Geovany Quenda - Summer 2025

[bosskeano]

Tell me this is a kid we shouldn't be signing. He's everything we need down the right side. Trickery, pace, able to beat a man easily. His end product might not be there yet, but he's 17 and to be fair if you watch that video he does actually put in some great balls and crosses.

he's miles better than antony

 

[Wrecking ralf]

Starts tonight in the cup

 

[bond19821982]

Heaven isn't anywhere near ready.

I know. but I am saying that's what's going to happen. We aren't going to spend on a LCB when Martinez and Heaven is still here .

Also read thst Heaven has been given assurance of a first team chance soon.

 

[Remember the geese]

I know. but I am saying that's what's going to happen. We aren't going to spend on a LCB when Martinez and Heaven is still here .

Also read thst Heaven has been given assurance of a first team chance soon.

We'll sign a centre back of some description in the summer. It could well be Branthwaite, who is left sided.

Based on what I've seen, Heaven looks a good footballer, but lacking in defensive instincts. Will be interesting to see how he gets on if he's given a chance. I think he's miles off.

 

[RuudTom83]

Looking at it from the player pov there is very little reason to join United at the moment.

Plus Amorim will find it very hard to see Christmas at the rate. If Quenda‘s reason for coming is the manager then maybe he should wait another year.

 

[Foolsgold21]

We'll sign a centre back of some description in the summer. It could well be Branthwaite, who is left sided.

Based on what I've seen, Heaven looks a good footballer, but lacking in defensive instincts. Will be interesting to see how he gets on if he's given a chance. I think he's miles off.

Personally think we have at least 4 other priorities (Striker, Keeper, Centre midfield, wing back) over another new centre back.

You can obviously make a strong case (as you can for every position)

 

[DonBecks]

It does feel a bit like Garnacho might go still.

I'd be amazed if he isn't sold.

 

[andersj]

he's miles better than antony

He got pace and power. Big difference.

Find it hard to believe we can get him.

 

[Gentleman Jim]

Heaven isn't anywhere near ready.

Heaven Can Wait.

 

[RikRuud]

Left footed too. Makes sense why Amorim tried Dorgu on the right side in the first game. Would be interestingt o see how Amad and potentially Quenda would work on the right, both being left footed. Although Amad does like getting to the touch line.

 

[Trex]

Left footed too. Makes sense why Amorim tried Dorgu on the right side in the first game. Would be interestingt o see how Amad and potentially Quenda would work on the right, both being left footed. Although Amad does like getting to the touch line.

I saw some nice link in the few times Antony was at right wingback and Amad was at right 10. So hopefully similar but on a bigger level.

 

[Xeque_279]

So how do we line up if we get him?
Dorgu, Garnacho on the left, Quenda, Amad on the right ? or is Garnacho leaving?

Will most probably be Bruno instead of Garna or a new LAM. Garna and Amad will very seldom play together.

Dorgu - Heaven - Maguire - Yoro - Quenda

Will probably be our defence.

Pretty sure we will add a strong physical midfielder to partner Ugarte and a striker .

De Ligt will start over Maguire.

 

[ATXRedDevil]

Yes, but surely Quenda is not the only alternative to Dalot. We should easily be able to buy a proven LWB for under 40m and move Dorgu to RWB. We don’t have to spend 50m on a talented but very unproven player.

Sell Dalot and buy Quenda and Doughty. Latter will be cheap when Luton get relegated and he’s a proven, proper LWB in his mid 20s. Quenda, Dorgu and Doughty as the main wingbacks with Amad (prefer him as one of the AMs) and Leon able to play for the wingback roles.
Dalot’s probably one of our easier payers to sell given his age. Experience and wage. Should be able to get around £25-30m for him. Hopefully get a few million for Malacia. Reckon Quenda and Doughty would be ~£50m. Wing back sorted.

 

[Kingslayer18]

The physical and athletic profile has to be raised significantly in the CB and deeper midfield positions for the team to make a big improvement going forward.

