Glazers scrap Carrington move due to cost

I didn’t even realise we were thinking of moving from Carrington. We’ve only been in there for 20 years which seems fairly short. Can’t we just extend it and improve it like we have been doing the past few years?

I get the feeling this is one of those stories that’s being negatively spun and in reality, it’s something like us considering all options available and then someone took it and wrote a negative Glazer piece to stir up the hornet’s nest.
 
I wasn't even aware they were planning on moving.
 
Damien said:
So I assume all that would have been almost a year ago before they started work on Carrington.
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I don't know. The article is from yesterday and United apparently appointed Mags Mernagh(the programme director) in January so my guess is that she did her due diligence and came up with the same conclusion. And my understanding is that they still plan on having state of the art facilities, just not in a new location or at least not at Tatton Estate.

Also regarding the OP, the medical center alone costed 25m£. So the club definitely spent more than 10m£ since 2005, unless they got refunds.
 
Damien said:
The improvements are listed here: https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/man-utd-undertaking-carrington-training-ground-upgrade-project













But yeah they're all so vague it is hard to determine what the specific improvements are.
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What sort of crowds do the women's team get, a 500 seater stand probably isn't big enough. Probably OK for the youth teams. Will be good if they can integrate all the teams into one facility. Unless they will still play out at Leigh Sports Village.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Can't keep on relying on the match-day fans though.
I mean, outside of a online petition I signed not too long ago, I've done feck all on this matter.
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Sadly most of us are like this. Some might have stopped buying merch but that is it more or less.

I didn't read they stopped out scrapped the the plans to build a new training facility just that the new site would be to expensive. Apparently they got the guy who did the new Leicester facilities on the case, looking into Carrington expansion.
 
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limerickcitykid said:
There were never real plans to move site. They looked at a possible idea and the land was priced outrageously. That’s not scrapping anything. There is also no need for a new site.

“Apparently not fit for purpose.” How? People love to say this and how other facilities are better, how? Give some tangible examples of what isn’t fit for purpose?

Upgrades have already been made and the men’s, women’s, and academy currently fit so clearly that’s wrong. They’ve also said about expanding the ground anyway.

They’ve already hired the developers who recently did Leicester’s ground so clearly there are specific plans. They have no duty to keep you in the loop.

A mini 8,000 stadium that never gets filled. What is so great about that? How would that tangibly provide benefits for us? Are you claiming that would produce better footballers?

Carrington has had major developments within the last 10 years including its own medical wing which is hospital standard.

Source for no plans on Old Trafford? As everything says there is, including the hiring of developers.
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If there is no need for a new site then why did we look into it so deeply? To go as far as approaching land owners and getting estimates. That doesn’t make sense to me.

I did give you a specific example as to why the change is needed. The article said Carrington isn’t large enough to house the Women’s team and various academy teams. I don’t know the rules on posting sources but you can research that. I’m not saying it is true, just posting it for discussion.

As for hiring developers to improve Old Trafford. Sorry but my company has been hiring advisors to audit and review our company for improvements for years but that doesn’t mean anything comes of it. When we see spades in the ground then that’s when I will personally believe there are changes, until then it’s all noise to me.
 
Damien said:
The improvements are listed here: https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/man-utd-undertaking-carrington-training-ground-upgrade-project

But yeah they're all so vague it is hard to determine what the specific improvements are.
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Fair enough, that is quite detailed but forgive me if I am very skeptical if it will happen. Until approved and the work starts then there’s a chance it doesn’t go ahead.

However, it says planning application has already been submitted though which is very reassuring. Thanks for sharing and it looks as though with that in mind, the Glazers are looking to the future somewhat.
 
Chairman Steve said:
I didn’t even realise we were thinking of moving from Carrington. We’ve only been in there for 20 years which seems fairly short. Can’t we just extend it and improve it like we have been doing the past few years?

I get the feeling this is one of those stories that’s being negatively spun and in reality, it’s something like us considering all options available and then someone took it and wrote a negative Glazer piece to stir up the hornet’s nest.
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This would surely make the most sense. There's quite a lot of land surrounding what the club currently owns. I would doubt it's completely unattainable.
 
