Most of the top Italian players don’t really play abroad do they? They tend to get hoovered up by Juventus etc.
I’ve no doubt had De Rossi, Del Piero, Buffon, Chiellini etc had left Italy in the last 15-20 years they’d have done well.
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Most of the top Italian players don’t really play abroad do they? They tend to get hoovered up by Juventus etc.
I’ve no doubt had De Rossi, Del Piero, Buffon, Chiellini etc had left Italy in the last 15-20 years they’d have done well.
We need strikers who multiply the effect of our entire forwardline.
La vita e’ bella (life is good) in Italy, you know? For footballers, as affluent young men, even more. The only European, non-Latin attractive country is Germany to us, because of long-tail immigration and commerce.
You mean he was practically a grandad then
If you're a rich Italian, what on earth would convince you to move to the UK, a country in which 75% of the population think a caper is some sort of sardine?
It's the food that keeps the best Italians in Italy, I'm sure of it!
I can't remember any Italian striker who smashed it in the prem recently
Does Jorginho not exist? Pretty sure he's an example of of an Italian player succeeding in PL. Don't care that he was born in Brazil, he had played in Italy professionally until joining Chelsea.
There are plenty of Italian players who have succeeded abroad though. Verratti, Donnarumma, Jorginho are all doing fine abroad.
Watch serie A regularly so i have watched him a decent amount especially this season. Aggressive, good hold up, great technique for such a tall lad, capable of spectacular. Been really good this season for Sassuolo all things considered. Key player for them in attack alongside Raspadori and Berardi. Coming on his own as a striker this season. Kind of a late bloomer you can say, still 23 though I think.
Having said all that, he has the all the right tools but he still has to put all the ingredients together to become a 20 goal striker, if we were looking a back up or a different option from the bench I would put him as the no. 1 striker to buy. Not saying he can’t be the lead striker for a top club in the future, he really can, trust me the lad really has the potential. But to play for a big club at this moment as a lead striker I won’t sign him. If Ronaldo stays, I would buy him. That would work fantastically. Value ? - £30-40m based on my judgement of him.
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It says a lot that you can name one guy and he isn't even Italian.
Why do you think that is comparable to the parade of names coming from other similar countries?
So from reading this thread I've learned he's either the Italian Zlatan or the Italian Peter Crouch. Got it.
Also I still find it amusing how someone's nationality has a bearing on how well they'd do in the Premier league, as if genetics plays a part in how someone adapts to English football
We used to claim that Argentine footballers were a no go based on our lack of success with them, but then City sign a few really good ones and put that notion to bed.
We used to claim that Argentine footballers were a no go based on our lack of success with them, but then City sign a few really good ones and put that notion to bed.
Also I still find it amusing how someone's nationality has a bearing on how well they'd do in the Premier league, as if genetics plays a part in how someone adapts to English football
We used to claim that Argentine footballers were a no go based on our lack of success with them, but then City sign a few really good ones and put that notion to bed.
I think a reluctance to move abroad and propensity to homesickness would be cultural rather than genetic, but whatever.
There are barely any Italian players currently playing in the PL. Even if most of them aren't willing to move outside Italy but Scamacca is, I don't see the relevance here. It's just a lazy and dumb take in these discussions. Discuss the merit of the player and whether he's interested in coming here, and leave it at that.It says a lot that you can name one guy and he isn't even Italian.
Why do you think that is comparable to the parade of names coming from other similar countries?
Yep. Aguero ended up being arguably the greatest player in Manchester City's history, and he basically gave them his entire prime. And we'll still have people here not wanting to sign an Argentinian based on past history.Also I still find it amusing how someone's nationality has a bearing on how well they'd do in the Premier league, as if genetics plays a part in how someone adapts to English football
We used to claim that Argentine footballers were a no go based on our lack of success with them, but then City sign a few really good ones and put that notion to bed.
There are certainly not plenty compared to other nationalities. Jorginho didn't move to Italy until he was 15 years old, it's not the same as someone born and raised there. It's funny that you had to reach for a brazilian to try to prove your point.
It’s down to personality. The PL has hosted plenty of stars from all corners of the planet. Being concerned about Italian signings is a bit of an odd one for me. Di Canio and Zola seemed to have done alright.
