Exaclty. I don't blame the players for hiring him, I'd try to get him as my agent too.
@Regulus Arcturus Black You know what's funny? Pogba's performance last season
What was funny about his performance last season?
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What was funny about his performance last season?
Future business consideration. Had Fergie been in charge Pogba wouldn't be back. No Micky or Zlatan either
And I think fans have to understand, it's a business. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the players should fleece a club or go on the move each year or hold clubs to ransom but clubs exploit the players plenty for their own gain, so it's just right that the players get rewarded accordingly.
We may not have needed them!
Beh he's 27 y.o and only played 90' in Serie A, in Genoa was the 3rd GK and last season was playing for Asteras Tripolis.
AC Milan already sold him once because he was poor..
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Agree. There are many bankrupt players long after they retire and i dont see fans chipping in to help them.
Professional footballer is about getting paid.
Insane that people are praising his agent. The guy is a fcuk-knuckle.
I don't think he's good for players careers.
He's a soulless, lecherous vulture. Football has changed for the worse since agents rose to their current level of prominence.
I don't think he's good for players careers.
He's a soulless, lecherous vulture. Football has changed for the worse since agents rose to their current level of prominence.
1 ml euros to his brother too... madness
To be fair if they didnt spent millions on prostitutes, cars and gambling that wouldn't be the case. What footballers need are better financial advisers not scummy agents.
That's not a viable long term policy though. Even Barca have started buying mendes clients. These agents have good players
Well, if anyone in the manager's world knew anything about long term policy it's Fergie.
Football went bad when it became more of a business than it did a sport. Clubs started it all. Our club, more than any, would have benefited from players marketing.
Agree as well.
Their bankruptcy is another story. But regardless their loyalty all thosr years aren't well rewarded apart from people calling them good lad on banters.
Every player out there disagrees so it's fair to say you're wrong.
Raiola has done great for this lad's career with this deal. Kudo's.
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Yeah, the only real differences from the original reported offer I can see are his brother being paid 1m/year and the release clause going up.
All the financial advisers in the world can't help someone gifted millions of pounds from a young age.
Especially when they're incredibly thick to begin with.
Where did you get this from? He's as big a fan of Schalke as there is. Also I dont see why that would matter.
harsh but true. Even still I hope more is done to help them.The amount of money he is on seems excessive when Bayern were clear favourites to sign him unless he just recently got a huge new contract
I mentioned this recently but one of the two following scenarios would be amazing;
1. We have done business with Raiola before and have a good relationship as far as I know. We agree a pre contract with Donnarumma in January, he signs for us on a free next season. At the same time we agree to sell De Gea to Madrid, which will eventually happen anyway, for around £50-60m.
2. We sign Donnarumma this season, and either sell De Gea now for £60m or next season while we loan Donnarumma out to another foreign club for a season.
Both options lead to De Gea leaving, which in my opinion will happen at some point or another, he was born, raised and all his family are in Madrid. Its his home. We replace him with Donnarumma and with our famous reputation of building world class keepers, he will be one of the best in no time. Don't forget, De Gea was awful in his first season, we helped make him who he is today.
1. We have done business with Raiola before and have a good relationship as far as I know. We agree a pre contract with Donnarumma in January, he signs for us on a free next season. At the same time we agree to sell De Gea to Madrid, which will eventually happen anyway, for around £50-60m.
2. We sign Donnarumma this season, and either sell De Gea now for £60m or next season while we loan Donnarumma out to another foreign club for a season.
Both options lead to De Gea leaving, which in my opinion will happen at some point or another, he was born, raised and all his family are in Madrid. Its his home. We replace him with Donnarumma and with our famous reputation of building world class keepers, he will be one of the best in no time. Don't forget, De Gea was awful in his first season, we helped make him who he is today.
If it isn't the agents fecking the clubs up, it's the clubs fecking up the players really. Everybody wants to make money and it's easier to make some ridiculous deal with a 18 year old or his parents who might be clueless about football deals en general.
Marca reporting again today about Navas remaining first choice next season (which seems widely accepted now with the exception of gutter tabloid press). However they also state that Madrid will be looking for a new younger keeper for the 18/19 season.
They say 3 goalkeepers have been discussed by Madrid. The three of them are Donnarumma, Courtois, and Arrizabalaga. No mention of De Gea at all.
He did get a new contract a while ago.
Many praise Raiola, but I would certainly not want the 18 year old me to have him as agent. Raiola could have made sure Donnarumma was amazingly well paid, loved by his fans and generally respected. Or he could make him even more amazingly paid while looking like an spoilt clown. I know which one I'd prefer.
So... what's the chance he'll have a shocker in the last game of the season when AC Milan need a win to grab the 4th place?
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I doubt you'd want to get paid 50k/week instead of 100k/week.
