s very similar.
If there was a market for who would be Chelsea manager for their last league game I would put a tidy sum on John Terry
Edit could be as simple as sack Potter, temp manager for a few weeks until replacement is found. That’s still 4
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Unless bohley is an absolute imbecile of the higher order he won't get the sack, it just won't make sense .
He sacked Tuchel a couple of weeks after letting him spend 250m. So don't think you can rule anything out
We know nothing about these owners apart from their work in American sports. All we can do hope that they stick to their word and give him time. If instant results was the mandate, there are other managers they could have gone for that would provided it better than Potter.
Ramblings of a mad man this, but I admire your commitment to these doomsday scenarios you’re constantly predicting.
As nonsensical as that move was i could somehow retroactively justify it but to sack the management you've appoint yourself without even giving him time is utter idiocy.
Potter wasn't brought in to get immediate results like Tuchel (I hope). He's just not that type of a manager. He was brought in to build a team and style of play over several seasons like he's done in the past. It'll be really odd if he gets sacked for getting a few bad results or missing out on top 4. He didn't spend any of that money. Their team is in disarray and the signings are dubious quality IMHO. None of this is Potter's fault.
Either all that, or Boehly is a Woodward level idiot.
Either all that, or Boehly is a Woodward level idiot.
Potter won't be sacked imo. Can't after this crazy schedule and all the injuries. He's done well in the CL even if poor in the league.
I reckon we'll move to a back 4 from post world cup plus Kepa back. Chilly, Trev, Fofana and James. Silva and Azpi can't play in a 4 these days. Got to move past the 5.
With an extra goal scorer in the squad, probably Nkunku we'll be back.
I reckon we'll move to a back 4 from post world cup plus Kepa back. Chilly, Trev, Fofana and James. Silva and Azpi can't play in a 4 these days. Got to move past the 5.
With an extra goal scorer in the squad, probably Nkunku we'll be back.
3 goals for Sterling, 3 goals for Havertz and 2 goals for Mount in the league is very poor.
I’d like to know what scenario I’ve predicted for Chelsea to be so wrong? I literally argued with Chelsea fans about Tuchel on here and got the same responses. I argued against your new owner and his transfer splurges and hap hazard recruitment policy against Chelsea fans yet here we are. I argued against Potter on here when he was appointed yet here we are. I was here arguing against that your league results would even out and you weren’t playing like a top 4 team yet here we are.
let’s just say your 2022 hasn’t been great. If anything i undershot my predictions.
How well would Chelsea do in the championship?
If we're going to go down this route you also treated me like a mad man for saying James was better than Wan Bissaka.
At the time Id say that was an argument but AWB now is as if James lost his ball playing ability. Just lost everything that made him a PL player.
If we’re going down that route even further there’s a few combined starting 11s that could be revisited or is it still Pulisic > Rashford!
I actually do think when Kante, Fofana, and James return, aswell as Chilly, we will go up a level or 2. Plus a big January is likely incoming [with a plan i hope]. I'd love us to bring the Nkunku deal forward to Jan
Difference is, I'm not trying to pass myself off as some hindsight genius, I get some things wrong and some right (and lets be honest that one is the definition of a default win).
I'm not even trying to take credit for my James prediction, it was so obvious how good he was going to be when he was in the youth teams (if anything he's underperforming compared to just how good he can be) hence why I stuck my neck out so high for him in his early days.
The problem is not Potter. And was not Tuchel. The problem is a disastrous transfer market.
Sterling: past his prime.
Cucurella: not better than Chilwell.
Koulibaly: 31 years old.
Aubameyang: 33 years old.
All for crazy money.
Chelsea lacks creativity in the final third. And quality in midfield. Plus a sub for Reece James.
Boehly waste 200m and the team is not better than last year. Crazy.
Sterling: past his prime.
Cucurella: not better than Chilwell.
Koulibaly: 31 years old.
Aubameyang: 33 years old.
All for crazy money.
Chelsea lacks creativity in the final third. And quality in midfield. Plus a sub for Reece James.
Boehly waste 200m and the team is not better than last year. Crazy.
Taking victory laps after a month
Fair play still being able to use the laughing emoji after watching that depressing boring football.
