Gianluca Scamacca

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Really like the look of him, also love the idea of a big man up top with a good touch.
 
Looks technically better than Nunez and available for cheaper too. Makes too much sense for us.
 
Getting linked with every Tom, Dick and Gianluca this month.

Think no one has a clue who we actually want.
 
Varun1 said:
How's Vlahovic doing at Juve?
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I'd say well, 7/10 for me, without counting pens he scores the same amount of goals he did with Fiorentina. He can still improve in some things, like his clumsiness at times, but he also needs better service. About Scamacca, he's good but i think a bit overrated, he's got good technical ability, but still lacks other things. Also, he's slow.
 
I have this weird thing when I think of Italian strikers, I always think they're at least 30 years old when they get any good.
 
He looks really good. Have never seen him play, just watch the youtube video but seems to have alot of good traits.

Hold up, passing and his shot looks unreal.

I would rather spend £40m on him than £60m on an overrated Nunez.
 
Looks massive, tbf. Can't remember the last true hold-up striker we've had? Does Zlatan really count?
 
Seems to be highly rated as he has both a presence and technical quality from what I understand. Surprised not to see any links. Is he a bit slow?
 
He scored zero goals in 8 appearances two years ago on loan in the Dutch league. Not exactly impressive. Another Belotti or Ciro Immobile?
 
Haven't watched even a second of him play but the word on him seems to be good.
 
He's a big old unit that's for sure. His goalscoring record is not fantastic. Not sure how that'd work unless we can get more out of our current composition in terms of output. You have to have plenty of goals in a side, if everyone is a one in three or four man you're asking for trouble.
 
Not seen Scamacca, but Nunez is not worth anything like the money. Has an Italian ever done well at United, though? I can’t think of one.
 
Fans seriously underrating Nunez. Feel he'll hit it off whoever he signs for ,if he were to leave Benfica this summer.
 
Rocksy said:
Not seen Scamacca, but Nunez is not worth anything like the money. Has an Italian ever done well at United, though? I can’t think of one.
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Only really had Darmian and Taibi to be fair.
Also Macheda & Rossi.

When it comes to Italian strikers moving to England, we should always remember Bianchi, Grabbi, Maccarone, Cutrone, Kean, Branca, Boriello, Paloschi, Okaka, Osvaldo, Trotta, Zaza. etc etc...
 
First heard him being linked to us from statman dave.

He came out very high on the pressing stats which was surprising given he's a big lad.

seems like a decent target man too.

I'd be happy to try him or Nunez.
 
Marotta is reportedly trying very hard to bring him to Inter.

One could do worse than simply trying to sign every player that Marotta really likes.
 
None of the CFs we've been linked to have particularly outstanding goal returns (bar Nunez' which are unsustainable).

But then the same could be said for most of the CFs in league. Aside from Ronaldo on 20 goals (if we're counting him as a CF) you have Kane on 13, Toney on 12, Vardy on 10, and so on. Liverpool flicking between Jota and Mane on 15 and 14 each respectively. And then City with no CF and their top scorers being KDB and Mahrez on 11 goals.

As long as they help the team function better overall (in whatever fashion) then they don't need to be 20 league goal a season monsters. It's just a question of which of the many options we've been linked with will help the team function better overall based on how we want to set up.
 
Ali Dia said:
I think with darwin you’re paying quite a bit extra because of his European experience.
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And goals. I think we do get a bit carried away with other things at times. You pay a lot when strikers put a ball in the net often, ultimately. Young + good season + goals is always going to be a pretty desirable combination and fairly costly. This guy has some question marks against his ability to do that. People will soon get fed up of a big man with a nice touch when we can't put sides away.

I'd rather put my money down on Nunez on paper. But I guess this is why we have scouts. To assess who is value and project forward.
 
Haven't seen much at all of him, if anything, but I'm not seeing anything in his raw numbers at least that would make it seem that he'd be ready for such a big step up. One in three or four in Serie A is nothing at all to write home about, and then you add to that that he's the only one in the top 10 scorers this season who hasn't managed a single assist.

Then you consider that very, very few Italian players seem to go abroad and pull up any trees anywhere else - I must be missing somebody, but I'm struggling to think of more than Verratti in the last 20 years... I suppose Luca Toni knocked in a few during a couple of years at Bayern?

Not for me, Clive.
 
Oranges038 said:
Only really had Darmian and Taibi to be fair.
Also Macheda & Rossi.

When it comes to Italian strikers moving to England, we should always remember Bianchi, Grabbi, Maccarone, Cutrone, Kean, Branca, Boriello, Paloschi, Okaka, Osvaldo, Trotta, Zaza. etc etc...
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I remember Pelle & Gabbiadini, both played at Southampton.

In the last 5 years or so, I can't remember any prominent Italian players aside from Chelsea's Jorginho.
 
If you could blend half Abraham with half Crouch and shake, then you would probably have Scamacca. :D
 
Reminds me a lot of Joelinton in the way he plays.
 
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I remember Pelle & Gabbiadini, both played at Southampton.

In the last 5 years or so, I can't remember any prominent Italian players aside from Chelsea's Jorginho.
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Both were 1 in 3 / 1 in 4 strikers.

