Glazers / Woodward out! (One down)

tomaldinho1 said:
I actually think this is a load of rubbish - hiring promising young players in a position where talent is rare is actually forward planning (for once). they will both have commercial resale value and, hopefully, the talent to make it in our first team.
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It's not rubbish, it's an excellent point.

As the article says:
  • Neither contributes to the first eleven now
  • Neither contributes to the first team squad now
And as you said:
  • They will hopefully make it to the first team (and they might both end up never making it, in which case the right wing position will never be filled by those signings)
So the only plusses for them so far are that they will probably hold some resale value - that will depend on how good their loans to other clubs were, because they won't be doing it here any time soon - and that we didn't spend any money.

And to be honest, of the two of them, I think that only Diallo has a shot. The other one doesn't look good enough, in my opinion. Furthermore, our own Elanga is better than both of them so I'd much rather fast-track him to the first team and leave the other two in the U18s / U23s for a while.

One last point regarding your obvious dislike of United spending huge amounts of cash (which I agree with, by the way): would it have destroyed you, Ole, the fans or the club's finances to have signed Allan Saint-Maximin from Newcastle for like £50m (that's what we paid for Fred)? He would've improved on whatever we currently have there and still allowed us to sign those two kids 'for the future'.
 
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sammsky1 said:
what did they do tonight to rile you up?!
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This thread should be bumped after every game. With our fanbase it’s always the managers getting every bit of the criticism. The managers aren’t the root of the problem.
 
Samid said:
This thread should be bumped after every game. With our fanbase it’s always the managers getting every bit of the criticism. The managers aren’t the root of the problem.
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Very good point, some our fans are truly idiots of the severest kind.
 
Samid said:
This thread should be bumped after every game. With our fanbase it’s always the managers getting every bit of the criticism. The managers aren’t the root of the problem.
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Exactly. Our manager should not have to make do without a right winger for yet another year. Our only DM is nearly past it. Our defence isn't good enough to only play with one holding player.
 
Fully agree and appreciate the bump. People have forgotten about yet another poor transfer window for a manager that needs support. We can’t forget how bad these owners, board and recruitment staff are for the club every season.
 
The right wing is such a gaping hole, how can a football club the size of Man United not recognise it. Our last investment there was Valencia?

We never really replaced Herrera in the squad. Yes McT effectively replaced him in the team, but the squad continues to have a hole. We play with 2 holding midfielders so with Matic no longer an elite midfielder and on the decline, Garner on loan, we’re very thin there too.

Board needs to back Ole, in January not the summer, so we can all believe again. That they’re serious about challenging for the top trophies.
 
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How are we blaming Woodward for the last market when our new 45m midfielder is left warming the bench every game so far? Well maybe at least our manager should use the new signings first before we start blaming the board.
 
Bump this thread every game, win / loss / draw.

The ONLY reason for our mediocrity is the Glazers.
 
Out. The main reason the club is shambles.

Mind you, I am not absolving Ole of any blames. I think he is nowhere near a Manchester united manager and in my opinion, worse than Moyes. I want him gone as much as anyone else. But what is that going to change?. What is the long/mid/short term plan for the club other than increasing profits?

The season is like dejavu of the seasons of the past. Ole will get sacked and everyone will forget the mess Woodward left us in and we may get a new manager bounce and will look optimistic towards the next season only to be shafted in the summer window.

We are exactly like Arsenal. Both the clubs irrespective of any manager coming in, will not have any effect without a change upstairs. Get them out of the club before Ole.
 
I’ve been Ole out for a while now but let’s be real, if Poch comes in and tells Woodward I want x y and z, and Woodward fails him and brings in m, n and o instead, it’ll be rinse and repeat. Change needs to start upstairs but unfortunately it won’t.
 
We made it to the Champions League and we didn't go on and invest in the first team to challenge with the best. Central defence, Right wing were clear holes.

Ole at fault too though. We won the first 2 of our games and cruising - then we go on and lose 3 out of 4 to blow it for us.
 
They'll probably care now as there's no CL to suck more money from. Signing Cavani with muscle problems & Ighalo to streghten firepower looks more and more like another slap in the face.

Watch them now splashing big on Pogba's replacement... maybe in 2022 if things go well.
 
Yeah they get next to no attention when it comes to dissecting our ongoing woes. There really needs to be a change at the top for us to start to realise our ambition
 
Make a miraculous top 3 finish despite clearly not having a first XI worthy of United. Sign a bunch of bench options and expect things to improve significantly.

Fans are blaming the manager while the owners laugh all the way to the bank. Love him or hate him: even a world class manager like Mourinho couldn't make it work with our owners and eventually lost his mind.
 
I don't know how much wallah Ed has thrown at defenders in the last 7 years but our best defence post Fergie is still

Young - Smalling - Blind - Valencia

It's fecking unbelievable that we can't improve on that.
 
Sack ole, get Neville in as interim, then give him the job permanently when our inconsistent (but talented) side string 5 wins together. Sorted.
 
The guys are killing the club not only by taking out thw money but also with their lack of ambition.

