Nasri's had plenty starts and been pants in most of them including the last two v Arsenal. Getting in ahead of Milner or Johnson shouldn't be too taxing for a £25M player.
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You think Gervinho's a better player?
Gervinho isn't but he's performed marginally better this season.
No, he's been a lot better. We got six good months out of Nasri, City are getting feck all.
I haven't watched Nasri much this season but he was better than Gervinho the other night. Gervinho hasn't impressed me at all. Real head down player. No idea what's going on around him.
Nasri was very poor against Arsenal, probably vying for worst player on the pitch until Arshavin turned up.
That's a really back-handed compliment...
He has what's required to be a very good player.Yes he is clumsy, yes and his decision in the final third is usually shit but I think he'll get there.He's so with running with the ball.
He needs to strengthen athletically and open up his mind.
He needs to strengthen athletically and open up his mind.
I like him. He'll only get better and his directness is impressive, which is something they've lacked on the wings at times over the years.
Nasri is clearly the technically superior player, by quite a distance too. But there's no denying that Nasri has been disappointing for City, to the extent he no longer merits regular starts. In comparison, Gervinho has been scoring and assisting for Arsenal with enough regularity to oust an underperforming Arshavin from the side and is probably one of Arsenal's best players so far this year.
There's a mental image I didn't need.
He is shite. Waste of time.
Yep, pretty much exactly how I feel.
I think he's saying Gervinho needs to experiment with acid and/or Buddhism.
Well he's done as well as any of the five WAMs who went to top 6 clubs in the close season and better than Downing, Young, Nasri despite being new to the league and costing a good deal less in transfer fee and wages.
Last season you Arsenal fans(including Mac) were contesting that Nasri is better than Nani, but now suddenly he's not at Arsenal, he has turned into a worse player than Gervinho. Oh and He's not better than Young or Nasri, not a chance even though I think Nasri and Young are both over-rated
Last season during his purple patch he was, this season he's been shit and Gervo has been better than him, Young or Downing.
If you're talking about on form, then yes Gervinho has been in better form than Young and Nasri. Overall though, Gervinho isn't better than Young and Nasri. Not yet, anyway.
I'm not sure I'd agree. Correct me if I'm wrong because I don't watch Arsenal every week. Form-wise, it seems to me that Gervo started off poor but has improved, whereas Young started off brilliantly but has deteriorated. I think overall they're probably on a par if you take the whole season into consideration.
Well in his first game instead of getting a penalty after being tripped, he was manhandled then sent off, then banned for 3 games. He's been on the up since then. Young's sunny end-of-summer days seem a long way off now it's Xmas.
Really, I must have forgotten about that. I remember Frimpong being sent off very early in the season, but I'm drawing a blank on Gervinho.
He got sent off for raising his arms and slapping Joey Barton. From what I remember it wasn't a clear cut penalty decision. This was around the time when Arsenal were having a player sent off every game.
Not a chance he's been better than Mata this season pete, come on. He's a good player in the same league as Young and with the potential to be better but he's clearly a class below Mata and Nasri. I bet he drives you mental with how poorly he uses the ball you just don't want to comment on that side of things.
Ahhh yes, thanks FlawlessThaw, the mention of Barton has brought it all back to me.
Seriously, Pete... It's getting a bit tedious.
He's a decent player, but he's got no composure, awareness or intelligence - his pace is the making of him. A step below pretty much every good quality winger or attacking midfielder in this league.
He's a decent player, but he's got no composure, awareness or intelligence - his pace is the making of him. A step below pretty much every good quality winger or attacking midfielder in this league.
Nasri went through a bizzare purple patch making people think he's been world class all along.
Some say players have to do it for 2 or 3 seasons to enter that bracket, Nasri did it for half and people were wanking themselves blind. Of course City being the new Real would use this as justification to splash out a ridiculous sum of money on him.
The moral of this story is Nani > Spasri.
oh and Nasri is better than Gervinho but he's not been playing like it this season. Even Mancini has recently asked him to step his game up.
I agree. Nasri has never a full good season, he always has a purple patch but fails to deliver when the team matters most.
Sounds like a lot of Arsenal players who looked like world beaters for a short patch.
Performances are what we're assessing here. Mata's a much more technically accomplished player but he's been poor in quite a few games (as is Nasri but he's been rubbish).
Mata's been quiet a few times but rarely as poor as I've seen Gervinho, and he's been more influential than I've seen Gervinho on the other side of it. Nasri's just been poor all round following a good (but short) start. Performance-wise it seems an obvious win for Mata and ability-wise it's an obvious win for them both. I don't disagree he's probably been better than Young though. Downing doesn't factor into it, he's just an expensive squad player while the others are all supposed to be regular first-team.