They were always improving Carrington??

They were never going to move, Carrington has been in renovation since last year!!
 
macheda14 said:
To be fair we don’t know the costs of moving. Maybe it’s cheaper to stay and redevelop. If we’ve only recently decided to pull out of the move then how can you expect to know the specific plans of improvement if that decision has only now been made?

I mean it’s more than likely nothing is going to happen, but it’s still too early to say.
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Chairman Steve said:
I didn’t even realise we were thinking of moving from Carrington. We’ve only been in there for 20 years which seems fairly short. Can’t we just extend it and improve it like we have been doing the past few years?

I get the feeling this is one of those stories that’s being negatively spun and in reality, it’s something like us considering all options available and then someone took it and wrote a negative Glazer piece to stir up the hornet’s nest.
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That would make the most sense, the only possible reason I found that we can’t expand is that there are ecological sites for voles and geese that can’t be built on.

Could just be an article to stir up anger towards the Glazers but non the less it seems the move was looked into quite deeply, there must be a reason for that.
 
Not surprising. We have spent around an average of 1billion less on capital spending plus transfers than the other top 6 clubs since they took over.
 
Can't wait to see the designs of the planned Carrington and OT redevelopments.

I have a feeling that the designs will pretty much confirm what we already know about the Glazer family. Honestly not expecting much, think both developments will be done on a low budget with limited focus on design and greatly lacking ambition when compared to other top clubs. We'll look to save money where possible, so dividends can still be paid to the Glazer family. Funny how the dividend payments (even during the COVID lockdown) didn't get scrapped due to cost.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
If there is no need for a new site then why did we look into it so deeply? To go as far as approaching land owners and getting estimates. That doesn’t make sense to me.

I did give you a specific example as to why the change is needed. The article said Carrington isn’t large enough to house the Women’s team and various academy teams. I don’t know the rules on posting sources but you can research that. I’m not saying it is true, just posting it for discussion.

As for hiring developers to improve Old Trafford. Sorry but my company has been hiring advisors to audit and review our company for improvements for years but that doesn’t mean anything comes of it. When we see spades in the ground then that’s when I will personally believe there are changes, until then it’s all noise to me.
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To look at possible options. Why would you pigeonhole yourself to only one option? That doesn’t make sense to me. Why would they be renovating Carrington for a year if they were set on moving? That doesn’t make sense to me

Carrington already houses all of them so how isn’t it large enough? You can research that. So you’re just posting a load of nonsense which you have no idea about, gotcha.

You didn’t answer how it’s so worse than other clubs. I guess you don’t know that either.

You also didn’t know that they’d already started renovations a year ago at Carrington or what they were doing.

Basically you don’t know anything other than wanting to have a whinge. Great discussion.

We’ve already seen spades hit the ground with £20m renovations to Old Trafford over the summer with upgrades to the disabled section, a new platform in the Stratford end, upgraded changing rooms, new floodlights, and preparations for rail seatings for safe standing. But you didn’t know those either.
 
limerickcitykid said:
To look at possible options. Why would you pigeonhole yourself to only one option? That doesn’t make sense to me. Why would they be renovating Carrington for a year if they were set on moving? That doesn’t make sense to me

Carrington already houses all of them so how isn’t it large enough? You can research that. So you’re just posting a load of nonsense which you have no idea about, gotcha.

You didn’t answer how it’s so worse than other clubs. I guess you don’t know that either.

You also didn’t know that they’d already started renovations a year ago at Carrington or what they were doing.

Basically you don’t know anything other than wanting to have a whinge. Great discussion.

We’ve already seen spades hit the ground with £20m renovations to Old Trafford over the summer with upgrades to the disabled section, a new platform in the Stratford end, upgraded changing rooms, new floodlights, and preparations for rail seatings for safe standing. But you didn’t know those either.
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I don’t claim to know any of the details but there is a large story on the internet saying that we have cancelled plans to move training ground. This is the Man Utd forum so why wouldn’t I post it here for discussion? I have no idea why your being so aggressive to me
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Fair enough, that is quite detailed but forgive me if I am very skeptical if it will happen. Until approved and the work starts then there’s a chance it doesn’t go ahead.

