I think this is part of the "lure" from LIV. 54 holes instead of 72. Less work, more time to relocate between destinations, etc. less hassle for the players for more money.
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I think this is part of the "lure" from LIV. 54 holes instead of 72. Less work, more time to relocate between destinations, etc. less hassle for the players for more money.
Regarding your first point its incredibly opt - how many players have been asked about the Saudi regime? I suspect part of the difference is the expectation that golfers are generally better educated than footballers so are expected to have views on this stuff. Its probably also the case that the past 20 years have softened the impact of sportswashing in football. Its not right though, both should be subjected to the same scrutiny.
Your second point I also agree with. The PGA tour is just the same old stuff every week: cookie cutter target golf course + stroke play. Its been said for years it needs mixing up: more match play, more team events, different formats etc. The European tour is a bit better in that moving between countries you see more variety, the problem there is the quality is lower.
I'm assuming they didn't intend for the YouTube steam to go live a good 30 minutes before the broadcast officially started?
Unless they wanted people to see Arlo White and Co getting their make-up done, chatting amongst themselves, swearing and testing mics etc.
Unless they wanted people to see Arlo White and Co getting their make-up done, chatting amongst themselves, swearing and testing mics etc.
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I don't really agree re: Newcastle signings. Unless the player is joining on a free they have likely been sold by their current club to Newcastle. Sure, they have to agree to personal terms but the choice of club was not theirs and they are likely under pressure to agree to terms.
The golfers have actively chosen, of their own volition, to join the LIV Tour. They were not sold by and were not pressured by their current "club" to sign.
They are not the same and should not be considered so.
No sponsor invites is rather big…
The commentary is absolutely atrocious. one guy spoke about a countback and the other guy said "whats that then"
That abbreviated leaderboard is a horrible idea.
So I checked EPN, FoxSports, CBS Sports, and Sky Sports and not a single reference to the LIV tour (ie, leaderboard, players, etc.) other than the PGA announcement and a few explanatory pieces. If sponsors, broadcasters, and news media are not going to get on board this might not last long.
Sorry, but this is completely wrong. You cannot force a player to sign. If Newcastle offered PSG $1bn for Mbappe and PSG accepted Mbappe can just say no and the deal is dead. Every single player that has signed since the take-over has chosen to do so. Being "pressured" to is a crap excuse.
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A player, usually does not get to say "oi, club, sell me to this other club". Instead the selling club fields offers and accepts the one(s) that best meet their financial interest. If only Newcastle bids on a player, or if the selling club only accepts Newcastle's bid then the player literally has only 2 choices; a)refuse the move or b)sign for Newcastle. They player has far less say in this matter and refusing to move could affect them financially in a big way. This is drastically different than a golfer deciding to move of their own volition. If you think they are the same then I guess we can agree to disagree.
No way this is real…
e - DJ apparently got $125 million.
e - DJ apparently got $125 million.
For the same reason the daft cnuts thought offering Tiger money was a smart move. I guess it could be summed up as 'Norman'. Bloke has no fecking idea.
Not surprised to see the calibre of washed up PGA pros go to it but I'm disappointed with Sergio and one or two others.
I think the middle East money is tainting everything now and the greed just comes to the surface.
Next move PGA.
I think the middle East money is tainting everything now and the greed just comes to the surface.
Next move PGA.
Sorry, but this just isn't how it works, especially since Bosman where player power is significant (almost to a fault). If a club wants to move a player on and the player doesn't want to leave he just doesn't sign any deal. If a player wants to leave and the club doesn't want to let them then the player can run the contract down and get a tonne more money as a free agent. This is pretty rare in fairness as keeping a disinterested player is not great policy. So say a club is trying to sell a player for either reason and the they get one offer they're happy with, but its from Newcastle. The player can easily say "nope, not going to them", then the club can look at the next level of offers, or keep the player and they'll run the contract down.
To suggest that the top players commanding offers from Newcastle are poor innocent pawns with little to no choice in where they choose to sign and play is laughable, I'm sorry but it just is.
Let me try this one more time.
I am not saying they are being sold with no input and against their will, I am saying that there is not a direct equivalency between a golfer choosing to walk away from the PGA to LIV and a football player being sold to Newcastle. They are not the same thing.
You don't need to try one more time, I got your point the first and the second time, I just think you're wrong.
At the level we're talking about a golfer 100% can chose to play or not play on the LIV tour and a footballer at that level 100% choses whether to sign for Newcastle. Both have 100% agency over their career decisions.