You can compromise on physicality and athleticism in certain positions but you won't get away with a lack of pace, power and athleticism in the central areas of the pitch which are occupied by the CBs and midfielders.

Those central areas are absolutely crucial to how the game is controlled and contained in and out of possession.

Totally agree on this Adnan. Until we improve the athleticism in the midfield and Defence, with wide CBs who have the pace and mobility to defend wide spaces, we are not going anywhere in the league. Neither Martinez, Maguire or De Ligt are the best for this. De Ligt can be played as the CCB but lacks the progressive passing ideally needed in that role. in your opinion, do you think we need to upgrade the LCB in this summer window given Martinez's injuries and lack of cover there, I'm thinking Dean Huijsen, Jorrell Hato or Branthwaite or is a RCB like Diomande or Scalvini more important?

In midfield, other than Ederson and Angelo Stiller, are there any other profiles you think we should be paying attention to for these roles. I like the look of 2 young CMs coming out of France, Amadou Kone (Baleba regen) and Ayyoub Bouaddi. Bouaddi in particular seems to be the defensive playmaker we have been crying out for and has the potential to be world class.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

We'll sign a centre back of some description in the summer. It could well be Branthwaite, who is left sided.

Based on what I've seen, Heaven looks a good footballer, but lacking in defensive instincts. Will be interesting to see how he gets on if he's given a chance. I think he's miles off.

We would be insane to sign a CB this summer. It’s literally the least of our worries. We desperately need fire power. That starts with a striker but we also desperately need a new number 10 as well as a wide man/wing back. All need to be able to score goals.

 

[Escobar]

I think i have come full circle on this signing and think we shouldn't sign him at least this summer. We should let him play another season or two before we sign him. Reasons as follows:

- Other positions should be prioritized first. Get the spine in order before we get the frills. Striker, #10, CM, GK all should be addressed before we write a 50m cheque for a RWB.
- Not sufficiently proven for the price that has been quoted
- If he fails, he will be to Amorim what Antony is to ETH

He can also play as a winger and unlike Antony is superiorly talented. It has always been our goal to get the most talented young players, and he's one of them.
For Amorim's system to work, we badly need him as much as we need a GK or CM, especially since we let go Antony, Rashford and Sancho.

 

[Still ill]

We would be insane to sign a CB this summer. It’s literally the least of our worries. We desperately need fire power. That starts with a striker but we also desperately need a new number 10 as well as a wide man/wing back. All need to be able to score goals.

I agree that normally the spine is where you start but with this system, the wing backs are possibly the most crucial positions, no? Already you can see the difference it makes when Dorgu is attacking. Before the big dope got himself sent off and suspended.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

Personally with Onana's form, I can wait with Dalot, Mazroui, Amad at RWB until next January.

 

[red_de_pologne]

We would be insane to sign a CB this summer. It’s literally the least of our worries. We desperately need fire power. That starts with a striker but we also desperately need a new number 10 as well as a wide man/wing back. All need to be able to score goals.

I think we will. Lindelof, Evans are off, can't count Shaw as a player, Martinez possibly wont be back first half of next season.

That leaves Yoro, De Ligt, Maguire, Mazraoui and what, one youngster (Heaven) - for 3 positions for the season? Absolutely not enough to play 2 games a week.

 

[Remember the geese]

We would be insane to sign a CB this summer. It’s literally the least of our worries. We desperately need fire power. That starts with a striker but we also desperately need a new number 10 as well as a wide man/wing back. All need to be able to score goals.

I don't think we originally planned to sign a centre back this summer, but the injury to Martinez may have changed things.

 

[Insanity]

We would be insane to sign a CB this summer. It’s literally the least of our worries. We desperately need fire power. That starts with a striker but we also desperately need a new number 10 as well as a wide man/wing back. All need to be able to score goals.

We would be insane not to sign a fast paced CB. If you listen to the manager he has mentioned it multiple times our lack of one as a reason why we can't play a highline and resort to low block often. Maguire or de Ligt don't have the ability to cover spaces due to their lack of pace. If we want to become a team that plays on the front foot then it is paramount that we go and sign a CB who is good at covering spaces.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I don't think we originally planned to sign a centre back this summer, but the injury to Martinez may have changed things.

