Music Glastonbury 2023

I do understand it. Like a lot of people I just don’t see it as “performing music”. It’s definitely not live music in the exact same way a band play is. There’s no singing and there’s no instruments. For me those are crucial parts of a live music performance. Using a computer and playing different sounds through it just isn’t the same. I understand fans of this music are dedicated to it but you have to accept to a lot of people it’s kind of nonsense…
Claims to understand it, and then just elaborates on how he doesn't understand it :lol:

Guitarists aren't emitting the sound waves themselves, what a load of nonsense playing a guitar is.
 
Elon Musk's terrible website is very keen to show me people's opinions about the Arctic Monkeys performance for some reason and fans of the band are very unimpressed that those of us who've barely seen a Turner performance in the last 15 years weren't in to it.
Funny how that terrible website’s algorithm works. I’m a huge AM fan and had the time of my life there last night, maybe my favourite ever show ever, and all I’ve seen is people on there telling me how unimpressed they were at the performance. Almost like it wants us to argue with and hate eachother
 
Cheers so not live delayed broadcast :rolleyes:

I've been watching on iPlayer which has been showing everything live and in full, great quality too, well apart from the Arctics set which seemed to be delayed for some reason.
 
Funny how that terrible website’s algorithm works. I’m a huge AM fan and had the time of my life there last night, maybe my favourite ever show ever, and all I’ve seen is people on there telling me how unimpressed they were at the performance. Almost like it wants us to argue with and hate eachother

Genuinely amazes me how BAD targeted advertising is to this day. It baffles me completely.
 


This is fecking disgusting, wtf is wrong with people?

A brilliant young female artist abused online because she happened to be performing with no band??


It's stupid in at least three ways. Thinking an act needs to have a band, not understanding the very obvious practical realities of why a small act touring might be able to afford a band even if they wanted one and deciding to be a whiney bitch on social media about it.
 
Alex Turner has seemed bored as feck with playing live since about 2008.... stunned people still get hyped to go watch them. I get that he probably isn't, but it always comes across that way. Arguably one of the worst bands I've ever seen, that I actually liked... while they were kind of in their pomp and young.

Grohl on the otherhand, still gives it the full beans. That dude will be able to get away with until he's 90, like Jagger, just show up, churn out the classics while trying to slide in a surprise and go home. No messing about.
 
Rick Astley was a bit of fun earlier, although I'm annoyed they only broadcast most of the stages from 2pm. Really wanted to catch The Last Dinner Party this morning. Will be a similar issue for CMAT tomorrow.

Looking forward to The Murder Capital and Shame back to back soon before Loyle Carner tonight.
 
Genuinely amazes me how BAD targeted advertising is to this day. It baffles me completely.
Well twitter and social media in general are absolutely showing you stuff that will piss you off to coax you into an argument thus driving engagement for their product. But yes targeted advertisements specifically do baffle me. I don’t think I’ve ever even clicked on a targeted ad link, never mind bought something through one
 
Well twitter and social media in general are absolutely showing you stuff that will piss you off to coax you into an argument thus driving engagement for their product. But yes targeted advertisements specifically do baffle me. I don’t think I’ve ever even clicked on a targeted ad link, never mind bought something through one

That’s what I mean. If you’re loving the Arctic Monkeys gig last night - how has social media not figured to target you for hearing aids?
 
Sudan Archives is a fecking star. Unreal set.
 
Speaking of superstars. Hard to believe Georgia Ellery of Jockstrap is also the same Georgia Ellery in Black Country, New Road. Absolutely captivating in both bands in totally different ways. What a voice.
 
The Arctic Monkeys thing was partly a not particularly good live act putting in a not particularly good performance.

But it's also nice little demonstration of the artistic/commercial tensions successful acts have to navigate. They becomes super popular doing X, from a creative POV they want to do something new, less commercial and less populist with Y, but they also don't want to give up the status and audience X brought them and Y never would have. In terms of sound they might as well be a different band to the one they were in 2006, but they have to play that old band's songs.

And the reality is that most people at some point some point stop being interested in hearing new things and circle their tastes around what they already like, so have limited patience to indulge those sort of changes. 'Tis tricky to manage and the reaction online is partly a sign of that.
 
Alex Turner has seemed bored as feck with playing live since about 2008.... stunned people still get hyped to go watch them. I get that he probably isn't, but it always comes across that way. Arguably one of the worst bands I've ever seen, that I actually liked... while they were kind of in their pomp and young.

Grohl on the otherhand, still gives it the full beans. That dude will be able to get away with until he's 90, like Jagger, just show up, churn out the classics while trying to slide in a surprise and go home. No messing about.

They are shite live, it’s true
 
Shame breaking the record for smelliest, sweatiest show in Glastonbury history after less than 3 songs.
 
The Arctic Monkeys thing was partly a not particularly good live act putting in a not particularly good performance.

But it's also nice little demonstration of the artistic/commercial tensions successful acts have to navigate. They becomes super popular doing X, from a creative POV they want to do something new, less commercial and less populist with Y, but they also don't want to give up the status and audience X brought them and Y never would have. In terms of sound they might as well be a different band to the one they were in 2006, but they have to play that old band's songs.

And the reality is that most people at some point some point stop being interested in hearing new things and circle their tastes around what they already like, so have limited patience to indulge those sort of changes. 'Tis tricky to manage and the reaction online is partly a sign of that.

If you're performing at Glastonbury you know what the people want. Just give them the hits. Give them the bangers, and off you go. I love the Arctic Monkeys' early stuff but drifted far away from them in recent years. Whatever it is they're doing now does nothing for me. Also, I always found Alex Turner to be a bit of a knob. This "character" that he always steps into when up on stage is grating.
 
