The spending this summer was just stupid! clubs not backed by billionaire owners with bottomless pockets need to reign it in or forget the championship we are going to see premier league clubs going under before this pandemic and the global economic recession is done.
Glazers / Woodward out! (One down)
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So after a good CL result Woodward emerges. He knows when to pick his moments.
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It’s a board. There are staff, and owners.
Our leaders? Who the f are our leaders?
It’s a board. There are staff, and owners.
That was bad word choice on my part; I was alluding to the board.
Bloodsucking vipers
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Bye Ole, but the real constant underpinning our chronic failure is the owners. Remember that when he inevitably gets sacked
Absolute joke, they've no idea how to run a football club.
Sancho and a CDM wins us that.
No it doesn't. You don't have to fantastic players if you have a coach that has a system. Did anyone think winaljdum and Henderson were great players before Klopp?
This is a case of a manager being shite added on to that is a board who make shit decisions and are leeches. Murphy's Law.
They need to feck off. Not for not spending more, but for being clueless on how to run the club. Every manager we have had so far should have been sacked way before it happened (Moyes in October, Van Gaal in December in his second season, Jose at the end of the second season, Ole when he finished his caretaker contract). And we still do not have a director of football or transfer committee.
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Tonights result is nothing to do with the Glazers, the squad we have should be winning comfortably. The coaching is a joke and the in game management was terrible.
Glazers out, of course. But not everything is on them. Ole is a terrible manager as well.
They're responsible for appointing him. We didn't even wait until the end of the season, just gave him a 5 year contract not long after the PSG game.
At the time we were all kidded to thinking it was the way to go. Hindsight is wonderful but it was 'that' stupid a decision at the time.
What is stupid now is waiting for things to get worse.
You really can't keep up the energy of shouting Glazers and Woodward out every time when we are playing so bad on the pitch.
But that's the point isn't it? Fans are reactionary, always have been always will be. A football club's board is supposed to be better than that, supposed to think long term.
Nope and thats our problem
Apart from Donny the signings are not even playing, what was even the point of this window ?
How can they even still be here ? They're hackfrauds of the highest order.
How can they even still be here ? They're hackfrauds of the highest order.
They probably dont give 2 f**ks about this club now that they signed and are leeching of Tom Brady and companys remaining years at the Tampa Bay Buccaneeers, a project that so far is successful. Doubt they cared much if it was a success as long as they made money on him through the marketing side of things, bit like Pogba here, we are now content with CL just for money, we will never challenge again for a title in a long long time while this is allowed to go on
I agree, all I'm saying is I don't think that was their worst decision given the circumstances. If you remember the alternative was who? People said Poch but at the time he was having success in the CL, we wouldn't have got him that summer.
All starts with those at the top. 7 years later we still don't have an actual winger 
Boggles the mind
Boggles the mind
A proper CDM(not Fred,not Mctominay and not a past in Matic) plus a right winger would bring a lot of balance to this team.
It wouldn't solve everything but actually buying players in positions we are severely lacking would be a start.
If only balance could play on its own, lets stop hiding and depending purely on quality of players we have, such a lazy FM aproach.
I actually think this is a load of rubbish - hiring promising young players in a position where talent is rare is actually forward planning (for once). they will both have commercial resale value and, hopefully, the talent to make it in our first team. I actually fully agree with not ever looking at the mega transfers again until we get a style of play and system that can be successful - we've thrown money at too many mediocre managers and got nowhere.
Glazer ownership do not make it harder for a coach to coach his team - Woodward has a meme reputation but we have still been signing some of the most highly sought after players since the Glazers came in and we haven't really lost out to any other clubs on key targets. The Glazers should stop taking such high dividends and put some money into the club from an infrastructure standpoint (which I believe will also allow them tax breaks & doesn't count towards FFP) but our transfer kitty has been more than sufficient every year to build an elite team.
Thing is it was a ludicrous position to give Ole the full time position, before even finishing the search for a top manager. We should've waited until the summer of 2019 to give him the job, but as with everything else with the club the decision makers rush into one poor decision after the other. So another 2 years wasted now.
Dividends FC, despicable
And this is strange how? This is as predictable as any move from them.
Well to be fair we’ve (fans, ex players and managers and the whole Manchester United community) allowed this to happen by being so placid about the fact that these parasitic leeches are literally living off and draining everything out of everything that was built up before they came.
Not strange no but they're right, it is despicable
Of course. 300+k/wk for DDG, 250k/wk Martial, and 250+k/wk for Pogba aren't "real living wage".
Anyway. What's this "United resist to pay staff real living wage"? Is it equal to minimum wage?
Anyway. What's this "United resist to pay staff real living wage"? Is it equal to minimum wage?
My biggest worry is that, to the Glazers, we're like the Tampa Bay Bucs who never win the championship (2002 was the last) but regularly used to make play-off appearances (even that stopped in 2007).
The equivalent of this strategy, to us, would mean they are happy with the titles we won when Sir Alex was still around (5 titles between 2007 - 2013) and now they're just happy for us to make the Champions League - soon this will stop too.