Think people are getting way too caught up in "oh we need a left footer so we have another LCB" when Yoro last game played as well as anyone in that spot. Would rather we just got a top athlete/technical CB regardless of where they prefer to play or what foot they favor instead of stressing about getting Branthwaite or something.

 

[Remember the geese]

Think people are getting way too caught up in "oh we need a left footer so we have another LCB" when Yoro last game played as well as anyone in that spot. Would rather we just got a top athlete/technical CB regardless of where they prefer to play or what foot they favor instead of stressing about getting Branthwaite or something.

I'm not really too bothered about Branthwaite. Though like you say, we need to upgrade the physical level. Martinez, Maguire and De Ligt aren't the quickest.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I'm not really too bothered about Branthwaite. Though like you say, we need to upgrade the physical level. Martinez, Maguire and De Ligt aren't the quickest.

Yeah just don't like when managers (Ten Hag) completely write off any targets for one of the CB spots just because they aren't left footed. I'm pretty sure a defense of Van Dijk's would be elite, just because one of them would have to play on the wrong side doesn't change that.

 

[Adnan]

Totally agree on this Adnan. Until we improve the athleticism in the midfield and Defence, with wide CBs who have the pace and mobility to defend wide spaces, we are not going anywhere in the league. Neither Martinez, Maguire or De Ligt are the best for this. De Ligt can be played as the CCB but lacks the progressive passing ideally needed in that role. in your opinion, do you think we need to upgrade the LCB in this summer window given Martinez's injuries and lack of cover there, I'm thinking Dean Huijsen, Jorrell Hato or Branthwaite or is a RCB like Diomande or Scalvini more important?

In midfield, other than Ederson and Angelo Stiller, are there any other profiles you think we should be paying attention to for these roles. I like the look of 2 young CMs coming out of France, Amadou Kone (Baleba regen) and Ayyoub Bouaddi. Bouaddi in particular seems to be the defensive playmaker we have been crying out for and has the potential to be world class.

It all depends on the coach as far as what he wants from his CBs and some coaches do prefer having CBs who are left footed to occupy the left hand side of the backline. I don't see that as a big issue and the recruitment should then focus on left footed players who fit the criteria as far as controlling the space in a higher line out of possession whilst also having the ability to be a threat in-possession in the build up phase.

I think the young Dutch CB you mention from Bournemouth (Huijsen) looks a very interesting young player. He's left footed and from what he's shown so far he looks very good on the ball, has a good turn of pace and is also aerially impressive. And he's still only 19 years old with further room develop and grow as a player. I think he would be my pick as the LCB. And someone like Ousmane Diomande would be my pick as the RCB/CCB.

I think the midfield requires a player or two who are ready to come straight into the team and make a impact. I think we have a number of young midfielders who look potentially very good. And imo it would be beneficial to sign a midfielder who the young players like Mainoo and potentially Sekou Kone can play with. Someone with the pace and power to provide a real presence in midfield and someone like Aurelien Tchouameni would be a good player to have if the opportunity presents itself. I think he's a player made for the EPL and would be the type of player we need to raise the level in midfield.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Why are the latest 5 or 6 posts in this thread about whether the club needs another CB or not, can you not do that elsewhere, this thread is to discuss Quenda.

 

[croadyman]

It all depends on the coach as far as what he wants from his CBs and some coaches do prefer having CBs who are left footed to occupy the left hand side of the backline. I don't see that as a big issue and the recruitment should then focus on left footed players who fit the criteria as far as controlling the space in a higher line out of possession whilst also having the ability to be a threat in-possession in the build up phase.

I think the young Dutch CB you mention from Bournemouth (Huijsen) looks a very interesting young player. He's left footed and from what he's shown so far he looks very good on the ball, has a good turn of pace and is also aerially impressive. And he's still only 19 years old with further room develop and grow as a player. I think he would be my pick as the LCB. And someone like Ousmane Diomande would be my pick as the RCB/CCB.