The Arctic Monkeys thing was partly a not particularly good live act putting in a not particularly good performance.

But it's also nice little demonstration of the artistic/commercial tensions successful acts have to navigate. They becomes super popular doing X, from a creative POV they want to do something new, less commercial and less populist with Y, but they also don't want to give up the status and audience X brought them and Y never would have. In terms of sound they might as well be a different band to the one they were in 2006, but they have to play that old band's songs.

And the reality is that most people at some point some point stop being interested in hearing new things and circle their tastes around what they already like, so have limited patience to indulge those sort of changes. 'Tis tricky to manage and the reaction online is partly a sign of that.

What you say is true, but regardless of that people want to hear the songs accurately represented to how they're meant to sound. I absolutely love "Cornerstone" for example, but the way it was performed last night sucked every last drop of enjoyment out of it. The vocal style just didn't fit the songs and stripped them of all dynamism. I can't believe how deathly dull that set was.
 
The Arctic Monkeys thing was partly a not particularly good live act putting in a not particularly good performance.

But it's also nice little demonstration of the artistic/commercial tensions successful acts have to navigate. They becomes super popular doing X, from a creative POV they want to do something new, less commercial and less populist with Y, but they also don't want to give up the status and audience X brought them and Y never would have. In terms of sound they might as well be a different band to the one they were in 2006, but they have to play that old band's songs.

And the reality is that most people at some point some point stop being interested in hearing new things and circle their tastes around what they already like, so have limited patience to indulge those sort of changes. 'Tis tricky to manage and the reaction online is partly a sign of that.
Rule number one is you never experiment at a festival.

It's a casual market, people may only be there because they know three or four songs.
Just play the damn songs as they should be heard and experiment at gigs where die hard people go to watch.
 
Can we take the dull AM debate elsewhere now? You're interrupting my posts about the good gigs. ;)
 
If you're performing at Glastonbury you know what the people want. Just give them the hits. Give them the bangers, and off you go. I love the Arctic Monkeys' early stuff but drifted far away from them in recent years. Whatever it is they're doing now does nothing for me. Also, I always found Alex Turner to be a bit of a knob. This "character" that he always steps into when up on stage is grating.
What you say is true, but regardless of that people want to hear the songs accurately represented to how they're meant to sound. I absolutely love "Cornerstone" for example, but the way it was performed last night sucked every last drop of enjoyment out of it. The vocal style just didn't fit the songs and stripped them of all dynamism. I can't believe how deathly dull that set was.

That's kinda my point though, they did give the hits yesterday, there were very few songs from latest two albums. The problem was that they sound like a completely different band now, so it came across as listless anyway. Given the way his voice has changed I'm not sure they could knock out faithful versions of some of those older songs even if they wanted to.
 
That's kinda my point though, they did give the hits yesterday, there were very few songs from latest two albums. The problem was that they sound like a completely different band now, so it came across as listless anyway. Given the way his voice has changed I'm not sure they could knock out faithful versions of some of those older songs even if they wanted to.

Yeah fair enough. I know what you're saying. I think they feel like they've sort of moved beyond that period but do it anyway, even though their heart isn't in it. Which obviously contributed to a very flat concert. And whatever Alex Turner is trying to do
 
He could sing in time for a start, that would help and has nothing to do with vocal degradation, it's a choice.
 
And the reality is that most people at some point some point stop being interested in hearing new things and circle their tastes around what they already like, so have limited patience to indulge those sort of changes. 'Tis tricky to manage and the reaction online is partly a sign of that.

The problem with the whole “People just don’t like new things” argument, which is very true - and some of the angry dads whinging now would’ve absolutely been complaining about Bowie going Soul or Radiohead getting more electronic or whomever - is that whilst it’s good that AM have matured and tried new things (and some of their output is still good) the things they’re trying aren’t exactly new and avant garde, or adapting to a new exciting musical landscape like Bowie or the Beatles or New Order or anyone you chose to mention… it’s largely quite a nostalgic retro sound made up of things Alex likes, and more of an evolution of the Shadow Puppets stuff, which was a deliberate throw back, whereas the old stuff (which I do think it’s good to move on from) was at the forefront of an era defining aesthetic… so it doesn’t really feel the same

It’s more like McCartney getting more of his granny music into later Beatles albums than it is Dylan goes electric.
 
Fair play to Lewis Capaldi. Not my cup of tea but to see him battle through what appear to be quite overwhelming ticks to deliver this set is something else.
 
Fair play to Lewis Capaldi. Not my cup of tea but to see him battle through what appear to be quite overwhelming ticks to deliver this set is something else.

Yeah was a bit uncomfortable watching that last couple of songs, clearly struggling massively poor chap.
 
Rick Astley doing The Smiths is something I’m enjoying more than I thought I would.

Edit: he’s got a very Alan Partridge quality to him.
 
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Yeah was a bit uncomfortable watching that last couple of songs, clearly struggling massively poor chap.

Was his first gig in three weeks after having to cancel a load to try and get himself better and he said he's probably taking the rest of this year off now too, heartbreaking really, he looked distraught coming off. Even said "if I never get to do this again" at the end.
 
Rick Astley doing The Smiths is something I’m enjoying more than I thought I would.

Edit: he’s got a very Alan Partridge quality to him.

He's outrageously likeable.
 
Rick Astley doing The Smiths is something I’m enjoying more than I thought I would.

Edit: he’s got a very Alan Partridge quality to him.

Now you say it yeah very Alan Partridge :lol:

I do enjoy the smiths in any form.