Well then he's fecked by default if you believe Sol Campbell.
Graham Potter appointed Chelsea manager
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Well then he's fecked by default if you believe Sol Campbell.
The thing is, much as people moan (usually English simpleton pundits) about English managers not getting a fair crack at managing a 'big team' the simple fact is none of them have, frankly, been good enough. Potter I think may just be the exception, at the present.
Now who was the last hyped up English manager ? Eddie Howe ,and he'll probably be getting his p45 soon if he doesn't turn it around in Geordie land.
Now who was the last hyped up English manager ? Eddie Howe ,and he'll probably be getting his p45 soon if he doesn't turn it around in Geordie land.
I really don't think character matters that much anymore.
Coaching success now is down to how well you can coach passing out from the back and a coherent press.
If you can do those 2 things you can go a long way in the game and Potter is coaching both of those exceptionally well with players that none of the big clubs are chasing other than Bissouma and Lamptey who haven't even been playing recently.
Whoever gets him is going to get a really top coach and I'd back him to be a success wherever he goes next.
Potter and Moyes couldn't be further apart in their ideals when it comes to implementing a style of play.
I can see one of the big teams going for Potter, if the plan is to follow a footballing blueprint.
His team play some real easy on the eye football, however do worry the step up to a bigger club would damage him.
It’d be interesting to see BHA with a couple of really good strikers.
Their players look average enough but they’re clicking fairly well as a unit.
On that Webster goal; I’d love to see us dominate at corners like that.
Their players look average enough but they’re clicking fairly well as a unit.
On that Webster goal; I’d love to see us dominate at corners like that.
Is he better than Rodgers at Swansea? And if so, why?
Potters ceiling is Spurs.
Why?
How do you come to that conclusion?
Can't wait for him to leave Brighton to be honest and as a supporter of their arch rivals, I think that says it all. He hasn't beaten Palace in his 6 games against us but in all bar one they gave us the absolute runaround and could have easily knocked 3 or 4 past us with a bit more composure. I think he's ready for a bigger job and not necessarily a PL job either, could see him taking a step to somewhere like Dortmund and giving Bayern a run for their money. I am 100% convinced that whoever gets him will be getting a top, top coach. I'm also unsure who Brighton might be able to attract that is anywhere near as good as he is, so fingers crossed.
I doubt he'd even come to United because he seems to be aware how the setup of a club has a big impact on the manager's ability to be successful. He apparently turned down Spurs and Everton because of this.
Great point, imagine Dortmund went in for him!
ha ha what a bizarre thought
People said that when he moved from Sweden to Championship and then from Swansea to Brighton.
If you follow Potter's career you'll see one thing he is exceptionally good at is man management. All his teams have been seen as really close groups where they all get on and play for each other. I don't want him to ever leave Brighton, but he will and it will be a big team and they will get one of the very best managers around today anywhere.
This is my big worry - he wont be with us for ever, Spurs made me nervous, it was clear he was never going to go to Everton given the issues and set up they have. I'm not sure he'd even go to United at the moment. Tony Bloom is obviously going nowhere, if we can keep Ashworth and Potter for another couple of seasons I'd be happy.
I really hope he can at least beat Palace before he does inevitably leave!
My only fear that our dressing room would stop listening to either once things get a tad bumpy. Neither have the seniority in football to put them back in their place.
He’s definitely the best British manager since Rodgers. Swansea finished 12th that season, with 47 goals for and 51 against. Brighton are on course for a similar-ish finish.
I think he put it so eloquently himself the other day when linked to Everton. «Not sexy enough» with that look and that name.
I think it is a type of «framing bias» based on a very quick and superficial analysis. It certainly has nothing to do with what he has done with Brighton. After ETH, he is probably the guy that would excite me the most.
I am not sure it is, we have a squad of big names players that seems fundamentally unable to dominate opponents in the vast majority of games.
David Moyes, Louis Van Gaal, Jose Mourinho and Ole Gunnar Solksjaer all failed to turn it around.
Mourinho and Van Gaal were perennial league winners at their other clubs, teams that didn't have close to the resources United had, and didn't come close to turning it around.