However, it says planning application has already been submitted though which is very reassuring. Thanks for sharing and it looks as though with that in mind, the Glazers are looking to the future somewhat.
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Hopefully it’s a future where they sell.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
It was in Daniel Taylor's article this morning that United have had architects in to explore the possibility of expanding the south stand.
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Explore.
Possibility.
Maybe, Sometime, Never....
All words that inspire confidence.
 
UnitedFan93 said:
Can't wait to see the designs of the planned Carrington and OT redevelopments.

I have a feeling that the designs will pretty much confirm what we already know about the Glazer family. Honestly not expecting much, think both developments will be done on a low budget with limited focus on design and greatly lacking ambition when compared to other top clubs. We'll look to save money where possible, so dividends can still be paid to the Glazer family. Funny how the dividend payments (even during the COVID lockdown) didn't get scrapped due to cost.
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I don't think the Glazers are afraid to spend but I don't see them as very forward thinking. After all they've spent on the team but they've run United like a football team from the 90s and I think Carrington will have all the bells and whistles but seem dated in 10 years.
 
JPRouve said:
I don't know. The article is from yesterday and United apparently appointed Mags Mernagh(the programme director) in January so my guess is that she did her due diligence and came up with the same conclusion. And my understanding is that they still plan on having state of the art facilities, just not in a new location or at least not at Tatton Estate.

Also regarding the OP, the medical center alone costed 25m£. So the club definitely spent more than 10m£ since 2005, unless they got refunds.
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Thanks for pointing out the medical centre. I got the 10m figure from the article so they obviously have bad information. I have edited it out of my OP along with the line that there is no plans to develop Old Trafford, as there are clearly some small plans.
 
Nobody is gonna buy our club it makes zero sense. Funnily enough our success became our problem as we are almost too big for any business to buy who has any sense.

If you spend about 5 billion on a football club you are an idiot when there are clubs out there with far less overheads and huge room for growth. We have reached our theoretical max reach in this game.

It’s hard to get much more money to cover the costs of billions spent.
 
Bearwood is almost brand new, think they moved there within the last 2 seasons. Carrington's last big upgrade was 2013 so this might be a rare non click bait article.
 
Chairman Steve said:
Our training ground is on par with a struggling League 1 side apparently

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That twitter account is a load of bollocks and talkshite is probably worse.

"The training ground, honestly, I heard it was good, I didn't realise it was this good, it's honestly amazing and honestly, I'd say it's on a par with United at the minute, honestly it's that good the training ground"

He said this 2 months ago at least. The bit is at 5.20, obviously nobody bothers to look at these things. The click through to the video is on the talkshite article, not that you can really call it that.


 
Oranges038 said:
That twitter account is a load of bollocks and talkshite is probably worse.

"The training ground, honestly, I heard it was good, I didn't realise it was this good, it's honestly amazing and honestly, I'd say it's on a par with United at the minute, honestly it's that good the training ground"

He said this 2 months ago at least. The bit is at 5.20, obviously nobody bothers to look at these things. The click through to the video is on the talkshite article, not that you can really call it that.


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So what? He still said it, and it’s probably true.
 
So Reading having a training ground as good as United’s has taken them to 56 league places off United?

Gosh. Maybe having a nice training ground isn’t as transformational as all that…
 
Dolf said:
So what? He still said it, and it’s probably true.
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The point is that it's just another trash tweet taken out of context from another trash article from talkshite. It gets muppets worked up because they will never look beyond it.

Why wasn't it brought up 2 months ago when he actually said it? Oh yeah, it's international week, so drag up whatever shite you can find that might make news. If it's negative and about Man Utd, even better.

Reading had huge investment 3 or 4 years ago, it stands to reason that they would have newer facilities. He's just praising their facilities as a new player and drawing a comparison to the only other club he's ever really been at.
 
This forum is getting far worse for posting tweets with deliberately twisted quotations or statements taken out of context to make United look bad.

Savage's statement is structured entirely the opposite to the way it's been quoted, which changes the meaning significantly.
 
"Improve Carrington" translates to "we'll fix the broken tiles in the pool"
 
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