Yes hip surgery just around the corner.
Yes, but how man top Italian players have plyed in the premiership that werent past there peak? Most of the top players have been ageing like Vialli, Lombardo, Panucci and majority of the rest have been average players. But I do think you can add Benito Carbone, Jprghino, Ravanelli and even Balotelli to a degree as players that did well. I can only tink of Santon (who was overhyped anway) and Materazzi as good players that really flopped, have been lots of average players done pretty well
I'm reaching by giving an Italian NT player as an example? Meanwhile, you're doing what exactly?
What is your point again? That Italians can't succeed in England because there aren't many of them here?
Argentina had Mascherano Tevez Romero Buendia, the Tottenham Cb, otamendi, Aston Villa GK,Heinze just off the top of my mind, Lamela, Aguero
I don't think the Argentinian player adaptability scare is anywhere level of Italian ones personally when it comes to the PL.
In the 90’s you had the likes of Vialli, Zola, Ravanelli etc who all did pretty well. Less successfully there was the likes of Benito Carboné and Massimo Macarone.
More recently there was Pelle, and that chap at Southampton who scored a brace against us in the league cup final Gabbiadini. They were both decent but not sure if you’d define them as ‘smashing it’.
They are desperate to sell him offering him everywhere
Really bad
For real? Still finding his feet, not all that good or doesn't suit Allegri's tactics?
I'm reaching by giving an Italian NT player as an example? Meanwhile, you're doing what exactly?
What is your point again? That Italians can't succeed in England because there aren't many of them here?
I already made my point very clear in previous posts, don't be obtuse. Italians don't travel as well, there are far fewer success stories than other nationalities. There is more than enough evidence for this. That's not to say that we should rule out signing italian players entirely, but the risk needs to be managed. That's just smart business, if you fail to take risk of failure into account when spending tens of millions on a player you are not a good businessman.
If an interesting italian player from serie a is available for a cut price due to having 1 year left on his contract, or available on a free transfer, I would consider taking a punt. I wouldn't spend big money on one though due to the risk of the player failing to adapt, if he wants to return to italy after 1 or 2 years after flopping we will lose a lot of money on the deal as italian clubs aren't exactly flush with cash. United in our current position cannot afford more expensive flops, we need to get our transfers spot on moving forward.
I like the sound of this guy. Sounds like very good back up for Ronny.
Probably a combination of finding his feet and tactics. It's not really suiting Allegri's tactics but more Allegri's tactics makes it hard for attackers to do well.
I watch Sassuolo when M.Henrique plays but I can't say I've noticed him bar his tattoos.
M.Henrique has started today so I'll probably watch their game, and I'll keep an eye out for this chap.
M.Henrique has started today so I'll probably watch their game, and I'll keep an eye out for this chap.
Finally somebody who points this out. I'm going mad over this
Spain and Portugal are pretty awesome
Not really. He's exactly as he was at Fiorentina. People just got blown away by the numbers(which if you take out penalties are identical to what they were with Fiore) and didn't actually bother to see how good he actually was...
Nope. The only difference between Vlahovic at Fiorentina and Vlahovic at Juventus is he hasn't taken any penalties for the gobbos
Scamacca: at the moment, picture Abraham, bigger, stronger, slower, better finisher, slightly worse all around player, younger.
Worse all around player than Tammy Abraham? Yikes.
We’ve come full circle to battering ram striker. I’m not against it but I’m wary our “wingers” won’t and don’t work well enough to supply and play off this kind of player.
Ravanelli, Festa, Carbone
Abraham has been really good in Italy. Very well rounded player, mobile, combines well, moves well, good hold up play, the works
Isn't Raspadori better?
The only reason I could get excited about this is that in PES there might finally be another Shot Power: Adriano 
Tammy Abraham is pretty great all around.
From what I’ve read, most of the top Italian clubs are in for him but feel he’s too expensive at circa €40m. I’m picturing the classic FM scout report - ‘avoid signing, too many doubts about this player’.
From what I have seen he isn't. He is probably at least better suited to the PL.
Gobbos? I don't know what that means. But he will have had to adjust tactically since Italiano and Allergi play different football.
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