Aside from Jorginho who is really Brazilian.

When you go back and look how many Italians have actually done well Zola, Di Canio, Di Matteo? Maybe Cudicini.
 
Shuddering at the thought of McManaman or Carragher pronouncing his surname.
 
I always find it weird when people use the track record of other players of the transfer target's nationality, to dismiss said transfer target. How many Polish great success stories have there been in the Premier league? Does that mean you would have turned down Lewandowski before he became a world class striker in Bundesliga? Talent is talent, the player's nationality or what his compatriots did previously in the league is completely irrelevant. Now I don't know much about Scamacca, so this is not to advocate for his signing, but just a general point. If you haven't really seen him play, then using the "oh Italian strikers/players haven't had much success in PL" argument is just extremely lazy.
 
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I always find it weird when people use the track record of other players of the transfer target's nationality, to dismiss said transfer target. How many Polish great success stories have there been in the Premier league? Does that mean you would have turned down Lewandowski before he became a world class striker in Bundesliga? Talent is talent, the player's nationality or what his compatriots did previously in the league is completely irrelevant. Now I don't know much about Scamacca, so this is not to advocate for his signing, but just a general point. If you haven't really seen him play, then using the "oh Italian strikers/players haven't had much success in PL" argument is just extremely lazy.
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Yeah couldn't agree more. It can be a factor to consider but dismissing based off nationality or league is not smart.
 
DarkXaero said:
I always find it weird when people use the track record of other players of the transfer target's nationality, to dismiss said transfer target. How many Polish great success stories have there been in the Premier league? Does that mean you would have turned down Lewandowski before he became a world class striker in Bundesliga? Talent is talent, the player's nationality or what his compatriots did previously in the league is completely irrelevant. Now I don't know much about Scamacca, so this is not to advocate for his signing, but just a general point. If you haven't really seen him play, then using the "oh Italian strikers/players haven't had much success in PL" argument is just extremely lazy.
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Polish players haven't done well because there aren't many great Polish players. There have been tonnes of great Italian players over the last 20 years, and for whatever reason, very few of them move abroad, and when they do, very few of those are a success.

Compare that to countries that produce a similar level of talent in the same timeframe, and most of them have plenty of success stories in other leagues - Spain (Silva, Fabregas, Xabi Alonso, Azpilicueta, Torres, Thiago, Martinez), Germany (Kroos, Ozil, Gundogan, Rudiger, ter Stegen), France (probably too many to list). Even England who also generally have a bad reputation for players going abroad can claim a decent few (McManaman, Beckham, Sancho, Bellingham, Hargreaves, Trippier).

Italy really does seem to be a big outlier on that score, and it seems like too big of a discrepancy between them and others to be purely a coincidence.
 
That Pelle fella was pretty decent for Southampton. He didn't scream quality or that a big club should buy him but he probably stated the case for the Italian target man well enough. Football has moved on very quickly, however. Whether this type of player would translate to the league and more specifically to a side at the higher end at this point would be interesting to see.
 
DarkXaero said:
I always find it weird when people use the track record of other players of the transfer target's nationality, to dismiss said transfer target. How many Polish great success stories have there been in the Premier league? Does that mean you would have turned down Lewandowski before he became a world class striker in Bundesliga? Talent is talent, the player's nationality or what his compatriots did previously in the league is completely irrelevant. Now I don't know much about Scamacca, so this is not to advocate for his signing, but just a general point. If you haven't really seen him play, then using the "oh Italian strikers/players haven't had much success in PL" argument is just extremely lazy.
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I don't agree that it's completely irrelevant, there is clearly something unique about italian culture which makes it difficult for players to adapt when they go abroad, hence the very few italian success stories compared to other nationalities. French players for example are a much safer bet and the numbers bear that out.
 
Abraxas said:
And goals. I think we do get a bit carried away with other things at times. You pay a lot when strikers put a ball in the net often, ultimately. Young + good season + goals is always going to be a pretty desirable combination and fairly costly. This guy has some question marks against his ability to do that. People will soon get fed up of a big man with a nice touch when we can't put sides away.

I'd rather put my money down on Nunez on paper. But I guess this is why we have scouts. To assess who is value and project forward.
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that’s what I mean yes. As weird as it sounds scouting is just placing a bet on another human. Unless under pressure to act on a gut instinct a good gambler will take every scrap of detail available before taking a punt. Using a racing analogy, Darwin is much more exposed than this fella due to his current body of work. Shorter odds with a greater chance of success but as we’ve seen with all these mega transfers over the last few years - odds on shots lose all the time. The only way to be profitable and find value is to figure out what value actually is to your club and act accordingly. There can be major value in an odds on shot (Ronaldo to Real) or slightly longer odds (Haaland to Salzburg) or long odds VVD to Southampton or Kante//Mahrez to Leicester. All of these transfers were amazing value. It just depends how little of a sure thing you’re willing to put your money on. Hopefully our recruitment can start mining the market using a different approach. Always doing the obvious and taking too long to fix major problems is why we are where we are and why we are being ripped off left right and centre
 
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