If true these numbers really really surprise me. Get goalkeepers really get paid so much less?
It's the net wages.
Don't pretend to know me. If money is the only thing you value in your life, that's your problem. All things being equal, choosing more money makes sense, but that's not the case here. He'll be filthy rich either way, he can afford to think about what sort of person he should be, or at least seem like. But yeah, he's just a kid, he doesn't think.
His fees might probably cost you one year salary or more.. (I have no clue how much you are paid)
I dont know you, but calling him immature for taking a 100 percent raise in salary is abit rich. Not everyone is like you
Ps: it's more money by doing his job, it's not like more money by joining isis.
Honestly, although I support Milan, I never looked highly at Donarrumma at least performance wise. Yes, he has huge potential for an 18 year old; that is rarely seen. Yes, he is really talented and has confidence, but potential doesnt mean you are good at the time being. I think that he wasnt even in the top 25 goalkeepers in the world last season, and was horrendous in some matches. He definitely single-handedly cost Milan several points and is so often shaky that he doesnt infuse confidence in the heart of a Milan supporter. Yet Milan gave him their full trust because they werent doing well to begin with and so wanted someone to look up to and build their team around. The fans just went crazy and just ignored every mistake he did and idolized him. It isnt wrong to do that when your team is doing poor as Milan have been, but the result was overhyping not of his potential which is undoubtedly there, but overhyping of the effect he has on the team. I think Milan would have done better with any average goalkeeper you can name now because of the mistakes he did and because of the lack of safety the defenders felt with him no matter how much Milan fans try to deny it.
Yet Donarrumma was never doubted not even for one second. Many other players with huge potential like David Calabria and Locatelli ( who by the way is also 18 years old) had some great matches/performances but Milan as club and fans never praised them as much, and never trusted them as much. And here's what spited me, Locatelli and Calabria dont play in the GK position which is very critical when it comes to mistakes. They play in positions where it would be OK to make a mistake or two, and yet the coach wouldnt give them as much confidence. The fans and the club focused so much on Donarrumma that the fans did a special chant for him although he has been playing for merely two seasons and they never do that for any other Milan player. Many even nicknamed him God. All that was just growing this aura around him that certainly made him somewhat cocky deep inside. He even went on to absorb this attention to begin the badge-kissing, relish the captaincy of Milan which he should have never dreamed of having, and just sweet-talking about being in Milan forever and so on. The situation was really so silly all around in my opinion, but Milan wanted a hero through the unbearable poor times and so he became already their Buffon. The media obviously took from there and every good thing he did was magnified 100 times, and every bad thing he did was ignored or downplayed. He wasnt Milan's hero anymore but Italy's.
Here we come in the beginning of this season and Milan felt hope for the first time in probably a decade with money flowing in. Imagine how frustrated Milan fans were for the past decade and imagine then how much ecstatic they felt when money started finally pouring in and most of all a better management took over. Nothing was going to go bad no matter what in, their minds. The LAST THING a Milan fan would have imagined especially after last season's story with Donnarumma was that he among all would pull the most stupid and selfish move that would shake their pride in this season and be the big black mark in the start of it. Yes I am one of the 0.001% of fans that never really praised Donarrumma past season, but no matter how you look at it, this never made sense. It's so unfathomable that I sometimes honestly wondered ( if only I didnt know better) if this was just a huge trick by all sides to keep making Donarrumma the God he is and give Milan more money out of him in the case of selling him this summer or after, while at the same time selling a story of his departure for the fans. Its not about whether he has the right or not, its not about footballers needing to be protected or not. No matter how you looked at it, this was his first professional contract after completing 18. This is the team that gave him a chance that not many teams would, this is the fanbase that made him a God, and he is the one that acted as an angel that would be their savior.
....And yet even if you ignore all that, why in HELL would he not sign a contract for five million euros ?? This is Italy where paying five million means 10 million with taxes. Even if we pretend he doesnt believe in the Milan project, even if he hates Milan, you can just sign the contract and there would still be much chances for you to move on in the future. It's for his own good to remain at such a young age in the same team, anyway, and gain more experience and have all his mistakes ignored because he is everyone's idol. Hell F*ck, even if he wants he could make a deal like many players and extend his contract and still leave but at the very least get some money back for the team that trusted you so that they can have leverage in the negotiations. Sometimes as I said earlier I really dont know if this all is not a trick because it never makes sense. Even in the worst case scenario that he could possibly claim, he shouldnt act in this selfish manner. This ceases to be football; it's that simple. This is what makes Milan fans so angry. He could claim the worst case scenario and yet he still couldnt justify acting the way he did.