We should be renamed MANCHESTER UNITED B.C (Business Club)
 
Yeah whether you are Ole in or Ole out the one thing we can all agree on is that until Woody is removed from FOOTBALL matters we will have the same structural problems no matter who is the manager
 
Amen

it’s amazing that there are millions of Ole Out (or Ole In) posts every time we lose but only ever a handful for these parasites.

This is the same thing that’s happened for the. Fourth. fecking. Time. In. 8. Years. You. Morons.

Is it such a struggle to get the point that this is where all those hundreds of hours composing Manager X out essays would be better spent?

How long will it take for the swathes of imbeciles posting about Ole out to understand this? When we are on our 15th manager post-SAF?
 
Crustanoid said:
Amen

it’s amazing that there are millions of Ole Out (or Ole In) posts every time we lose but only ever a handful for these parasites.

This is the same thing that’s happened for the. Fourth. fecking. Time. In. 8. Years. You. Morons.

Is it such a struggle to get the point that this is where all those hundreds of hours composing Manager X out essays would be better spent?

How long will it take for the swathes of imbeciles posting about Ole out to understand this? When we are on our 15th manager post-SAF?
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This.

The manager is a long way down the list of people to go. Anything we achieved (those last few years of SAF) since the Glazers arrived was despite them not because of them.
 
How "businessmen" like the Glazers etc pass the FA's "fit & proper" test is beyond me-scandalous!!
 
Crustanoid said:
Amen

it’s amazing that there are millions of Ole Out (or Ole In) posts every time we lose but only ever a handful for these parasites.

This is the same thing that’s happened for the. Fourth. fecking. Time. In. 8. Years. You. Morons.

Is it such a struggle to get the point that this is where all those hundreds of hours composing Manager X out essays would be better spent?

How long will it take for the swathes of imbeciles posting about Ole out to understand this? When we are on our 15th manager post-SAF?
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Isn’t it just?!
In every other thread, majority admit we have very few ‘nailed on’ starters, don’t have a DoF, complain that our transfer strategy is a mess, and during transfer window all admit that our board is not fit for purpose.
And yet the second the season starts, Woody barely gets a mention and is left Scott free.
OleOUT will solve nothing. Surrounding ole with suitably qualified footballing
 
AshRK said:
The guys are killing the club not only by taking out thw money but also with their lack of ambition.

We should be renamed MANCHESTER UNITED B.C (Business Club)
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no business is run this inefficiently. Millions wasted on playing staff ( or manager ) hurts the bottom line and that would have been unacceptable in any other company. there's a reason why stock market is not excited about the firm. Look at the stock price. when it drops below $10 or $8.. my guess is Glazers will sell.

Edit: No world class business is run this inefficiently.
 
It’s good to see at least a few people recognise that the owners are the fundamental issue but for every thousand Ole in or out posts there’s only one about the owners and we are really getting nowhere. We would better spend our energy uniting against the real problem but very few seem to see that. It’s quite sad to see.
 
Crustanoid said:
It’s good to see at least a few people recognise that the owners are the fundamental issue but for every thousand Ole in or out posts there’s only one about the owners and we are really getting nowhere. We would better spend our energy uniting against the real problem but very few seem to see that. It’s quite sad to see.
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This is not an excuse by any means but I just wonder if the fact we didn't get anywhere with that green and gold campaign in 09/10 has disheartened the fanbase that no amount of protesting is going to shift them
 
sammsky1 said:
So why not spend 75% of your effort and energy making these feel unwelcome and try to get them out?
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How?

People already tried with the trending hashtags in social media, wave banners in stadiums, criticize them openly, even ex-players criticized them in the media, articles insulting them, refuse to buy or minimize buying merchandises, stop going to stadium, not buying tickets, etc. Also the recent hackings may be done or instigated by United fans.

What else? Storm their homes with pitchforks? Throw eggs at Ed and Glazers in stadium and outside? Threatened their families?
 
croadyman said:
This is not an excuse by any means but I just wonder if the fact we didn't get anywhere with that green and gold campaign in 09/10 has disheartened the fanbase that no amount of protesting is going to shift them
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The main reason for the failure of the campaign was we were still successful despite the lack of investment. But the scenario now is completely different. Post Fergie, the hatred towards our managers have clearly shielded the criticism away form them with the added PR spin of DOF announcement whenever there is any hint of a pressure.

The infighting among whether the manger is good or not have to stop and the real anger and pressure should be directed at the top for any real change to happen.
 
Web of Bissaka said:
How?

People already tried with the trending hashtags in social media, wave banners in stadiums, criticize them openly, even ex-players criticized them in the media, articles insulting them, refuse to buy or minimize buying merchandises, stop going to stadium, not buying tickets, etc. Also the recent hackings may be done or instigated by United fans.

What else? Storm their homes with pitchforks? Throw eggs at Ed and Glazers in stadium and outside? Threatened their families?
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I don't think this has ever happened on even a small to mid sized level. Whatever you have said has been tried and forgotten after the very next win. There has never really been any constant pressure or outrage at them after the G&G campaign.
 
We need to start a social media campaign and make sure Woodward at the very least gets removed.
 
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