Glazers scrap Carrington move due to cost

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Yesterday it was announced that the Glazers have pulled the plug on a plan to move the training ground from Carrington to the Tatton estate due to the costs involved. Our current training ground is apparently not fit for purpose as it isn’t large enough for the mens, women’s and youth teams.

In comparison Tottenham, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City all have better facilities. Man City have spent 300m on developing their training facilities with even a mini 8,000 seater stadium for reserve/youth games.

The focus instead will now be on ‘improving’ Carrington but there are no specific plans to explain what the improvement is or any pledge as to how much will be invested.

Is a state of the art larger training ground essential? Or could it be that the money is just better spent elsewhere?
 
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ManchesterManchester said:
Yesterday it was announced that the Glazers have pulled the plug on a plan to move the training ground from Carrington to the Tatton estate due to the costs involved. Our current training ground is apparently not fit for purpose as it isn’t large enough for the mens, women’s and youth teams. In comparison Tottenham, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City all have better facilities.

The focus instead will be on ‘improving’ Carrington but there are no specific plans to explain what the improvement is or any pledge as to how much will be invested.

Man City have spent 300m on developing their training facilities with even a mini 8,000 seater stadium for reserve/youth games. In contrast, the Glazers have invested 10m of the clubs money back into developing Carrington since acquiring the club.

At this point there are also no specific plans to develop Old Traffic despite wide acknowledgment that it can’t be put off much longer. Do these decisions reveal the Glazers are not planning for the long term and want to sell Man Utd in the very near future?
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They still look to have no intention of selling
 
So, the line about improving United's facilities was all bs after those protests, which seem like a eternity ago.

I guess OT is still leaking ?
 
croadyman said:
Yep just to get us off their backs
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Buy Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo, that'll shut them up and it works.

But, its tiring. We know they won't sell up and we know we'll continually be behind the very best.
 
we are left behind - we now have 10 years without a football philosophy and if you listen to rr press conference you hear that even the manager doesnt know what is the strategy for the next year. as transfers should be planned and structured minimum a half year in advance you can bet that we will buy someone with a good name for 100 mio who isnt needed or wanted ffrom the new manager.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Buy Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo, that'll shut them up and it works.

But, its tiring. We know they won't sell up and we know we'll continually be behind the very best.
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Yeah in some ways we are Glazer puppets too, well those of us who can be bought by signings
 
It was in Daniel Taylor's article this morning that United have had architects in to explore the possibility of expanding the south stand.
 
Water Melon said:
Can we start protests again?
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Ask them to say what they plan to do and when. If they are vague with an actual timeline then protests every home match, banners outside the ground, 1 star reviews on the sponsors en masse on social media etc
It frightened them once, but needs to be kept up either until the do the work/projects or hopefully sell up to a person/organization that puts the football first.
 
To be honest I much rather we direct the funds to getting a proper striker, defender and midfielder in the summer.
 
DRJosh said:
To be honest I much rather we direct the funds to getting a proper striker, defender and midfielder in the summer.
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Yes. The problem they could have is if you are showing someone round and they have already been shown round a club with amazing facilities, then it could influence their choice. Players want to know they are being looked after properly physically as well.
 
Unlike Old Trafford, there’s loads of land for expansion round Carrington.

Whether it will happen or not is a different matter, obvs…
 
I can't say how bad Carrington is but for residents in the area, is upgrading Carrington to mordern standards so impossible that moving is absolutely necessary???
I feel a lot can be saved in upgrades rather than moving entirely.
 
wolvored said:
Ask them to say what they plan to do and when. If they are vague with an actual timeline then protests every home match, banners outside the ground, 1 star reviews on the sponsors en masse on social media etc
It frightened them once, but needs to be kept up either until the do the work/projects or hopefully sell up to a person/organization that puts the football first.
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They will not give any timeline. Maybe protests will force them to do something. I am amazed at how passive our matchgoing fans have become.
 
croadyman said:
They still look to have no intention of selling
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The field for who could buy us is narrowing, we don't want middle eastern despots, Russians are off the table, China and India have p*ssed off our government. Who does that leave who is mega rich enough to do everything this club needs from signings to ground and training facility upgrades.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Yesterday it was announced that the Glazers have pulled the plug on a plan to move the training ground from Carrington to the Tatton estate due to the costs involved. Our current training ground is apparently not fit for purpose as it isn’t large enough for the mens, women’s and youth teams. In comparison Tottenham, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City all have better facilities.

The focus instead will be on ‘improving’ Carrington but there are no specific plans to explain what the improvement is or any pledge as to how much will be invested.
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To be fair we don’t know the costs of moving. Maybe it’s cheaper to stay and redevelop. If we’ve only recently decided to pull out of the move then how can you expect to know the specific plans of improvement if that decision has only now been made?

I mean it’s more than likely nothing is going to happen, but it’s still too early to say.
 
Training ground on the Tatton estate would be cool as feck but surely it wouldn't be allowed to tear up a public park to put a private football complex on it? Or is it land outside the park they wanted to use?
 
Can't keep on relying on the match-day fans though.
I mean, outside of a online petition I signed not too long ago, I've done feck all on this matter.
 
STYLOISRED said:
I can't say how bad Carrington is but for residents in the area, is upgrading Carrington to mordern standards so impossible that moving is absolutely necessary???
I feel a lot can be saved in upgrades rather than moving entirely.
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There aren’t any houses nearby. Farmland on three sides and derelict land on the fourth.

Unfortunately, the derelict land adjoins a sewage works.
 
