I like him too early to early to judge for the moment.
Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job
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Couldn't be worse really, Newcastle away.
Bohley will be nipping up a bit if they lose that before the WC for sure.
He would have been better off sticking with Brighton. If there's a lesson here it's to not join a big club in transition without getting to spend big bucks on your own signings immediately. Imagine where EtH would be if we hadn't backed him (with players that he wanted) in the summer.
He'll be judged on a terribly wasteful transfer window that he had nowt to do with.
He'll be judged on a terribly wasteful transfer window that he had nowt to do with.
Oh yeah.If they lose that it’s 3 PL losses in a row… with crap performances and daft team selections and arrangements.
On a 5 year contract… it’s giving me strong Moyes vibes.
If they lose that it’s 3 PL losses in a row… with crap performances and daft team selections and arrangements.
On a 5 year contract… it’s giving me strong Moyes vibes.
They've also got City away in the EFL on Wednesday...
Some nonsense here. We were dreadful under Tuchel this season. The Spurs home game our only decent performance. Got lucky with VAR and other to even have the points we did when he left.
Not that we've been great under Potter. Given our injuries, it's not easy to see a much better way we setup today. Wing backs are injured, can put forwards there. Might go like Salzburg or thrashed like against Brighton.
We'll get our players back after WC hopefully and still have a decent shot at 4th.
Not that we've been great under Potter. Given our injuries, it's not easy to see a much better way we setup today. Wing backs are injured, can put forwards there. Might go like Salzburg or thrashed like against Brighton.
We'll get our players back after WC hopefully and still have a decent shot at 4th.
Tuchel is a way better manager than Potter.
Your new owner clearly wanted his own man and Tuchel obviously knew this as well.
It’s irrelevant who you think is better. We were shit from Xmas to his sacking. How many managers last 6-8 months with shit football and shit results? He has plenty of time and we never looked like turning it around. On top of that he began falling out with the players. His position became untenable. If you were shocked by his sacking then you simply bought into the fictitious narrative the media presented.
Potter walked in to a club with dreadful form, a patched squad and a boardroom still putting pieces into place. There was never going to be instant success. We started the summer very much behind everyone else in part down to politics and we remain behind other teams. It’s going to be a few years before we are settled. That being said targeting the best young Players in the World and willing to outbid anyone on them shows that we are serious about the future.
How many managers are expected to cope with unprecedented sanctions never before seen whilst being thrust into the limelight by a cowardly board who refused to say anything publicly? Tuchel was forced to more or less be the press secretary for the club whilst trying to manage an unbalanced and injury-stricken squad. He spoke openly about how much he appreciated working within a functional hierarchy at Chelsea and how much distaste he has for the transfer market - and the new owner sacked him because he wanted to focus on coaching.
I could give a feck about most of these players anyways. Tuchel was right to write half of them off.
Nothing will ever compare to selling KdB in terms of abject idiocy but firing Tuchel is probably the second stupidest thing Chelsea has done in the last 25 years.
Not forcing Jamal Musiala to sign a contract extension will be up there.
Salah was a lot more defensible at the time - he hadn't lit the world on fire for Fiorentina. In contrast, KdB absolutely tore up the Bundesliga for Bremen, but Mourinho decided to sell him based on one FA Cup game and then lied about him underperforming in training to justify it. We got something like £15m when he had 3.5 years left on his deal. It was mind-bogglingly stupid in the moment and it's turned into the absolute worst case scenario. Tuchel's sacking seems to be in the same vein. Madness and stupidity.
Also a good shout potentially.
Where was bloody Kovacic on 37 mins today
Salah and De Bruyne were not ready for a move to our club. Both gave poor performances and had they stayed they would have likely not developed to the level they are at. That is the truth, there’s no hindsight. Both were garbage, I love De Bruyne as a player but he couldn’t even perform in the cup against lesser teams when he was given a chance. Its easy to say the club fecked up when you ignore the facts.
Again like De Bruyne, I love Tuchel but his firing was deserved based on his performance. I’m not going to deny the situation. It sucked and not many, if anyone could have succeeded but he began this season the same way. There was no improvement and between him and Todd our squad is worse. He was involved in transfers. Player relations also broke down. That’s at least 3 red flags.
The club needs patience and it needs support. If people want to cry because we are going to be shit this season they can go support another blue team.
De Bruyne was very very very obviously ready to anyone with half a brain who watched even a few minutes of German football; he literally made the team of the season in the Bundesliga for Werder Bremen during his initial loan aged 22/23. Mourinho's stubbornness did for him. It was indefensibly fecking stupid at the time and even more so in hindsight. He got ONE chance in the cup and that's what Mourinho cited as the reason to get rid of him.
How on earth can you try to preach patience whilst at the same time justify selling KdB? Even if you are downplaying the results at the tail end of last season given the sanctions, you think 10 odd matches this year justifies sacking the guy who won us our second CL and reached literally every single cup final that we were involved in minus a valiant effort against Real Madrid last year?
Do you know who the club should have been patient with? Thomas fecking Tuchel, the smartest manager we've ever been lucky enough to have and the one with the best connection with the fans post-Mourinho mark 1. Sacking him was beyond idiotic at the time and it will only look worse with time - just like the KdB deal.
Quiet down with your nonsense post. TT is one of the best managers in the world, Potter is clearly a journeyman on the same level as Lampard. He is tactically inept and is unable to set up a starting lineup, leaving him backtracking and making tactical changes because of how abysmal his lineups are. He is on the same level as Andre Villas-Boas, period.
