Gill Expects Busy Summer

You have lost a few cells putting together projected potential and actual potential? In my field of work, those phrases makes a lot of sense. I think I may have to explain what the difference is.
Projected potential being derived from projection in maths which is actually a prediction into the future that the player may have potential and not the realization of the said potential.

While actual potential in the way I used it just meant, the player obviously demonstrate or there is evidence of what they can become in the near future.

You should have called them "obvious potential" and "bloody well hidden potential which may or may not show itself in the future", it's so much easier to understand.
 
I'm glad you tidied that post up. I don't know what you're on about in saying that I'm always the first to quote you, I certainly don't recall having done so much, but if you frequently make posts like the one about potential potential then I guess it's entirely possible. Or is that potentially possible?

As for you 'clarification', it still makes no sense, potential is potential, if it's already been realised then it's no long potential, so basically you're talking rubbish.

What do you mean by potential potential? I don't get this? I really want someone to explain to me why you think what I said is rubbish? I said or intended to say that the said player's potential has been realized.
 
I guess people assume that those deals are more or less in the bag now.

Looks like the news on De Gea was premature given his last statement. And we've had nothing but rumour on Young. I'd be surprised if a deal there was so straightforward given the interest of other clubs in him. Villa would surely want a proper transfer battle to bump up the fee.
I think there's plenty of work there yet for Gill.
 
What do you mean by potential potential? I don't get this? I really want someone to explain to me why you think what I said is rubbish? I ended said or intended to say that the said player's potential has been realized.

It was a slight piss take on the idea of 'projected potential'. Potential is something which is always projected, it's something which is yet to have been realised, so talking about projected potential over actual potential makes no sense. You can't say some players actually have it and others might have it, hence 'potential potential'.

The word potential has now lost all meaning in my head.
 
It was a slight piss take on the idea of 'projected potential'. Potential is something which is always projected, it's something which is yet to have been realised, so talking about projected potential over actual potential makes no sense. You can't say some players actually have it and others might have it, hence 'potential potential'.

The word potential has now lost all meaning in my head.

That is the definition of potential to you? Wow, we are at opposite ends of the spectrum on this. Don't be quick to assume that people are just stupid. The words projection and potential have different meanings.

My dictionary defines potential this way: The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being

Projection this way: a prediction made by extrapolating from past observations

Do you not see how I could then go ahead and make the analogy of Bebe and Welbeck? With the assumption that if Welbeck was not our player?
 
That is the definition of potential to you? Wow, we are at opposite ends of the spectrum on this. Don't be quick to assume that people are just stupid. The words projection and potential have different meanings.

No, that's what the definition is to everyone.

Definition - Capable of being but not yet in existence.
 
No, that's what the definition is to everyone.

Definition - Capable of being but not yet in existence.

That is one of the many many meanings. Myopia may rein supreme here, I just have to stay out. Or and I don't mean the definition of myopia in the medicinal sense.
 
That is one of the many many meanings. Myopia may rein supreme here, I just have to stay out. Or and I don't mean the definition of myopia in the medicinal sense.

You are barking up the wrong neck of the woods, here.
 
Break the bank, if you can... If you can't then build smart, find a gem like little pea


I will say though if Gill is speaking about actual spending, it must be somewhat true... I mean, when it comes to financial questions and pundits questioning our financial standing, Gill avoids the "players" financial figures and transfers and talks more behind the scenes.

Big sentence
 
Break the bank, if you can... If you can't then build smart, find a gem like little pea


I will say though if Gill is speaking about actual spending, it must be somewhat true... I mean, when it comes to financial questions and pundits questioning our financial standing, Gill avoids the "players" financial figures and transfers and talks more behind the scenes.

Big sentence

But he isn't speaking about actual spending, he's speaking about how busy the summer will be.

For all we know, we could be looking at five or six players for 3M each, all for the reserves. That would still keep him busy.
 
Stop pointing fingers at me. :lol: I stand by what I said, I don't expect our net spending to be significant because we haven't really spent much without selling in the past five or six years, however I never said we won't sign anyone.

