Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job

cyberman said:
Any danger of not getting CL and he’s gone before the end of the season. Not saying it’s right but they’re already buying players for next summer so no CL would be disastrous for all involved. Still think they will make it since I don’t rate Spurs or Liverpool highly
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It depends - Nkunku is absolutely class and would be an excellent signing for Chelsea if they can conclude it.

However, what I wonder is if he'll have second thoughts and be able to go elsewhere if Chelsea don't qualify for CL next season? If they can end up signing him regardless then missing out might not be a disaster for just 1 season. But if they then appear at risk of not making it the season after then it will be a big concern.

That said, regardless of what transfer business they're able to do in the summer, if Potter fails to get CL for next season then they might give him the benefit of the doubt for one summer pre-season, but the pressure will be on him. If they then started the next season not in great form then it'll be curtains.

From what I've seen of them so far since Potter has taken over, I think it's more likely their trajectory would be down under him and he's fired before his contract is out. There have just been so many bizarre decisions. He's been fortunate that they're in a fairly weak CL group.
 
Dancfc said:
I swear everytime we beat a lesser side with a late goal it's assumed we we're outplayed and got lucky when 9 times out of 10 it couldn't be further from the truth.
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yeh and everytime we lose we're back to pre roman chelsea. Its quite amusing seeing the excitement when we lose....forgetting their new manager also got beat by brighton and tonked by brentford. It happens ...
 
Dancfc said:
5 in 10 actually.
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I didnt realise we were putting a timelimit on Chelsea's years of being dogshit until they crippled themselves so badly to get those 4/5 trophies they had to be bought out like an actual war criminal. Hollow success for decades.
 
FujiVice said:
I didnt realise we were putting a timelimit on Chelsea's years of being dogshit until they crippled themselves so badly to get those 4/5 trophies they had to be bought out like an actual war criminal. Hollow success for decades.
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:lol:
 
I haven't been convinced about Chelsea under Potter and yesterday's defeat was definitely coming, 3 interesting games for Chelsea to navigate before the WC, Arsenal next, then City in the cup and then Newcastle. More than possible that Chelsea don't win any of them
 
ZolaWasMagic said:
yeh and everytime we lose we're back to pre roman chelsea. Its quite amusing seeing the excitement when we lose....forgetting their new manager also got beat by brighton and tonked by brentford. It happens ...
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You’re getting sensitive, forgetting you’re on an United forum.

By the look of it, your new owner doesn’t look very competent. You spend a tone of money this summer without making your team better. We know a bit about bad owners and CEO, believe me.

It’s quite legit to be suscpicious about your new direction with an untested owner who controls everything right now and a newbie of a manager at this level. Could be an explosive cocktail.
 
charlenefan said:
I haven't been convinced about Chelsea under Potter and yesterday's defeat was definitely coming, 3 interesting games for Chelsea to navigate before the WC, Arsenal next, then City in the cup and then Newcastle. More than possible that Chelsea don't win any of them
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Each team has a 33% chance of a result before a ball has been kicked. So it’s more than possible for any team in any fixture. What is this.

it’s a bit early for banter. There’s no guarantee the baldy man will be successful either if you want to go into probability.
 
SirReginald said:
Each team has a 33% chance of a result before a ball has been kicked. So it’s more than possible for any team in any fixture. What is this.

it’s a bit early for banter. There’s no guarantee the baldy man will be successful either if you want to go into probability.
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See you Chelsea lot are still as sensitive as ever:lol::lol::lol:
 
SirReginald said:
Each team has a 33% chance of a result before a ball has been kicked. So it’s more than possible for any team in any fixture. What is this.

it’s a bit early for banter. There’s no guarantee the baldy man will be successful either if you want to go into probability.
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Is it only too early for banter when Chelsea are on the receiving end? Sounds legit. :lol:
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
I accept your very obviously completely sincere apology for your transgressions.

(Hope all is well with you and yours mate; all the best from here in Portugal!)
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I’m good thank you although disappointingly haven’t seen you around much lately?

Are you looking forward to the WC and Christmas?

By the way I think if you back Potter he will come good. Very early days. Plenty of work to be done with the squad though and still don’t think Boehly has helped in how he managed Tuchel and the summer window (Woodward vibes) but if he lets the football people take centre stage you’ll be okay.
 
TheReligion said:
I’m good thank you although disappointingly haven’t seen you around much lately?

Are you looking forward to the WC and Christmas?

By the way I think if you back Potter he will come good. Very early days. Plenty of work to be done with the squad though and still don’t think Boehly has helped in how he managed Tuchel and the summer window (Woodward vibes) but if he lets the football people take centre stage you’ll be okay.
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Yeah have actually been traveling a bit and then recently my dad and brother were in town so we were out on the golf course as much as possible - less time on the Caf (for better or worse!)

