I think it is a stretch yeah.
I think you need some actual knowledge of a place before deciding its no good. Or some reliable, consistent criticism from those inside.
Glazers scrap Carrington move due to cost
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I think it is a stretch yeah.
I think you need some actual knowledge of a place before deciding its no good. Or some reliable, consistent criticism from those inside.
What does that place have that Carrington doesn't? I'm not trying to pick holes, it's a genuine question.
In terms of making footballers better at playing football.
This is absolutely true. Even still we have seen quite a few reports that Carrington isnt exactly up to snuff. And the absurd amount of injuries we have could also stem from bad pitches etc. But as you said, as long as we dont have any actual foolproof investigation / reporting it will all be some degree of guess work.
I made a point way back in this thread this happened to Newcastle in early 00’s and they moved pitch to fix it. However, I doubt it is this to be honest as LVG supposedly strong armed Woodward to shell out for 2 new state of the art pitches, plus what’s already there wasn’t exactly bad. Relaying pitches is now so advanced you can just buy an entire new grass layer and be playing on it in 5 days. Wembley did it this year for the community shield - whilst we don’t spend huge amounts as a club, I doubt we would not replace pitches if they were sub par and then there’s 3G, indoors and about 12 pitches outdoors to choose from
We've also had multiple managers praise the medical department. I remember Rangnick really rating the medical team.
What do you propose?
It's irrelevant whether it's deep or not. Their facilities shouldn't be comparable to an elite club (Barca,Madrid,City,United?) Not for me
So are you proposing a spending limit for lower league clubs?
Start with a refusal to attend games. Stop buying season tickets. Or is that too inconvenient for most?
Walking in 10 minutes late isn't a protest.
I’ve asked the question many a times. You won’t be getting an answer.
New state of the art facilities will always have the upper hand in developing players than ones that opened 20 years ago. Obviously the most important thing is to have the best in class in terms of coaching or it's all pointless when trying to catch the best in the world.
As far as that particular facility at PSG, I don't know anything about it, so I can't give an honest comparison, but common sense would say that it will be a best in class facility with capacity to give every member of their squad a locker, unfortunately the same couldn't be said for Carrington.
People associate newness, cost and grandeur with guaranteed success. Regardless how unrelated they are.
Man Utd in the Glazer years feels like how austerity has felt for the past 13 years.
I think any sensible person, wouldn't expect that. You could build me a state of the art Garage with the best mechanical equipment/tools there is. It wouldn't make me any more capable of building/repairing/restoring a car because I'm not a mechanic in any sense.
However if you have a skilled mechanic in a run down old garage with old equipment, your unlikely to be able to service a new car as it's a lot more computerized and electronic than mechanical.
The point is, you have to continuously upgrade and improve your facilities or you'll be disadvantaged vs the rest. Personally it appears United lack a skilled mechanic (Coaching staff, not ETH) and a fully kitted modern garage
Unfortunately they also built it in an area that's too windy and affects training sessions.
I've always thought the Carrington thing is overblown. Hopefully we can have better facilities in the future but Liverpool only moved to there new facilities in November 2020 and before that they had been getting 97 points and 99 points and won a Champios League. Was Melwood (Liverpool's previous training ground) holding them back?
How do they have the upper hand? Buildings don’t become decrepit after 20 years. Carrington underwent significant construction with new buildings even built just 10 years ago. So what about a 10 year old building hinders a footballer? God knows what the 100 year old building I’m sitting in does to my work.
As I said, we get no answer.
Every player in our squad has a locker
lay off the made up shite a little.How do they have the upper hand? Buildings don’t become decrepit after 20 years. Carrington underwent significant construction with new buildings even built just 10 years ago. So what about a 10 year old building hinders a footballer? God knows what the 100 year old building I’m sitting in does to my work.
As I said, we get no answer.
Every player in our squad has a locker
There's capacity for 24 players at Carrington and it was widely reported the likes of Phil Jones and Williams had to change in a different changing room to the rest of the first team squad. So it's not made up shite, well not from me anyway, maybe from the media, who knows?
10 Years ago, we built new and improved medical facilities... But going by your argument, we shouldn't have bothered. In fact why did we leave the cliff? Because apparently investment into facilities, equipment etc doesn't do anything to help anyone. All that money wasted by premier league clubs when the local park that has a pitch would have sufficed all along.
I posted in another thread earlier this will not work, for every one that does not buy a season ticket/ match ticket, there is a 100+ that will and spend money.
I have no idea what to do , but I know this will not work.
A club with the stature of Manchester United should have the best of the best. Players and coaches arguably spend more time at the training complex than their own home. Mind you they’re not living in normal homes either. Imagine you leave your multi million dollar house with all the bells and whistles and arrive to a workspace that’s lacking. You’d take notice of the contrast. Players and managers at this level expect a certain standard.
I remember reading over the summer (believe it was the Athletic) Jude Bellingham was impressed with Madrid’s training complex. Players definitely take note of this. Having state of the art facilities matter. It shows the club is actively willing to evolve and progress.
So what does the facility have to do with the coaching staff then? Are you saying we have shit coaches?
Right ok. So what state of the art facilities is Carrington lacking then?
I get the bricks are 20 years old rather than new but what's missing to get a team playing top football?
I've also asked it lots. You're right, never an answer.
Genuinely I think some really believe because a building is 20 years old it needs to be knocked down and started over.
Makes you wonder how The Cliff produced the 90's teams.
Ronaldo confirmed Carrington is lacking compared to Madrid’s and Juventus training ground. You can say a lot about Ronaldo - but one thing you cannot question is undoubtedly he spends a lot of time at the training ground due to his work ethic/love of the game. If he assessed Carrington is lacking - I believe him.
Even if you look at the occasional videos/pics of Carrington you can tell it looks OK. Not terrible by any means. But it’s not one of the best of the best anymore. And that summarizes as a whole what’s lacking with the Glazers - not evolving/progressing. Just stagnation and lowering standards.
Ronaldo was doing what was best for Ronaldo during that interview. He wanted to leave but wanted to save face with fans. Digging at the Glazers was a good way to do that.
Wondering this too.
Now, I know Ronaldo said something about the plunge pool or something, but what else?
Genuinely interested in what Carrington is missing.
I've been inside Carrington, I haven't got a clue what makes for a good training ground but it seemed pretty smart to me, it was always a surprisingly relaxed environment. I've heard discontent due to the volume of people exceeding the size of the complex...personally I'd say it's a good thing for the inflated egos of the first team to be sharing facilities with the younger players and mingling with staff/visitors. It's quite open and busy and as Ronaldo bizarrely pointed out there's some (sadly, not many) staff members that have been there for decades, again this must be a good thing (it's common in all clubs) and if a member of the canteen staff tells a player they were piss poor... it's all good with me. Throwing money at these players directly or indirectly will not improve things, reminding them what the club means might have some impact.
The women's team have just moved into their new building at Carrington. It's next to the Academy building and the new building also houses a new gym for the Academy. Not many photos and details but at least there a couple of glimpses of the project on:
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...ign=ManUtd&utm_medium=post&utm_source=twitter
Looks like we may have dropped the idea of moving but we're continuing to develop the Carrington base.
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...ign=ManUtd&utm_medium=post&utm_source=twitter
Looks like we may have dropped the idea of moving but we're continuing to develop the Carrington base.
The club is calling this an 'elite training facility'. Have to laugh as it doesn't look very elite to me. It's a cheap prefab construction raised as quickly as possible to deliver a bit of positive PR that the Glazers are investing in infrastructure. You'll find better facilities at your local gym. Just incredibly basic and lacking natural light.