Given De Gea signing for £17m I think net spending might be higher than I initially expected, but I'd still take a bet that it won't be more than £20m.
 
But he isn't speaking about actual spending, he's speaking about how busy the summer will be.

For all we know, we could be looking at five or six players for 3M each, all for the reserves. That would still keep him busy.

I don't know......it sounds a little bit more than persuading some young guns to come to the club. I'm not even sure how involved Gill would be in such deals but adding to the first team squad he would be the main man when it came to discussions etc.
 
All the in fighting is nauseating, lets just hope for the best, I can't imagine there are many of us that wouldn't like one really top quality addition to midfield at least.

Stop pointing fingers at me. :lol: I stand by what I said, I don't expect our net spending to be significant because we haven't really spent much without selling in the past five or six years, however I never said we won't sign anyone.

Given De Gea signing for £17m I think net spending might be higher than I initially expected, but I'd still take a bet that it won't be more than £20m.

Then you must be expecting some pretty big selling to be done by us as the combined total of the three players most linked adds up to £40M, and I don't think TK and Wes are going to fetch £10M between them.
 
But he isn't speaking about actual spending, he's speaking about how busy the summer will be.

For all we know, we could be looking at five or six players for 3M each, all for the reserves. That would still keep him busy.

Well when you put it that way you're right, hindsight kills :lol:

I just hope we invest smart, not drastic.
 
All the in fighting is nauseating, lets just hope for the best, I can't imagine there are many of us that wouldn't like one really top quality addition to midfield at least.



Then you must be expecting some pretty big selling to be done by us as the combined total of the three players most linked adds up to £40M, and I don't think TK and Wes are going to fetch £10M between them.

Kuszczak and Brown will leave, some of Gibson, Macheda, Berbatov might be on their way out. I am actually quite convinced Berba is going to leave and he will fetch around £10m. We might well end up with £20m earned there.
 
'Expecting a busy summer' doesn't just have to mean purchasing players - there will be some sales, maybe some renegotiated contracts (eg Hernandez) etc.

Gill likes a good summer fete as well, goes to all of them he does.
 
Kuszczak and Brown will leave, some of Gibson, Macheda, Berbatov might be on their way out. I am actually quite convinced Berba is going to leave and he will fetch around £10m. We might well end up with £20m earned there.

Berbatov is the only one I can see leaving out of those 'maybe' players and he would balance your net prediction out, if Fergie decides once again to neglect the glaring need for a top CM.
 
'Expecting a busy summer' doesn't just have to mean purchasing players - there will be some sales, maybe some renegotiated contracts (eg Hernandez) etc.

True true, in any case, other than a goal keeper, I just want us to wait and give our kids a chance before stunting with expensive purchases. We have Fletcher, Carrick as the needed experience players for guidance so it will not be like Arsenal.
 
Given De Gea signing for £17m I think net spending might be higher than I initially expected, but I'd still take a bet that it won't be more than £20m.

Last time you took a bet was a few years ago, it was whether we would sign anyone before the end of the summer transfer window. You said we would, we didn't. I'm still waiting for my money, it was 10 zlotys. :smirk:
 
So, in conclusion, Gill has a busy few weeks on the golf course before he jets off for his summer hols.

Phew, I potentially came in my potential underpants at the thought of potential money being spent.
 
So, in conclusion, Gill has a busy few weeks on the golf course before he jets off for his summer hols.

Phew, I potentially came in my potential underpants at the thought of potential money being spent.

Are you saying that we aren't going to spend money?
 
I just hope that the 'fuss' of the last couple of seasons dies down where we assume that if someone costs less than £20m that they're shit and use it as proof that the club lacks ambition. Because that shit got tiring.
 
Are you saying that we aren't going to spend money?

Just playing Devil's Advocate with all the 'potential' discussion. I'm in the camp that believes money is available should SAF see the right player become available at the right time for the right price.
 
The money has always been there for the right place at the right time at the right price at the manager's discretion. This obsession that some have where we must spend X amount each summer, regardless of need or desire, simply to balance out the 'net spend' books has long time been preposterous. As I said earlier I hope that's at an end now anyway.