I'm a bit ambivalent about the WC to be honest - can't see Portugal doing too well and we're actually planning to travel back to visit my parents during the tournament. Christmas will be exciting though as my brother in law and his wife just had their second kid and we look forward to hosting :)

Agreed re: Potter. By all accounts Boehly sacked Tuchel because the latter wasn't keen on the long-term vision - would suspect Potter will have a decent bit of slack. Especially considering our injuries and the lack of training time. That said, I could be completely wrong as I have been many times before - literally about our last manager :lol: :mad:
 
Dancfc said:
So basically, still more succesful than post Fergie United.
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I don’t know why you felt the need to bring Manchester United into the discussion when I was simply talking about Chelsea?

And besides, regardless of what we have or haven’t won since 2013 it doesn’t change the fact that current Chelsea are average, with an unproven manager and the Roman days are finally over.

When you owe every success to a Russian gangster and then he is forced to sell, you can’t expect opposition fans to not enjoy it. Especially Man Utd fans on a Man Utd supporter’s forum.
 
I’m loving my life said:
Let’s hope so.

Couldn’t happen to a more appropriate club. Administration and extinction is too good for them given their impact on English football.
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You say that like their impact was negative. Prior to the Chelsea takeover this was a two horse league, it wasn't the prime destination for all the best players and coaches. Chelsea changed that, their money attracted players to the league, managers to the league, that in turn attracted more investment in the league, to the point where most clubs are well off financially and have players of the stature that only top clubs would have had two decades ago. You may not be in favor of foreign ownership, but if that didn't exist would you be happy with England being a second or third tier league like France or Portugal?
 
Mr. Robot said:
I don’t know why you felt the need to bring Manchester United into the discussion when I was simply talking about Chelsea?

And besides, regardless of what we have or haven’t won since 2013 it doesn’t change the fact that current Chelsea are average, with an unproven manager and the Roman days are finally over.

When you owe every success to a Russian gangster and then he is forced to sell, you can’t expect opposition fans to not enjoy it. Especially Man Utd fans on a Man Utd supporter’s forum.
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They are. But thankfully we got bought by a good group. Very wealthy with willing to invest heavy, if not more than Roman era. Will we be as successful, impossible to say.
 
ZolaWasMagic said:
They are. But thankfully we got bought by a good group. Very wealthy with willing to invest heavy, if not more than Roman era. Will we be as successful, impossible to say.
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I actually hope you remain competitive as it’s interesting for the league. Otherwise we just become a Bundesliga.

I don’t think you’ll ever have the success you had under Roman again in such a concentrated period of time. But like you say, no-one can predict what exactly will happen.
 
Strootman's Finger said:
You say that like their impact was negative. Prior to the Chelsea takeover this was a two horse league, it wasn't the prime destination for all the best players and coaches. Chelsea changed that, their money attracted players to the league, managers to the league, that in turn attracted more investment in the league, to the point where most clubs are well off financially and have players of the stature that only top clubs would have had two decades ago. You may not be in favor of foreign ownership, but if that didn't exist would you be happy with England being a second or third tier league like France or Portugal?
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It’s just ignorance. Money may have ruined the lower leagues but the Premier League has more than profited off the result. Middling league teams now are just as competitive as your Chelsea’s, Liverpools and Spurs of the very early naughties and don’t even have to financially ruin themselves to do so like Leeds.
Mr. Robot said:
I actually hope you remain competitive as it’s interesting for the league. Otherwise we just become a Bundesliga.

I don’t think you’ll ever have the success you had under Roman again in such a concentrated period of time. But like you say, no-one can predict what exactly will happen.
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Honestly I don’t think any team is going to dominate once City’s period of success ends. There’s too many teams and only a small pool of truly elite players to choose from, many of which “dream” of Barcelona and Real.
 
SirReginald said:
Honestly I don’t think any team is going to dominate once City’s period of success ends. There’s too many teams and only a small pool of truly elite players to choose from, many of which “dream” of Barcelona and Real.
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I disagree, perhaps there will be wilderness period with some surprise wins here and there but a clear cut favorite will finally emerged, it always does.

It may be us if we get our shit back together, it might be you it might be arsenal or hell it might be Newcastle but they point is someone will come out on top.
 
Red the Bear said:
I disagree, perhaps there will be wilderness period with some surprise wins here and there but a clear cut favorite will finally emerged, it always does.

It may be us if we get our shit back together, it might be you it might be arsenal or hell it might be Newcastle but they point is someone will come out on top.
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League winners over the last decade:

12/13 - Manchester United
13/14 - Manchester City
14/15 - Chelsea
15/16 - Leicester
16/17 - Chelsea
17/18 - Manchester City
18/19 - Manchester City
19/20 - Liverpool
20/21 - Manchester City
21/22 - Manchester City

Once Pep goes that'll open it up. I agree with the knight. I don't think we'll see anyone dominate like Pep has, or United did under Ferguson.
 