But no contract is signed between a golf tour & a professional golfer. They are independent contractors who have the ultimate agency over their career decisions. Footballers don’t have quite the same individual, immediate power of movement, they only have it sporadically over their careers.
Its not a contract, but the membership signs you up to the rules of the tour, preventing playing on non-approved alternate tours, so they don't really have ultimate agency. Now they've chosen the LIV tour they are indedinitely suspended from the PGA tour, and I suspect all other tours will follow. Personally, I don't like that. I think its anti-competative cabal-like behaviour. Its not the playing on a different tour that's the issue, its playing directly for purely Saudi money that's the problem.
I'm not sure why making the decision a few times versus many times makes a big difference to the weight of the decision? If you're saying a player only moves a few times and if one of those times Newcastle is the only good option, I doubt that's true for the caliber of player they're making offers to.
It’s the immediacy with which a touring pro can make such a switch that’s the key difference. No footballer can make such a decision on the spot mid season to go play in another country without severe penalties. They are locked into their contract unlike golf pros.
On a lighter note, sponsors are starting to drop those that went to LIV. Rocket Mortgage just dumped meathead.
Westwood getting mocked on Twitter after posting this about the European Super League
Great being holier than though until the temptations land on your doorstep
Great being holier than though until the temptations land on your doorstep
I am very interested to see if LIV gets any air time on The Golf Channel now that coverage of the RBC just ended.
It wouldn’t even have highlights shown if Arnie was still alive.
Anybody taking Greg Norman as a friend is kidding themselves. The guy is fecking scum. He’s not trying to grow the game of golf, he’s trying to grow his hip pocket.OK I like Golf dont follow it avidly, but whaT IS the problem with this LIV Golf ?
Is it like the Packer thing with Cricket years ago
Why is the PGA so against it, I always thought Greg Norman was OK.
Is it like the Packer thing with Cricket years ago
Why is the PGA so against it, I always thought Greg Norman was OK.
Its generally either because:
- its literally just bankrolled by the Saudis. There's virtually no sponsorship or revenue, its purely money from the Saudi royal familty into the players pockets.
- Its abandoning the tours which are built on the 'pyramid' and giving guaranteed spots and cash to players basically just to turn up. In this sense its very European Super League
cheers I understand a bit more now.
So just pay to play, no play on merit ?
Well, they apparently offered Tiger $400 million to switch and did pay (alegedly) DJ $125 million, so its more like PAY to play.
As of now, no.
The coverage is absolutely atrocious. DJ had a long putt that even on tv you could see was an uphill double breaker, so one commentator said “this is going to be tough” and the other one asked why.
This will die out, slowly. The players are too in the zone, so fans can’t have a better time at a LIV event than any other. Way too many great players that are liked as individuals remaining loyal to the PGA.
This will die out, slowly. The players are too in the zone, so fans can’t have a better time at a LIV event than any other. Way too many great players that are liked as individuals remaining loyal to the PGA.
I am interested to see what happens with the breakaway players if/when the LIV tour fades away. If those guys are allowed back into the PGA tour it is a huge “feck you” to the guys who stayed loyal. Basically a guy like DJ would have been able to quit, make serious coin, and then come back. Meanwhile the loyal guys saved the PGA by their loyalty and get nothing. The only solution that works then is a lifetime ban.
They will 100% not allow them straight back on. They'll have to earn their way back on the PGA tour through the korn ferry I imagine. I would love to know the details of the contract too, whether or not the money was paid upfront or has a number of conditions, one being the measurable success of the league.
Don’t give me that bollocks about morals, the PGA Tour has never made an issue a holding events in countries with less than desirable regimes. This whole issue is all about power. Just as it was with darts and other sports which split. The players are more than entitled to choose where they play. The shame is that we as fans are the ones who are disadvantaged by a split. For that reason only I hope golf works it out and the players can remain on their regular tours.
Patrick Reed now confirmed.
They are amassing quite the amount of arseholes that LIV golf.
They are amassing quite the amount of arseholes that LIV golf.
I could see the LIV tour becoming a haven for MAGAs.
Schwartzel won, pocketed $4.75 million.
it looks a fairly poor format to me. The lower number of players also makes the possibility of fairly boring final days quite high, with the vast majority of players out of contention. Nothing particularly innovative so far.
And when taking world rankings into account, the Canadian Open is shitting all over the LIV inaugural event & that will probably continue.
My wife is beside herself right now watching Rory’s lead slip away
How is she now?
Great atmosphere, way better quality than anything on the other tour