Why , exactly, do we deserve it?
you seem a little angry.
Which makes sense: from what I hear there is a gaping hole in the roof of an area of your stadium, and the epic Glazers are want to spend the money to update the stadium. We just put in the first 850 million dollar payment on the upgrades to ours.
Ten Hag is not exactly lighting it up, so let’s get that out of the way first. Second, Ten Hag chose his players and had a full pre season with the team. You are at basically full health, and this is the max gear you go at. How much MORE money do you think the Glazers will part with? You guys thought the fix was giving Sir Alex more “input”?
Our new ownership was in a position where they felt pressure to give Tuchel a chance to keep the job and asked him point blank of he wanted total control over everything. Tuchel said yes, then proceeded to completely screw us over. Barely engaging in the transfer market, doing little more than replying with thumbs up or thumbs down text responses.
When asked if the midfield should be addressed, he was adamant it was fine. First huge mistake.
He wanted Aubamayang as the answer at striker, because Tuchel is famous for not considering anything past the next season. Second huge mistake.
Tuchel then threw a huge fit when we were going to let Azpi move on and get a competitor for Reece at RB.
That was massive, season affecting mistake number 3.
Fofana was playing well prior to injury.
Koulibaliy suffers from the same problem Cucurella, Silva, and the rest of our defense se does: Jorgihno can not play the role of shielding mid in the PL. Tuchel gambled everything on Kante returning.
Tuchel was given near complete control of all that windows money, and he muffed it.
Now Potter is in, and we have brought in all the people he wanted to help with recruitment. We brought in Shields and the others as well - all with excellent reputations. We are planning to fox some of those midfield issues and the RB issue in January with up to 3 purchases.
We will spend just as much as much, if not more, next Summer. And there will be a coordinated effort of highly regarded football people in addition to an engaged manager ready to guide that spending.
That isnt a rose tint. It is the actuality of what is going to happen.
Chelsea fans just need to learn patience. They have become almost addicted to Romans knee-jerk approach to running things.
That sometimes worked in short term bursts, but it hurt in the long term structure of the squad.
Potter is a good coach. He just needs to be properly empowered. The fact that so many of you think that is an over-the-top take is just weird.
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And in that post you have both answered the reason why they felt they couldn’t trust Tuchel, and why Potter needs time.
Nkunku is almost finished under pre contract, Broja can be good with better support, and we are looking at additional options.
It’s funny you mention creativity, because one of our most difficult issues is also one of our touchiest: where does Mason fit?
He isn’t creative enough to be our 10. He’s awful as a winger and can’t apply pressure running at defenders, and he needs a VERY physical presence behind him if you plan on him being your 8.
They are still trying to pull Arsen out of Russia, but that poor kid may be stuck for awhile.
But aside from him as a prospect do they realize they need a creative force in midfield still? Or are they under the impression Mount can be that guy?
It is a major question moving forward.
Are we? Sancho, Antony and Martial have been out for differing periods leading to an 18 year old having to start games. Varane is also out, he’s just a multiple Champions League and World Cup winning centre back. I suppose three or four key players is nothing really.
First of all: Tuchel didn't want to handle transfers himself to begin with. The first nonsense Todd did was not installing a competent person to get this transfer business sorted with TT but rather doing it himself - somebody with no idea about the football business - and that's how those transfers look in retrospect. Azpi got extended once Todd failed with Kounde and Raphinha without a viable alternative and way before Fofana got signed. The mess to sort out almost the complete defense is in no way on Tuchel so to expect him to do wonders before solving thos issues is plain dumb. Just as dumb as spending a fortune to immediately sack the very manager "that Todd wanted to back with those signings" afterwards. As in a couple of days later. When the midfield was of no concern why was FdJ chased half the window?
Auba was signed because Todd couldn't realize a Leao transfer.
And on and on it goes.
I read somewhere here that you have some insight into that Clearlake business? Maybe you should step back a bit and look from a different angle. So far it looks and smells like a mess. And despite being a good talent as a manage I fail to see why a gigantic rebuild with lots of risks involved should be handed to somebody like Potter.