Klopper76 said:
League winners over the last decade:

12/13 - Manchester United
13/14 - Manchester City
14/15 - Chelsea
15/16 - Leicester
16/17 - Chelsea
17/18 - Manchester City
18/19 - Manchester City
19/20 - Liverpool
20/21 - Manchester City
21/22 - Manchester City

Once Pep goes that'll open it up. I agree with the knight. I don't think we'll see anyone dominate like Pep has, or United did under Ferguson.
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I think City domination waning when Pep leaves is wishful thinking. The intensity he built at Barcelona took 7 years and gross mismanagement to wane off while Bayern have sweeped up since he left.

Mo doubt someone will quote me with "it's Bayern and the Bundi ofcourse they will dominate" but that's the thing, they've not dominated the way they have during and since Pep, ever, their record was 3 titles in a row and even that was only done twice.
 
Mr. Robot said:
I love Chelsea under Ted B. Reminds of me Chelsea before Roman.

Its all downhill from here.
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If I were a Chelsea fan I'd be worried about Boehly. From what we've seen and what I've heard he will feel he's more than qualified to make football decisions around recruitment, tactics etc. A lot of their transfer rumours make no sense, nor do the acquisitions so far.

It's giving me Woodward at Utd real life football manager vibes.
 
MUFC OK said:
If I were a Chelsea fan I'd be worried about Boehly. From what we've seen and what I've heard he will feel he's more than qualified to make football decisions around recruitment, tactics etc. A lot of their transfer rumours make no sense, nor do the acquisitions so far.

It's giving me Woodward at Utd real life football manager vibes.
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We lost 2 CBs, a left back, Werner and Lukaku.

We signed 2 CBs, a left back, Sterling and Auba.

Fair enough if you think Sterling or whoever is not good enough or that we paid too much but which ones "don't make sense"?
 
Not on Potter, but Chelseas transfer business over the last few years has been absolutely terrible!

Its genuinely very difficult to pick out one good bit of business over the last three transfer windows!
 
MegadrivePerson said:
Not on Potter, but Chelseas transfer business over the last few years has been absolutely terrible!

Its genuinely very difficult to pick out one good bit of business over the last three transfer windows!
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Last 3?

We didn't buy anyone in the winter 2021 window and bought only 1 player last summer so not really a lot to judge on.

This most recent window is too early to judge.
 
duffer said:
Last 3?

We didn't buy anyone in the winter 2021 window and bought only 1 player last summer so not really a lot to judge on.

This most recent window is too early to judge.
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I meant last three summer windows.

It might be too early to judge, but so far all players signed this summer look massively overpriced for average players!
 
duffer said:
We lost 2 CBs, a left back, Werner and Lukaku.

We signed 2 CBs, a left back, Sterling and Auba.

Fair enough if you think Sterling or whoever is not good enough or that we paid too much but which ones "don't make sense"?
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  • Auba makes little sense.
  • Cucurella at that price with Chilwell coming back (makes more sense now as he knows Potter's system).
  • Fofana for £70m the year after a very serious injury - subsequently almost immediately injured. I thought Colwill might get his breakthrough instead.
Personally thought you needed more of that investment in a midfielder and a (younger) forward - it was clear you couldn't rely on Kante to stay fit nor on RLC. To be honest, Caicedo would be a great deal for you right now.
 
MUFC OK said:
Personally thought you needed more of that investment in a midfielder and a (younger) forward - it was clear you couldn't rely on Kante to stay fit nor on RLC. To be honest, Caicedo would be a great deal for you right now.
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We had Gallagher coming back and also invested (relatively) big on Chukwuemeka. Also Broja for the "younger" forward.

Caicedo looks great but will cost us near 80 million.

Will be interesting on what Potter wants to do in January regarding transfers. The new owners don't seem stingy.
 
Havertz
Werner
Ziyech
Sarr
Chilwell
Silva
Mendy

Lukaku
Saul

Fofana
Sterling
Cucurella
Aubamayang
Koulibaly
Chukwuemeka
Zakaria

@MegadrivePerson

There’s the last three windows. I think it’s been very hit and miss yes. They’ve also spent huge amounts of money.

This window is too early to call yet in terms of quality but so far it’s looking like another big spend with mixed hit rate. Currently there’s question marks over all the signings but as I say it is early.

What the incoming transfers don’t highlight is how poor they’ve been with overall recruitment. Letting multiple youth players go who could have filled some of the spots they spent millions on in the market.

I think most Chelsea fans will agree things have not been as good for them in this department in recent years. Not sure why that is.
 
I'm actually angry they defended so shitty against Brighton. Why that never happens against us?

Thiago Silva was gifting goals
 
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