Glazers / Woodward out! (One down)

Or risks to get fired. It is a shitty situation for managers (and also players) to be fair. It is easy for the armchair fans to say that they should say and what not

Unless you're a match day going fan, then you can say it too! Not hard at all. Klopp did it. So did Milner. So not difficult at all.
 
If the Super League doesn't go ahead, I think they'll be off. If they could get over £3bn that is. The audacity to try and and achieve a franchise style American league system beggars belief - zero respect shown for the traditions of the game.

It's a remarkable testament that we've remained (somewhat) competitive with these lot in charge.

The point is he had the balls to say it. Let’s see if Ole (fat chance) or any of the other managers have the guts to speak out against it.

Ole most certainly won't. Although he's grown into it he's still a bit of a kid in a sweet shop, I'd be surprised f he even went in as harshly as Klopp, which wasn't that harshly.
 
Surely if the ESL goes tits up (I think it will) Woodward will have to resign? Every cloud.....

One thing that I have found quite interesting, which hasn't really been picked up by the media in all of the craziness of the last few days, is the prominence of Joel Glazer in all of this.

It is Joel who will be serving as Vice President of the Super League, Joel whose statement was included in the Super League press release, and, taking a wider view, we've seen Avi Glazer (United's co-Chairman with Joel) sell £70m shares in United and the club appoint a director of football for the first time.

What does this all point to? Well, there have been murmurings about a potential Woodward departure for a while now (and he put his house in Cheshire up for Sale in September) - I am wondering if that might be about to come to fruition, with Joel Glazer taking a much more active (and public) role at the club than any of the Glazers have previously done.


(Incidentally, it was also Joel Glazer who was on the pitch holding the trophy and giving the speech following Tampa's recent Superbowl win - I think there has been a bit of a power shift within the family, with Joel now taking a more public facing role (and a more active interest) in the sports side of the family's investments. I expect we'll be seeing a lot more of him, whatever happens with Woodward).
 
The world has it problem, always will but that's got nothing to do with football.
So back to the topic. People who ran the game care about money and not the game. There's a lot of problem in football that are not being addressed.
The proposal is an obvious money grab. But the outrage from people who ran the game is not about principles its about the money being taken away from them. That's what UEFA & FIFA care about. I guarantee if the super teams didn't propose a super league, FIFA was at some point going to propose one themselves so they can get the money.
Now the anger from the fans is legitimate. But what are fans really angry about. If it's about money taking over them game, then start pointing fingers at UEFA & FIFA.
If its about the super league, are fans completely a 100 % against it. I'm not. I think there's a format for the super league that can work and would be a lot interesting. I don' t think the idea should be dismissed quickly.
I think the current proposal is unacceptable. But it can work if there's 3 things.
1.Revenue sharing to the lower leagues.
2. Any team can be relegated & a high number of teams are relegated each season so that's there's turnover and the wealth shared around. I'd do 8 teams relegated and min 5.
3. Some changes to the rules in terms of finance. There should be a cap on the value of a transfer. Agent and players should be banned from getting a part of the transfer fees.

I don't think the super league will succeed. There's too much negative press about it. But I'd like to see a serious and fair attempt at it. Even if it goes, you still have incompetent people running FIFA& UEFA.

A lot of this could have been stopped had FIFA/UEFA had serious rules about club ownership. And if they were serious about curbing agent power and limiting the transfer madness that went on. But no, they were too busy accepting bribes and trying to line their own pockets
Surely the idea that the world has problems but it is nothing to do with football cannot be correct.

Who makes up football? Is it not people from all walks of life (players often from poorer backgrounds, the super rich execs etc)?

It's no different to politics, people constantly find reason to criticise a government in most countries, if they are allowed to - and why is that? If a government is not quite often a reflection of the quality of people within society then what is it? People like to characterise it as "us and them" and it's all the workings of a certain collection of loosely defined people, whether it be by wealth or background because it is convenient for them to do so, however the results may not be much different if we substituted them with a cross section of people from society. How many people are of truly good quality and would not be corrupted by power or money?

I would suggest football is very much a human problem and that is why the problem seems to be institutional. The individual players and execs, the clubs, the wider organisations, it does not matter which way you look at it.
 
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One thing that I have found quite interesting, which hasn't really been picked up by the media in all of the craziness of the last few days, is the prominence of Joel Glazer in all of this.

It is Joel who will be serving as Vice President of the Super League, Joel whose statement was included in the Super League press release, and, taking a wider view, we've seen Avi Glazer (United's co-Chairman with Joel) sell £70m shares in United and the club appoint a director of football for the first time.

What does this all point to? Well, there have been murmurings about a potential Woodward departure for a while now (and he put his house in Cheshire up for Sale in September) - I am wondering if that might be about to come to fruition, with Joel Glazer taking a much more active (and public) role at the club than any of the Glazers have previously done.