I think the midfield requires a player or two who are ready to come straight into the team and make a impact. I think we have a number of young midfielders who look potentially very good. And imo it would be beneficial to sign a midfielder who the young players like Mainoo and potentially Sekou Kone can play with. Someone with the pace and power to provide a real presence in midfield and someone like Aurelien Tchouameni would be a good player to have if the opportunity presents itself. I think he's a player made for the EPL and would be the type of player we need to raise the level in midfield.

Would simply have to win Europa to have any chance of signing Tchouameni, feel very similar about Osimhen as well. Initially agreed with some who say he's not a huge priority, but then I remembered how essential quality wing backs are for Ruben's system.

 

[criticalanalysis]

Amad has had good games at #10. It's also noteworthy that there have been a couple of times where he was having a quiet game, then we subbed Antony on at RWB behind him and Amad instantly started playing better and the two of them combined well. Which makes sense since when he's had Dalot or especially Mazraoui behind him he basically has to do everything himself and the defenders can double up on him. When the wingback is getting forward properly and the two of them can combine, it opens up more space and he can get 1v1 more often.

I've mentioned this a few times in Amad's and Dalot's thread but they've never really had a chance to play together. By my count it's less than 5 games of halves, which is a shame considering the potential it could have been after Dalot's form last season and his subsequent capitulation of late.

 

[Adnan]

Would simply have to win Europa to have any chance of signing Tchouameni, feel very similar about Osimhen as well. Initially agreed with some who say he's not a huge priority, but then I remembered how essential quality wing backs are for Ruben's system.

Wingbacks aren't any more important than what would be expected of wingers or fullbacks in a more traditional formation.

The most important positions in a system of play that aims to sacrifice defensive stability for goals with the aim of imposing their game on the opposition are the CBs and deeper midfielders. And the reason for that is quite simply because the two most important functions within a proactive system of play are the build up phase in possession from the back and then the ability to contain or control the game out of possession in a higher line against the opponent's transition.

And both of the above functions require the CBs and deeper midfielders to advance play in-possession while the same players will then be required to win their duels in larger space in a higher defensive line. If the players occupying those areas can't provide what I'm mentioning above, then it will stifle the team going forward. And it will allow the opponent to throw the spanner in the works via their game plan in a critical area of the pitch where their high press will be more effective due to our inability to progress play at a good enough level and they'll press from the front knowing full well that our inability to play out at a high level will have a detrimental effect on our press from the front because the those same positions won't be able to back up the high press by squeezing the pitch high up the pitch.

I'm all for Quenda and I think we do need to reinforce our wide attacking options since the departures of several players like Rashford, Antony and Sancho. But like I said above, for a proactive system of play to become visible on the pitch, we need players in the build up who can collectively progress the ball forward whilst also having the ability to extinguish the transition in a higher line when the space opens up against quick attackers when the opposition are looking to transition quickly.

The system takes shape from the back and through midfield if the aim is to play a more dominant brand of football. And the same players in the first two lines will then be expected to control the game without the ball out of possession in a higher line which will allow the forwards, attacking mids and wingbacks to commit forward in numbers and press from the front more effectively.

 

[OleGunnar20]

I think we will. Lindelof, Evans are off, can't count Shaw as a player, Martinez possibly wont be back first half of next season.

That leaves Yoro, De Ligt, Maguire, Mazraoui and what, one youngster (Heaven) - for 3 positions for the season? Absolutely not enough to play 2 games a week.

In an ideal world I agree, but with all the surgery needed on the squad I find it unlikely. Perhaps a free transfer in as cover, but money should be spent on: Striker, Goalkeeper, Wing Back & Midfield first in my opinion. Christ that's bleak to write down..

Heaven looked handy as you say - I wonder if there's anyone else in the youth teams who'd be ready to step up to fill that 5th CB role while Martinez is out. I don't keep a close enough eye these days to say really.

If it were my money to spend though I'd prioritise the above, and try to land a decent free transfer or loan for that cover role.