Even if Potter is sacked today, your post is still wrong (not sure what you post was, assuming it's to downplay his ability/achievement).
absolutely cringing reading that guys shit, respect the effort to paint the “woe is us but world domination is definitely right around the corner” though
Weird that Chelsea, of all clubs, have decided that their future lies with a manager who not long ago was managing in Sweden, hasn’t won anything at top flight, or even come close.
This is the one and only club I’d say would not give a manager a platform to learn on the job and make mistakes. He should have held out for a Tottenham or Newcastle, both of which will be available in the next 18 months.
This is the one and only club I’d say would not give a manager a platform to learn on the job and make mistakes. He should have held out for a Tottenham or Newcastle, both of which will be available in the next 18 months.
Newcastle going to sack Howe for at worst qualifying for europa?!
They’ll qualify for Europa then next season then it will become apparent Howe isn’t up for a top 4 fight and they’ll let him when expectation changes
Could happen but think Saudis have shown they've actually got the brains to run a premier league club based on first 12 months and Howe has certainly exceeded expectations based on what he inherited 12 months ago.
They certainly won't be going for Potter though.
He'll have to rebuild at Everton if they're a premier league club still. Actually Leicester post Rodgers is probably the best realistic current fit for him in premier league. West Ham would probably be logical aswell at some point in next five years.
I think Potter has shit the bed on his career unfortunately. He needed a move to a team that hasn’t qualified for CL for the last few years but wants it. Like a type of situation Spurs or Arsenal could find themselves in, then the expectation is try to get top 4 and it’s a bonus if you do, like what Pochettino did at Spurs. He has no experience at this level and he’s not going to get the opportunity to learn because failure won’t be tolerated.
In regards to Newcastle, they’ll go the route City went when they sacked Hughes, Sven, Pellegrini etc. As soon as a better manager comes available they’ll bring them in and pull the plug on Howe, then the next bloke, then the next bloke.
Not even remotely close to being true.
Stop quoting me if you didn’t read the post then. Enough time wasters on the internet without blindly quoting.
You are only as good as your final game. Potter has lost 3 in a row.
It’s worse then that, it’s no wins in 5 league games and that takes us back to keeper heroics after getting outplayed by Villa then relying on absolutely dodgy refs decisions v Palace and West Ham to sneak wins.
We are sitting here months after he’s joined and Wolves at home is the only league game you can point to and say they deserved to win that
Yeah that's a pile of shit. Maybe Pep is shit too as he lost his final game.
No, you are wrong: Jacobs, Law, and everyone seriously associated with Chelsea said he ABSOLUTELY accepted when they approached and asked him if he wanted to direct transfers.
What he absolutely DIDNT want was to do any of the work associated with it. He would delegate even as answering the owners to random assistants.
This is all well documented.
Also, they still want Leao AND Nkunku. You are assuming Auba meant no Leao. They couldn’t get a deal across for Leao. The two situations are unrelated. This was also pretty well covered.
Ok, tell me how your injury issues compare to ours. Varane is the only one I see as “injured” for any length of time.
See this reads like a hope chest wish list of things opponent clubs not backed by massive entities WISH would happen… not necessarily a likely insight into what actually will happen.
And Ornstein said the opposite. I read a lot of bs (=lies) when Tuchel got sacked from Dortmund (or PSG) from journos close to those clubs that got debunked much later, also because Thomas keeps his mouth shut, that I would always take those "close" mouthpieces of a club with a large grain of salt. Since you insist that Thomas was totally content with the midfield and also in total control over the transfers: why was FdJ seriously chased for such a long time? Why sign Zakarias last minute after failing to sign all those other ones? Was Gordon or Raphinha (or Koundé) eventually thought out to be a potential RWB cover for James?
I am assuming: no Leao = Auba as a stop gap. And for the record, just because Potter seemingly has no clue how to set up shop to make players eventually look a wee bit better than they actually are doesn't mean that others wouldn't find a way to include Auba for example. Or Sterling. Or Cucurella (ouch) or many of the others that are underperforming.
If Potter loses a couple more of his next games he will likely face the harsh reality of the football business - let's hope Todd's brilliant long term strategy isn't centered around a total newcomer regarding elite clubs.
Kante will probably leave end of the season. Silva, Azpi and Jorginho also leave in the next year or two.
Potter will have build a new team pretty much 2nd half of this season and next.