But it doesnt end here; after all that's happened, the Milan management make the worst possible decision in giving him 6 million per year which is 12 million after and even worse giving his loudmouth brother a contract worth a million as well ? And with all these concessions, put a release clause of 50 million ? Even if he was actually THE best goalkeeper in the world ALREADY, he doesnt deserve this. All the money they could possibly make from him would be balanced by all the money they'll be wasting on him. And trust me there's BIG possibility that it will be wasted because how on earth could he justify his wages ? Also how on earth could he guarantee good performance after all the beef that has happened between him and the club. The atmosphere is toxic now all over. The deal makes zero sense. I cant see this not ending with Milan selling him this summer even if they extend his contract first. This whole fiasco of a saga was so confusing that it bordered on fake in my mind at times. But since reality is there in front of us unfolding, I have to believe it and say that this is the worst deal ever for Milan and could backfire a lot. The window has started very well, so why not sell this kid even if for less than 50 million, even if for 25-30 million euros and just move on without toxicity in the environment?
Yes I will say again, I am biased in that I was one of the rare people that never really praised Donnarrumma, but I think most Milan fans would agree on how terrible this deal is, even those who like him because it gives nothing for Milan and yet gives everything for the other side.
Yet Donarrumma was never doubted not even for one second. Many other players with huge potential like David Calabria and Locatelli ( who by the way is also 18 years old) had some great matches/performances but Milan as club and fans never praised them as much, and never trusted them as much. And here's what spited me, Locatelli and Calabria dont play in the GK position which is very critical when it comes to mistakes. They play in positions where it would be OK to make a mistake or two, and yet the coach wouldnt give them as much confidence. The fans and the club focused so much on Donarrumma that the fans did a special chant for him although he has been playing for merely two seasons and they never do that for any other Milan player. Many even nicknamed him God. All that was just growing this aura around him that certainly made him somewhat cocky deep inside. He even went on to absorb this attention to begin the badge-kissing, relish the captaincy of Milan which he should have never dreamed of having, and just sweet-talking about being in Milan forever and so on. The situation was really so silly all around in my opinion, but Milan wanted a hero through the unbearable poor times and so he became already their Buffon. The media obviously took from there and every good thing he did was magnified 100 times, and every bad thing he did was ignored or downplayed. He wasnt Milan's hero anymore but Italy's.
Here we come in the beginning of this season and Milan felt hope for the first time in probably a decade with money flowing in. Imagine how frustrated Milan fans were for the past decade and imagine then how much ecstatic they felt when money started finally pouring in and most of all a better management took over. Nothing was going to go bad no matter what in, their minds. The LAST THING a Milan fan would have imagined especially after last season's story with Donnarumma was that he among all would pull the most stupid and selfish move that would shake their pride in this season and be the big black mark in the start of it. Yes I am one of the 0.001% of fans that never really praised Donarrumma past season, but no matter how you look at it, this never made sense. It's so unfathomable that I sometimes honestly wondered ( if only I didnt know better) if this was just a huge trick by all sides to keep making Donarrumma the God he is and give Milan more money out of him in the case of selling him this summer or after, while at the same time selling a story of his departure for the fans. Its not about whether he has the right or not, its not about footballers needing to be protected or not. No matter how you looked at it, this was his first professional contract after completing 18. This is the team that gave him a chance that not many teams would, this is the fanbase that made him a God, and he is the one that acted as an angel that would be their savior.
....And yet even if you ignore all that, why in HELL would he not sign a contract for five million euros ?? This is Italy where paying five million means 10 million with taxes. Even if we pretend he doesnt believe in the Milan project, even if he hates Milan, you can just sign the contract and there would still be much chances for you to move on in the future. It's for his own good to remain at such a young age in the same team, anyway, and gain more experience and have all his mistakes ignored because he is everyone's idol. Hell F*ck, even if he wants he could make a deal like many players and extend his contract and still leave but at the very least get some money back for the team that trusted you so that they can have leverage in the negotiations. Sometimes as I said earlier I really dont know if this all is not a trick because it never makes sense. Even in the worst case scenario that he could possibly claim, he shouldnt act in this selfish manner. This ceases to be football; it's that simple. This is what makes Milan fans so angry. He could claim the worst case scenario and yet he still couldnt justify acting the way he did.
But it doesnt end here; after all that's happened, the Milan management make the worst possible decision in giving him 6 million per year which is 12 million after and even worse giving his loudmouth brother a contract worth a million as well ? And with all these concessions, put a release clause of 50 million ? Even if he was actually THE best goalkeeper in the world ALREADY, he doesnt deserve this. All the money they could possibly make from him would be balanced by all the money they'll be wasting on him. And trust me there's BIG possibility that it will be wasted because how on earth could he justify his wages ? Also how on earth could he guarantee good performance after all the beef that has happened between him and the club. The atmosphere is toxic now all over. The deal makes zero sense. I cant see this not ending with Milan selling him this summer even if they extend his contract first. This whole fiasco of a saga was so confusing that it bordered on fake in my mind at times. But since reality is there in front of us unfolding, I have to believe it and say that this is the worst deal ever for Milan and could backfire a lot. The window has started very well, so why not sell this kid even if for less than 50 million, even if for 25-30 million euros and just move on without toxicity in the environment?