So let me get this straight, there’s not enough money for half a new team to support the new manager, OT renovations and a completely new training ground?

Well let me just grab my pitch fork and we’ll skip straight to the rioting.
 
I don't remember it ever being said that we were planning on moving to the Tatton estate anyway. Was always said that the plans were to work on Carrington so all teams could train there.
 
Damien said:
I don't remember it ever being said that we were planning on moving to the Tatton estate anyway. Was always said that the plans were to work on Carrington so all teams could train there.
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I don’t remember that being mentioned either. Does anyone have the original source of those plans being commented on?
 
Damien said:
I don't remember it ever being said that we were planning on moving to the Tatton estate anyway. Was always said that the plans were to work on Carrington so all teams could train there.
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Yeah, the articles from the Sun and Daily Mail tells a different story to the OP's.

Basically the club looked at several options because they want to expand the training center, one of them was Tatton estate presumably because it's the largest land available which could give more flexibility(I'm guessing). But the cost of purchasing the land itself is deemed too high, so that option has been eliminated and the club will focus on expanding Carrington instead.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Yesterday it was announced that the Glazers have pulled the plug on a plan to move the training ground from Carrington to the Tatton estate due to the costs involved. Our current training ground is apparently not fit for purpose as it isn’t large enough for the mens, women’s and youth teams. In comparison Tottenham, Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City all have better facilities.

The focus instead will be on ‘improving’ Carrington but there are no specific plans to explain what the improvement is or any pledge as to how much will be invested.

Man City have spent 300m on developing their training facilities with even a mini 8,000 seater stadium for reserve/youth games. In contrast, the Glazers have invested 10m of the clubs money back into developing Carrington since acquiring the club.

At this point there are also no specific plans to develop Old Traffic despite wide acknowledgment that it can’t be put off much longer. Do these decisions reveal the Glazers are not planning for the long term and want to sell Man Utd in the very near future?
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There were never real plans to move site. They looked at a possible idea and the land was priced outrageously. That’s not scrapping anything. There is also no need for a new site.

“Apparently not fit for purpose.” How? People love to say this and how other facilities are better, how? Give some tangible examples of what isn’t fit for purpose?

Upgrades have already been made and the men’s, women’s, and academy currently fit so clearly that’s wrong. They’ve also said about expanding the ground anyway.

They’ve already hired the developers who recently did Leicester’s ground so clearly there are specific plans. They have no duty to keep you in the loop.

A mini 8,000 stadium that never gets filled. What is so great about that? How would that tangibly provide benefits for us? Are you claiming that would produce better footballers?

Carrington has had major developments within the last 10 years including its own medical wing which is hospital standard.

Source for no plans on Old Trafford? As everything says there is, including the hiring of developers.
 
crossy1686 said:
I don’t remember that being mentioned either. Does anyone have the original source of those plans being commented on?
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Here's the article from the official website from September talking about the Carrington upgrade project and the thread on the caf. The OP here seems angry about something that wasn't going to happen.

Collette Roche, Chief Operating Officer: “Longer term, we are looking at fuller redevelopment plans for Carrington to ensure it will be a state-of-the-art, fully integrated facility for our men’s, women’s and academy groups. In the meantime, our team have been working exceptionally hard over the summer and into this season on these improvements.

“Part of the challenge for us is to create an inclusive place for everyone who works and trains at Carrington, while making sure that it is a COVID-secure environment. We also want to make the site more accessible for those who may need to use a wheelchair or have disabilities. The new stand and access pathways are important parts of that.”
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This next phase of activity is a progressive step in the development of our training complex but is just the start of the redevelopment process. Roche explained: “Significant, game-changing investment will be made into our training facilities to take Carrington to the next level once again.”
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JPRouve said:
Yeah, the articles from the Sun and Daily Mail tells a different story to the OP's.

Basically the club looked at several options because they want to expand the training center, one of them was Tatton estate presumably because it's the largest land available which could give more flexibility(I'm guessing). But the cost of purchasing the land itself is deemed too high, so that option has been eliminated and the club will focus on expanding Carrington instead.
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So I assume all that would have been almost a year ago before they started work on Carrington.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
The focus instead will be on ‘improving’ Carrington but there are no specific plans to explain what the improvement is or any pledge as to how much will be invested.
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The improvements are listed here: https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/man-utd-undertaking-carrington-training-ground-upgrade-project

The club will shortly submit planning applications for two new bespoke pavilions to host additional changing facilities, offices, gyms and catering areas. Plans for overflow car parking are also in the pipeline.
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A planning application has already been submitted to Trafford Council for new floodlights, a new all-seater stand, improved access footpaths, pitchside toilets, an electricity sub-station and new fencing along the east side of the training centre.
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The all-seater stand, with a built-in broadcast and performance analysis platform, is proposed to be situated adjacent to pitch i, replacing the two smaller existing stands and TV gantry. The stand will have capacity for almost 500 people including eight positions for fans in wheelchairs, alongside their personal assistants, and will provide comfortable seating for players, coaches, staff, scouts and other visitors.
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The proposed works will facilitate improved access for disabled users. The hardstanding areas and paths will improve mobility around the complex and the new toilet block will include a fully equipped disabled WC.
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New LED floodlights will be environmentally sustainable and will enable more flexible use of the training pitches.
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The proposed work will be in addition to renovations have taken place at Carrington this summer, where pitches were rebuilt, women’s team facilities and the manager’s office were refurbished, and restaurant areas were upgraded.
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But yeah they're all so vague it is hard to determine what the specific improvements are.
 
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