(Incidentally, it was also Joel Glazer who was on the pitch holding the trophy and giving the speech following Tampa's recent Superbowl win - I think there has been a bit of a power shift within the family, with Joel now taking a more public facing role (and a more active interest) in the sports side of the family's investments. I expect we'll be seeing a lot more of him, whatever happens with Woodward).

I'm not too sure exactly what you were saying here? Are you saying Joel will oust Ed Woodward?
 
I wonder if Mourinho internally steered up the pot a bit to much and that hastened his departure?
There were obviously other factors (obvious enough). But Levy would not have wanted to risk any dissent, thus the move pre replacment and in the run in to the cup final.
 
I'm not too sure exactly what you were saying here? Are you saying Joel will oust Ed Woodward?

Yes, could well be just that.

Joel doing his own 'heavy-hitting' from now on, making a bid to replace his father as the 'big chief' of the Glazer clan?
 
One thing that I have found quite interesting, which hasn't really been picked up by the media in all of the craziness of the last few days, is the prominence of Joel Glazer in all of this.

It is Joel who will be serving as Vice President of the Super League, Joel whose statement was included in the Super League press release, and, taking a wider view, we've seen Avi Glazer (United's co-Chairman with Joel) sell £70m shares in United and the club appoint a director of football for the first time.

What does this all point to? Well, there have been murmurings about a potential Woodward departure for a while now (and he put his house in Cheshire up for Sale in September) - I am wondering if that might be about to come to fruition, with Joel Glazer taking a much more active (and public) role at the club than any of the Glazers have previously done.


(Incidentally, it was also Joel Glazer who was on the pitch holding the trophy and giving the speech following Tampa's recent Superbowl win - I think there has been a bit of a power shift within the family, with Joel now taking a more public facing role (and a more active interest) in the sports side of the family's investments. I expect we'll be seeing a lot more of him, whatever happens with Woodward).
Wasn’t aware of most of this. God, just the thought of it....

Can only hope the ESL is doomed to failure and they all disappear.
 
If the Super League doesn't go ahead, I think they'll be off. If they could get over £3bn that is. The audacity to try and and achieve a franchise style American league system beggars belief - zero respect shown for the traditions of the game.

It's a remarkable testament that we've remained (somewhat) competitive with these lot in charge.



Ole most certainly won't. Although he's grown into it he's still a bit of a kid in a sweet shop, I'd be surprised f he even went in as harshly as Klopp, which wasn‘t that harshly.
Yes Klopp was smart enough to be complimentary towards the board while at the same time disagreeing. Also in the knowledge that even if they sacked him he would never struggle to get a top job.
 
A good number of huge Glazer fans on this board, have they all gone into hiding?
 
This 100%! Surely the players, manager and staff have something in their contracts, where by if the club cause any harm to their career they can fight back? Players Union or something? I can't see a single player/ manager at any of these clubs being happy with; 1. Hearing the decision as the public have heard it and 2. Being happy with all the talk surrounding playing licencing and tournament eligibilities?
I bet the contract mentions premiership eufa comps friendlies etc and there won't be any wording for SL so that should be a good loophole to get out of playing in it
 
They’re parasites. They don’t represent Manchester United, they’ve taken over the host and now manipulate them to their own benefit. I hate what this is doing to our name, one of the greatest in world football. Manchester United doesn’t want this, I would wager not a single working staff member of this club wants this. Not the manager, not the players, not the groundsmen, not the lunchroom staff, not the megastore staff, and the greatest component, the fans.

What more can you say at this point? We all opposed the Glazers from the moment they were linked with us, we didn’t want them as owners, we were lost the moment they came in. The league or even the government should have implemented measures to protect these great British institutions, to keep the clubs in the hands of the fans and keep the sport equal and fair. Half the league is owned by foreign billionaires, the horse bolted two decades ago.
 
The fact neither he nor Joel comes out and even attempts to defend this says everything about their character really.
 
The fact neither he nor Joelle comes out and even tries to defend this says everything about their character really.

To be fair that is why I think the ESL will definitely go ahead.

The Glazers will not give a singular feck about protests and mass fan disillusionment. We have seen this before.

In their eyes we are just consumers and the idea that we have any real stake in the club is a bit of a joke to them.
 
They are masters in sitting shit storms out. They did it after buying our club by just simply never showing up to games.
I don't know if they were masters at it they wouldn't be looking like cowardly weazles while doing it to be honest.
 
To be fair that is why I think the ESL will definitely go ahead.

The Glazers will not give a singular feck about protests and mass fan disillusionment. We have seen this before.