I am sure the size of the challenge at United has not gone unnoticed by other managers, many of whom would be forgiven for thinking the job was a poisoned chalice.
He’s progressive, his teams are settled and play for each other, he has an eye for a real bargain, he presses (in the Ragnick mould) and seems like a top bloke that the fans would warm too! In conclusion, we should sign him up ASAP
Considering the sheer amount of dross United fans have had to put up with over recent years, I would be more than happy to see Potter as United.
We need a complete system reboot and Potter would be a great place to start imo.
We need a complete system reboot and Potter would be a great place to start imo.
Agreed mate, he's a top coaching talent that i'd be very happy if we appointed.
Because back then, the competition was very different. Not a single team play the type of modern football we see Pep, Klopp, Conte and Tuchel implementing (in different manners). Pochettino was probably the first in the PL to do that.
Potter excel in a highly competitive environment. Mostly due to his teams being very, very well-organized both on and off the ball;
A) How they press,
B) How they transition when they win back the ball,
C) How they build from the back,
Neither have ever been the case for Rodgers.
utterly ridiculous
It's basically why Klopp turned us down. It's naive to believe that all managers are simply swayed by the name, history and money. Potter is by his own admission a guy who wants a project and to build something. If the structure isn't there behind the scenes to enable this then the job will become unattractive to some managers.
This is a good point and should be noted. The environment now is of a far higher quality with several of the best coaches in the world to contend with. And Potter is doing exceptionally well in such company, whilst maintaining a high level proactive play style against the best coaches in the world, with inferior tools at his disposal.
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I don't think it's crazy to think he'd turn us down. We're on manager 5 in 8 years if this one counts as not an interim and who knows what people in the game think of the environment. Pep called him the best England coach and City are smarter than us and him taking the job assuming Pep does step down after next year might already be in the works for all we know. And obviously Potter is willing to go abroad. But presumably he'd take the job because it's just so rare for that to happen, and finishing 4th for 2-3 seasons while he completely overhauls the football shouldn't cost him his job with the state we are in.
I hope we can get him, though. His ceiling seems high but his floor too, since you can see how much multiple Brighton players have improved under him or found success in new roles. They played lovely triangles today and were on top for the entire first 70 minutes. Chelsea's front 4 had so little of the ball. The Brighton players always made options off the ball for their teammates, and basically they had 2 genuine quality players on the pitch in the wingbacks, though Webster is quite solid generally and was brilliant so maybe that's harsh on him. I think Dunk gets a bit too much credit but his lack of pace creates problems at time and Webster not enough.
Completely agree. Rodgers has done a good job overall but it's been over a season now that Leicester have no real identity week to week on the pitch. Troubling.
Done a terrific job at Brighton, for sure. Only won 6 from 21 this season though, which isn't to say he's not overachieving with what he has but it's also not fabulous in terms of wins. Fewer than Villa. Same as Brentford.
They are a complete mess up front as soon as they draw level and often a mess at the back whenever they go ahead. Quite impressive how much they shit the bed as soon as they're not losing. World class while they're losing mind. Very odd team.
So Potter and Ten Hag are the flavors of the month. Good!
Looking at a team like Brighton with all respect and seeing them play such football is just a magnificent job. He will have a bright future. With better tools I can see him succeed very well at top level. For big clubs IMO he is a risk very well worth to take.
Which is why I think he'd have reservations about joining us too, unfortunately.
Agree with this.
I agree, same with ten Hag.
Knowing Ashworth is talking to Newcastle do you have any concern that he might take Potter with him if he goes? It's not an attractive job right now but if they stay up it could be a different ball game come the summer. Or do you think he's beyond that job now?
To be fair, Villa have a far superior team/squad on paper... Brighton are definitely closer to a Brentford then a Villa.
And on the other foot, Brighton have only lost 4 times this season,... 4th lowest in the league behind City/Pool/Chelsea.
He's easily the best coach in the Swedish league in the last 10-20 years.
The players will have played against his Brighton team numerous times and will know how difficult they were to play against.
He will have plenty of credit in the bank with the players because of that.
It's pretty obvious it's going to be ETH or Poch but Potter is someone Fletcher and our analysis department should be doing a deep dive and perhaps interview.