Gervinho has been decent at best. He can beat an opponent. Deceptively quick and you can see the potential there. He's got to be one of the most frustrating players in terms of finishing chances or just making a simple decision in the final third. The amount of tweets my brother has devoted to slating Gervinho for all the easy chances he's missed is quite numerous.
Like other people have said, he's a head down player at the mo and when he gets to final third sometimes, it's like he's a deer just stuck looking at an oncoming car's headlights. Just seems to freeze up and make some strange decisions. We can definitely see the talent but he's got some aspects of his game he needs to sharpen. As of now, he just strikes me as a player that isn't quite sure what he's doing (esp in the final third) and he doesn't look particularly settled. Maybe come the end of the season, he'll be better but I think pete is going a bit OTT.
You talk about assessing performances but fail to comment where Gervinho has had some poor games.
Like other people have said, he's a head down player at the mo and when he gets to final third sometimes, it's like he's a deer just stuck looking at an oncoming car's headlights. Just seems to freeze up and make some strange decisions. We can definitely see the talent but he's got some aspects of his game he needs to sharpen. As of now, he just strikes me as a player that isn't quite sure what he's doing (esp in the final third) and he doesn't look particularly settled. Maybe come the end of the season, he'll be better but I think pete is going a bit OTT.
You talk about assessing performances but fail to comment where Gervinho has had some poor games.
Fkinell what have players new to this league now got to do ? Come straight in and start scoring from the off ala van Persie
He's stepped up I'd say a couple of levels going to the higher reaches of the PL from the French league, where space is at a premium and chances are fleeting and have to be taken full advantage of. For me he'll take a good full season to get on the pace, to think quicker, to bodily impose himself, think 'team' instead of 'self'.
Nearly all imports have to do this. Its rare indeed to see anybody do what Hernandez did last season and this current injury notwithstanding, he seems to be suffering a bit of '2nd season blues'.
For me I can see some good pace, dribbling ability and can lay off a ball when he gets his eyes up but I do think it will take more time to make a serious judgement on the player. I feels he gets nervous and could do with a 'dose of composure' pouring over his rather large forehead
Unlike Pete's inane and nonsensical judgments Nasri has not been shit, he's not been at the heights from say a year ago but he's at a more competitive club and has not been given imo his right role to play, when he does play but a blind fool can see he's an absolutely class act as is Mata who's already shown what an asset he will / is to become
I might actually agree with the 'normally dumb gooner' that Young is not the player many think he is. Just an opinion Ive always held for years about him at Villa, very patchy 'in front' type of player for me who will flit in and out with bits of brilliance now and again. I doubt he'll hit two goals like he did in the 8-2 in his entire Utd career let alone one game.
He's stepped up I'd say a couple of levels going to the higher reaches of the PL from the French league, where space is at a premium and chances are fleeting and have to be taken full advantage of. For me he'll take a good full season to get on the pace, to think quicker, to bodily impose himself, think 'team' instead of 'self'.
Nearly all imports have to do this. Its rare indeed to see anybody do what Hernandez did last season and this current injury notwithstanding, he seems to be suffering a bit of '2nd season blues'.
For me I can see some good pace, dribbling ability and can lay off a ball when he gets his eyes up but I do think it will take more time to make a serious judgement on the player. I feels he gets nervous and could do with a 'dose of composure' pouring over his rather large forehead
Unlike Pete's inane and nonsensical judgments Nasri has not been shit, he's not been at the heights from say a year ago but he's at a more competitive club and has not been given imo his right role to play, when he does play but a blind fool can see he's an absolutely class act as is Mata who's already shown what an asset he will / is to become
I might actually agree with the 'normally dumb gooner' that Young is not the player many think he is. Just an opinion Ive always held for years about him at Villa, very patchy 'in front' type of player for me who will flit in and out with bits of brilliance now and again. I doubt he'll hit two goals like he did in the 8-2 in his entire Utd career let alone one game.
Even if he has been poor in a few games, it's still nonsensical to suggest that Gervinho has been better than him, because there have been plenty of games where Mata has played well and delivered for Chelsea.
Can you really say the same about Gervinho? Looking at him this season, I don't really know if he's produced one performances that suggests he's a quality player and one that's anywhere near the level of Mata as a footballer.
Chelsea will look at Mata as a key player who can influence games for them, and change the final outcome. At the moment, Gervinho doesn't look to me like a player who will be able to do the same for Arsenal.
You're looking at reputation/technique again like others in this thread rather than what's been happening on the pitch.
He's the kind of player who can do a superb thing in one moment, and look like a retarded sunday league player the next moment.
He still looks very raw - he should have 8 or 9 league goals rather than the 3 he's got. But he runs at defenders and they don't like it.
No, I'm not. I'm looking at how both have performed this season, and Mata has been the far better of the two. How can you even try to deny that he is a crucial player for Arsenal?