In their eyes we are just consumers and the idea that we have any real stake in the club is a bit of a joke to them.
They're practically the ISIS of club football.
 
Leicester fan in peace. I just wanted to say that I feel for everyone of you.

I'm sad and angry about this but as for the real fans of one of these clubs like many of you are, I can only imagine how infuriating and heartbreaking this must be for you.

I hope you know that although the world currently stands against your club, no real supporter from anywhere else (that I've saw anyway) thinks any less of you as fans and we understand that this decision was not only made without you but against your wishes too.

Unfortunately, you seem to be as powerless in this as the rest of us and I can only hope that your players, along with those from the other teams involved show the integrity that you as a fanbase have and do something about it because these lads are the only ones that seem to hold the power to stop this from happening.
 
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You know the club getting more money is actually a good thing for us. A smaller Super League where the good teams play more often is also good if you ask me. And sticking it to the corrupt UEFA and FIFA is great. There couldn't be a more corrupt and greedy organisation that FIFA, but UEFA runs them close.

The problem is the lack or relegation. That is utterly toxic
Who is getting the money? The glazers. This is not good for MUFC
 
That sinking feeling when you realize Joel Glazer is only 50 years old. Thought he was at least 60.

Parasitic cnut.
 
With the current outrage towards the Glazers and the super league, this is the best opportunity we will ever get to get rid of them.

And honestly, if we can't seize it and trow these bastards out, we as fans and supporters deserve what's coming.

I read that some spectators will be allowed into UK stadiums soon. Great. What we need to do is organize a fan boycott of all games. The goal is twofold: to create a self reinforcing spiral of media attention, and to hurt the Glazers where they feel it: through their wallets.

There needs to be a media / social media campaign creating awareness, and on match days there need to be banners, there need to be angry people shouting anti glazer slogans, and also a more friendly bunch with flyers and information booklets informing whatever fans that have not gotten the message about what's up and that they shouldn't enter the stadium.

The Glazers must be made to understand that there will be no fan support until they sell all their shares in the club. There will also need to be organisational changes at the club reducing owner influence and prohibiting dividend payots, and if we can also push the government in the uk towards implementing a German style 50+1 model, that would be great.

We should also create a parent organization working with the other "ESL clubs", assisting them in their efforts towards similar goals.
 
Don't forget half time shows, more examples of Janet Jackson's breasts.
Never mind half time shows. If we do away with home stadiums there's nothing in the way of playing a double header where both first halves are played before a mega commercial block followed by both 2nd halves. Imagine the suspense. Want to watch Madrid-United? You'll need to watch through Spurs-18th invited club in between.

MLB should really be the inspiration for the formatting.
 
Leicester fan in peace. I just wanted to say that I feel for everyone of you.

I'm sad and angry about this but as for the real fans of one of these clubs like many of you are, I can only imagine how infuriating and heartbreaking this must be for you.

I hope you know that although the world currently stands against your club, no real supporter from anywhere else (that I've saw anyway) thinks any less of you as fans and we understand that this decision was not only made without you but against your wishes too.

Unfortunately, you seem to be as powerless in this as the rest of us and I can only hope that your players, along with those from the other teams involved show the integrity that you as a fanbase have and do something about it because these lads are the only ones that seem to hold the power to stop this from happening.
Thank you
 
I see one real possibility to stop this - and that is that the managers and the players of these 12 clubs say no.

Solskjær, Klopp, Tuchel, Guardiola, Arteta, Conte, Pioli etc - finish the season and if things haven't been resolved by then, managers resign and the players basically say they refuse to play for the club anymore. Basically force the owners out of the clubs

100% agree, the players and coaches have the power here. If they refuse to take part then it doesn't happen.

However I don't think they'll be any player or coach revolts until this season finishes.

I'd have massive respect for any player who hands in a transfer request as soon as the final whistle is blown on the season. If the full squad stay Utd it completely undermines the owners.

A club is not the owner. Its the players the coaches and the fans.
 
Leicester fan in peace. I just wanted to say that I feel for everyone of you.

I'm sad and angry about this but as for the real fans of one of these clubs like many of you are, I can only imagine how infuriating and heartbreaking this must be for you.

I hope you know that although the world currently stands against your club, no real supporter from anywhere else (that I've saw anyway) thinks any less of you as fans and we understand that this decision was not only made without you but against your wishes too.

Unfortunately, you seem to be as powerless in this as the rest of us and I can only hope that your players, along with those from the other teams involved show the integrity that you as a fanbase have and do something about it because these lads are the only ones that seem to hold the power to stop this from happening.

Hell - you might win the league again this season haha
 
Hell - you might win the league again this season haha


I hope not. It would undermine a good season. We've earned a top 4 finish. We've earned an FA cup final. We haven't earned the title so I don't want it.