I cant be angry at Potter, our clueless owner gave him a fat 5 year contract. A owner who lacks any decency. After all TT did for Chelsea, Boehly gave him no chance and went for his head at the first opportunity. As an American, I will openly say that Boehly is not fit to lead Chelsea.
This will end in the exact same way when Moyes took over Manchester United. A man not fit enough to fill the boots of Alex Ferguson.
The problem was not Tuchel; the problem is we have overhyped players who are not good enough. We spend 300m to fall out of the top FOUR. Let that sink in. The whole transfer fiasco should be enough to see the direction with Boehly. Spend tons of money for awful players in Cucurella, a 33 year old Aubameyang, past his best Koulibaly, inconsistent Sterling and injury prone Fofana. How do these transfers make any sense for the prices paid? They were 4th, 5th choice after Boehly got skinned by Barcelona. Youre paying 70m for a 5th choice CB. Shocking.
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Sack watch or war chest in January?
Looking at Tuchel's spending in summer, these things aren't mutually exclusive for Chelsea
They spent close to a quarter of a billion in the summer.
I think Todd’s probably regretting pulling the trigger on Tuchel.
Potter has spent zero. He's not getting sacked yet.
Exactly. Spend first sack afterwards for sh!ts and giggles.
Weird thing about Chelsea is I’m convinced they’re pretty meh and may not finish in the top 4 but I still think they could go very far in the Champions League.
Clueless. Adds nothing to the team. Might as well bring Lampard back at this point if we are allowing a fairly new manager learn his ropes here.
They’ll win it with a random player like Ruben Loftus-Cheek scoring the winner, with Potter sacked 5 games into the 2023-24 season after Chelsea only one game.
He’s been brought in to work with this expensive squad, there is no rebuild needed. It’s either work with this or he’s gone
Sacking Tuchel was stupid but sacking Potter in the same season would be even more foolish
Quoting you here so I can remind myself to come back to this post at the end of the season.
Your transfer dealings have made United's board look competent. Shocked at what you did with Lukaku.
I really don't think Potter should be judged at the moment, but even he turns out to be good manager, you don't sack Tuchel so easily for him. Really crazy decision, and seems to be growing only crazier in hindsight.
TT is the person who told the team. Midfield didn’t need addressing. TT is the one who said we didnt by t need an additional right back and was desperate to keep Azpi. TT is the one who convinced them Aubamayang could be a solid, two year solution. TT was primarily responsible for our absolute need to force finding a spot in the lineup for Kai.
TT is an excellent tournament manager; maybe the best in the world, but he has a record of leaving clubs in shambles, and not just in the locker rooms. People can only hack being around him for so long, and he makes horrible decisions for good one.
This year is the time to show that the ownership group means what it says, because Potter is the opposite of that. He is a builder, not just of rosters, but also cultures.
Our movement was good to ought. Our pace in build up is improving. If we had even slightly better finishing against a goalie having an immortal night we might have pulled a result… against a lineup MUCH better than ours. City have had years and years to build the vast structure and team they have now. We are trying to build something similar, are willing to spend as much, or more, to get it done ….and we are only in the first 6 months of the project still.
And while we are doing that building, we don’t have a neurotic man child who could try to intentionally burn everything around him down at any given moment.
Instead we have the patient and creative builder.
For decades Almost now Chelsea has lived by the philosophy of splashing a fresh coat of paint on each year and trying to will themselves across the line in first, no matter what. All the while the carcass below the paint layers was rusting to oblivion. And ever now and then it worked for us.
But I’m thankful for the patient builder. I’m thankful for what we are trying to create, and I think I will appreciate whatever successes we have more.
Tuchel really should be a national coach team. I bet, given two years, that he could bring a major trophy to England with even a little injury luck. Tournaments like that ARE his thing. I wish him luck. But I’m glad he’s not Chelsea coach.
That was all Roman and his ego. He offered the full buyout and more for Haaland, and Haaland himself said “no”. Just a week and a half later Roman went and paid for the most expensive striker he could find to get that story out of the paper.
That was how our front office WAS run. The new group had so much money that when they factor all the analytics, including ok by negative image issues, likelihood of poor production, harmful locker room influence, predictive models of his weight issues… it is WORTH a ton of money to simply rid of him.
Worth noting that Marina won front office executive of the year in the year in which you are making comparison, after the recent CL trophy … which we have.
But our new model and structure will be light years ahead of what the Glazers have in place. You guys just voted to give “more” say to Sir Alex… and half the people were like “he had actual say?” You guys have players that are representative of different factions on purpose …. Ten Hag can overcome a lot, but the Glazers need to go, and that whole situation needs fixing.
Well since he wasn’t sacked for football reasons and it sounds like it was a personality clash, I’m thinking it was never going to work with Tuchel and the new owners. Would rather they nipped it in the bud than let it fester and for it to be a bigger problem later.
Wait, did that really happen?
Yeah I would like to see Tuchel get England job
Probably, and as current European Champions it lends even more weight to Haaland and Raiola already having a deal agreed a long time ago with City, a deal even Roman couldn’t compete with.
We’ll find out in a leak 5 years down the line that Haaland’s agent fee was the biggest in history, as was his own signing on fee and his offshore wage with make peoples eyes water.
Will thats what I think too, but the new owner made such a balls up of the transfer window and then sacking tuchel, he might be daft enough to go raid more players of Brighton.
Agreed. I can't see Chelsea going down this road in the same season. But if they're off to a wobbly start in next season, Potter will be taken to the shed end for a tar and feather job.