Yes I will say again, I am biased in that I was one of the rare people that never really praised Donnarrumma, but I think most Milan fans would agree on how terrible this deal is, even those who like him because it gives nothing for Milan and yet gives everything for the other side.
nice post, I agree with you about the toxic environment this saga has created. Will the fans hound him for every mistake next season?
Don't think I called him immature, only young and spoilt.
I merely think it's a bit naïve to praise Raiola for taking such good care of his clients. One perspective is that he wins Donnarumma a shitload of cash. Another is that he's an experienced, shrewd and greedy agent who squeezes as much money as possible out of a 18 year old kid. My only point is that Raiola surely could have gotten Donnarumma a sizable pay bump in a respectable manner, and I feel that he would have taken better care of his client by doing that. I respect that you and others may have a different opinion.
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I dont even think he himself, no matter how cocky he is, wont hound himself for every mistake. I mean its a big wage that he could never justify. And since it is so, why not have the 100 million release clause ? Why have a release clause at all ? If you're worth 6 million wage at 18 while being so shaky and still very raw , why not raise the roof of the release clause till there is no release clause at all ? This whole thing doesnt make sense. Funny thing, if fans hadnt adored him the way they did, they might have forgiven him, but when he was so loved and acted like an angel, the love factor exceeded the acceptable boundary, and so when they hate him they will hate him with the same intensity with which they loved him. If he could find a justification for what he did, the hate might be minimized but I cant see him finding any justification. Also the team is aiming high next season, CL spot at least, so if he is simply at the same level as last season ( not worse, just exactly the same level) they might not forgive him for his mistakes, not anymore at least, not after what he did.
The problem is not only about him anyway, I mentioned Locatelli, he needs a contract with Milan now as well, so how can Milan justify not giving him a big wage as well. He was really good last season too. If Locatelli is 1% selfish as Donarrumma, then very simply he could demand high wages and how can Milan management justify not giving in to his demands ? It could be around 3 million which is also way too much for one season performance, but Milan wouldnt be able to justify a rejection of his demands will they ? Of course he could be a respectable person who knows his limits, but if the team makes high offers for his mate who is same age as him, he could be sneaky enough to stretch his wage as much as possible and this goes on and on with every player in the squad. Very simply, Donarrumma will be one of Milan's weakest players next year, so how can he have wages that are sometimes three times more than others with him ?
Also regarding Raiola, of course all what he said was just nonsense, but Donarrumma can say no to him. Bonaventura who has been Milan's best player past two seasons is also Raiola's client and yet he extended his contract for an average wage and Raiola never questioned Milan's project in the process of the extension of the contract. How come ?
This is what hints at possibility that Raiola might want some money in a big transfer as he did with Pogba. He needs to make his millions every year. This whole thing could be due to his need to move Donna out and make his stay in Milan impossible so that he could make money out of him, but doesnt Donarrumma have a say ? Again this is why its so confusing for me.
I really don't see any sort of cuntishly ugly behavior from donna tbf.
The guy isn't a milan fans, he signs a contract, he honor his contract by playing to the full duration of what he sign, he didn't threaten to leave, he didn't force milan to pay up or lose me, not that we know off.
Who knows he really wants to play for madrid? Winning actual trophies and getting paid more while joining the top football club in the world (as much as we don't like madrid)
Besides, if he really wants to leave for madrid signing that contract would only mean milan getting huge money, which is also greed on Milan part.
As for raiola, he's paid by the players, his allegiance is to the player, not the fans nor the club. He honor his player contract, what else can he do? Advise donna to stay at milan against his wish, rejecting potential higher income?
Time to change thread title again :d
Milan still don't have an agreement with Raiola for Donnarumma, and for this reason have started contact other goalkeepers.
Milan still don't have an agreement with Raiola for Donnarumma, and for this reason have started contact other goalkeepers.
Of course you can blame players for trying to get as much money as possible. What they should be looking for is a long, satisfying career in a healthy environment that allows them to live a good life. Incting death threats for being a money grabbing wanker is not the way to do that. Life and careers are about so much more than money. An agent's job is supposed to be to help him achieve his career ambitions, but most agents simply help them achieve one particular ambition which serves their own interests - £££££££££.
You can do all that by achieving more money. Whatever might be everyone's opinion on agent, he does what he is told by his player. His clients Zlatan, Pogba, Lukaku all had good careers or good path for great careers.
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