The media needs to look at the big picture and not just focus on the manager (who is the face given he does the pressers) and the immediate results. Ole can only play the cards he's dealt with and in the face of intense supporter and media pressure, this is not easy. It was the same for the previous managers - and at least Ole's so far handling himself well and representing the club with dignity. I think we actually need more of those from the pre-Glazer era - Ole is one - to come in and expect the higher standards required by a club of our stature. I suspect though as much as Ed Woodward might want to bring the likes of Evra, Rio even VDS back in, the owners would veto such moves to keep things under control and the status quo continuing. The lack of appointment of an experienced Director of Football is telling, the owners don't really care about the football. Yes we've spent a lot but to provide x% of the yearly income as transfer funds isn't quite serious commitment to be top of the tree again, it is just part of the expense in the Balance Sheet with the remaining profits (pre-Covid) still being healthy.
As fans, we're emotional and naturally influenced by how the media portrays our team and our manager but sometimes we need to take a step back and see what the root of the problem is. If not, we will never find a solution. This is beyond Jose, Ole, Poch etc etc.
The equivalent of this strategy, to us, would mean they are happy with the titles we won when Sir Alex was still around (5 titles between 2007 - 2013) and now they're just happy for us to make the Champions League - soon this will stop too.
The media needs to look at the big picture and not just focus on the manager (who is the face given he does the pressers) and the immediate results. Ole can only play the cards he's dealt with and in the face of intense supporter and media pressure, this is not easy. It was the same for the previous managers - and at least Ole's so far handling himself well and representing the club with dignity. I think we actually need more of those from the pre-Glazer era - Ole is one - to come in and expect the higher standards required by a club of our stature. I suspect though as much as Ed Woodward might want to bring the likes of Evra, Rio even VDS back in, the owners would veto such moves to keep things under control and the status quo continuing. The lack of appointment of an experienced Director of Football is telling, the owners don't really care about the football. Yes we've spent a lot but to provide x% of the yearly income as transfer funds isn't quite serious commitment to be top of the tree again, it is just part of the expense in the Balance Sheet with the remaining profits (pre-Covid) still being healthy.
As fans, we're emotional and naturally influenced by how the media portrays our team and our manager but sometimes we need to take a step back and see what the root of the problem is. If not, we will never find a solution. This is beyond Jose, Ole, Poch etc etc.
Even if you disregard the fact they have been leeching of the club for years, thats just completely shameless.
Modern day capitalism at its finest
This last report above all others show they will milk the club even when operating at a loss.
On this path we will eventually fade away to a sleeping giant under the glazers. By that I mean they will be thinking an FA cup win is a good season. Finishing 4th every 2-3 seasons will become acceptable. The big sponsorship deals will eventually get smaller and so the transfer budget. Eventually the fan base will shrink as the youngsters and overseas fans will support the winning teams and this will also have an effect on revenue streams.
The only good that will come out of it is eventually the money will dry up enough for the 3 that dont want any dealings with the club to force a sale, or 1 of the 3 that actually runs the club might pass away . This might not be for a long time though.
On this path we will eventually fade away to a sleeping giant under the glazers. By that I mean they will be thinking an FA cup win is a good season. Finishing 4th every 2-3 seasons will become acceptable. The big sponsorship deals will eventually get smaller and so the transfer budget. Eventually the fan base will shrink as the youngsters and overseas fans will support the winning teams and this will also have an effect on revenue streams.
The only good that will come out of it is eventually the money will dry up enough for the 3 that dont want any dealings with the club to force a sale, or 1 of the 3 that actually runs the club might pass away . This might not be for a long time though.
The 'real living wage' is a £x/hour wage needed to afford daily expenses as calculated by the independent think-tank The Resolution Foundation
Confusingly, the term 'minimum wage' was changed to 'national living wage' in the UK a few years ago to avoid the negative connotation of 'minimum wage' and to win the Tories some good PR when they increased it. This is the wage which employers must pay under law.
Obviously the legal minimum national living wage is considerably less than the 'real' living wage because it isn't based on the cost of living.
United enter the picture because a few days ago, Manchester's foodbanks wrote to United and City calling on both clubs to pay the real living wage to all of their employees because several club staff are reliant on foodbanks and cannot afford to put food on the table. Mostly cleaning, catering and admin staff. United responded 'we pay our staff the national living wage' which is a poor response because as stated above this is the lowest amount an employee can legally be paid. The club have also attracted criticism for failing to pay their staff a real living wage whilst continuing to pay massive dividends to their billionaire owners during the pandemic.
For the record, Liverpool, Chelsea, Everton, Palace and West Ham pay the real living wage to all staff.
I think the national living wage is what you get at 25 and over and the minimum wage is 24 and under and has different stages to it depending on age so an 18 yo would get less than a 22 yo etc
Yeah, you're right.
When they increased the 25+ minimum wage in 2016 they rebranded it the 'living wage' but the legal minimum wage for 16-24 year olds is still often referred to as the 'national minimum wage'.
Most countries have a tiered national minimum wage for age and apprenticeships, so it's a quirk that the UK use two different terms for essentially the same thing. Anyway, national living/minimum wage and 'real' living wage are different - that's the main point i was trying to get at :P
Yes I see what you mean. If a 22 yo and a 26 yo were took on at the same time, doing the same job, surely they should get the same wage. As for Utd these parasites get deadwood woodward to announce a loss, but still get a dividend. Disgraceful.