General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Morally easy to justify. Harder to explain is the diplomatic impact, the loss of income and the loss of jobs from BAE systems in Lancashire. If Labour can answer those well I'd cautiously be behind the policy, but I'm not convinced there will be any answer, never mind a good one.
We don't want to kill people in Yemen is pretty good answer to those questions.
 
I am totally disbelieving that Labour can deliver this land of milk and honey in the face of Brexit.
They won't win. Guess they're thinking they may as well propose stuff to reduce the gap.

Just watched Theresa May on the One Show. She just came across as boring, conservative and slightly awkward. Nothing of note was said or even asked, so I suppose not negatives there for her.
 
That's what I said initially though - the "taking out of tax" was more than offset by cuts in tax credits and other things like child benefit. I like the idea of the raising of the threshold but in terms of outcomes, at least over the coalition parliament, it wasn't good for those lower down. Though that chart does also show that the richest did pay a lot which is to be lauded.

On this new thing of removing tuition fees - just saw on the Guardian that it could cost £10bn, and surely there are better ways of spending that. The analysis of the Labour policy at the last election (reduce to 6k) showed it disproportionately benefited kids from higher up the income scale.
I'm actually quite confused by the scale. Where is the boost to the 1%'s following the reduction of the 50p tax rate? Is that really included in that far right bar?
 
What are the chances of Labour going up in the polls between now and polling day? Surely a 5-7% increase between now and election day can swing the election? Provided Jezza Corbyn campaigns well?
His campaigning will probably increase the troy majority.
 
You're not suggesting that would stop if we stopped selling Saudi arms are you?

It won't stop, but distancing ourselves from a reprehensible regime who are the antithesis of most of what our modern society believes would be fairly commendable.
 
I'm actually quite confused by the scale. Where is the boost to the 1%'s following the reduction of the 50p tax rate? Is that really included in that far right bar?
According to the site:
Unlike the other income decile groups, the richest tenth of households see an increase in direct taxes, mainly as a result of higher NICs rates, restrictions on tax relief on pension contributions, real cuts in the point at which the higher 40p rate of income tax starts to be applied. These more than offset the impact of the reduction in the additional rate of income tax from 50% to 45%, which gives a large benefit to a relatively small number of very high income individuals.

Also came across the IFS analysis of Labour's time in power:
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Bloody red Tories.
 
Morally easy to justify. Harder to explain is the diplomatic impact, the loss of income and the loss of jobs from BAE systems in Lancashire. If Labour can answer those well I'd cautiously be behind the policy, but I'm not convinced there will be any answer, never mind a good one.

You need a financial argument not to support such a regime?

Seems a double standard for arms sales and interventionism
 
You need a financial argument not to support such a regime?

Seems a double standard for arms sales and interventionism
If it was up to me I'd stop any deals with them immediately, but the financial/jobs argument is used by the unions. As with the nuclear debate, the unions don't always chime with Corbyn's politics.
 
I am totally disbelieving that Labour can deliver this land of milk and honey in the face of Brexit.
i think thats one of the biggest problems with Corbyn(other then most people hate him because he is two left wing) is that he's promesing the earth.
£10 an hour minimum wage, while eradicating zero hour contracts and delivering full employment, in the face of all the problems Breixt will bring and ever increasing Automation. Save the NHS, Remove Tuition fees, He's gonna build 200,000 house a year while protecting the environment.....

People keep saying its costed, but reading it it does feel a bit too good to be true and i'm a Corbyn supporter!
 
i think thats one of the biggest problems with Corbyn(other then most people hate him because he is two left wing) is that he's promesing the earth.
£10 an hour minimum wage, while eradicating zero hour contracts and delivering full employment, in the face of all the problems Breixt will bring and ever increasing Automation. Save the NHS, Remove Tuition fees, He's gonna build 200,000 house a year while protecting the environment.....

People keep saying its costed, but reading it it does feel a bit too good to be true and i'm a Corbyn supporter!

Don't forget abolishing tuition fees, walking away from trade with Saudi Arabia and making the country less attractive to big business to invest in.

It all sounds completely fanciful considering the huge economic challenges we face in the near future. It would even sound fanciful in the light of recent economic circumstances without the prospect of Brexit.
 
Don't forget abolishing tuition fees, walking away from trade with Saudi Arabia and making the country less attractive to big business to invest in.

It all sounds completely fanciful considering the huge economic challenges we face in the near future. It would even sound fanciful in the light of recent economic circumstances without the prospect of Brexit.
the worse part about that is I agree, I like Corbyn and i will be voting for him, but at times he does come across as naive.
 
The policies are costed so I don't think they are making it up on the fly so much as suffering from the occasional brain fart.

The Tories don't seem to be getting questioned to the same standard either.

Well they won't be by a Tory Cnut like Ferrari. LBC also employ Hartley-Brewer & Hopkins I believe.

''It was suggested in June 2006 by Conservative leader David Cameron that, if he joined the Conservative Party and put himself forward, Ferrari could win the ballot to be the party's candidate for Mayor of London''
 
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In 2015, Ferrari was investigated by Ofcom after he said on his radio programme that the November 2015 Paris attacks were "a Muslim problem" and told a Muslim caller to "go some place else" if the caller didn't agree with UK foreign policy. Ofcom found Ferrari not in breach of any broadcasting rules, saying "We found the caller was given an opportunity to rebuke Mr Ferrari’s offensive comments, while two other callers also challenged Nick Ferrari in strong terms. In addition, the presenter made clear that he was not characterising all Muslims as violent extremists"
 
Well they won't by a Tory Cnut like Ferrari. LBC also employ Hartley-Brewer & Hopkins I believe.

''It was suggested in June 2006 by Conservative leader David Cameron that, if he joined the Conservative Party and put himself forward, Ferrari could win the ballot to be the party's candidate for Mayor of London''

He very well may be a Tory but that the shadow education secretary went on his show without doing her basic homework after the Abbott debacle is really really shoddy and indicative of woeful incompetence from her team and Labour.
 
Not all Tories are cnuts btw, obviously. There are some decent folks over on that side of the divide - they are genuinely quite a 'broad church' - possibly more tolerant of the proper RW nutters than they ought to be though. Not helped by being in thrall to the neo-Liberal economics of heartfelt belief in the free market of course, the bellends.

I also think their message is easier to transmit to the non-interested or to the selfish, self-interested and / or plain old fashioned stupid.

(he posts in an ideologically superior Lefty way) <--- a previous point I had some agreement with, actually.
 
He very well may be a Tory but that the shadow education secretary went on his show without doing her basic homework after the Abbott debacle is really really shoddy and indicative of woeful incompetence from her team and Labour.

Yup, I do think Corbyn gets a much harsher time from the media than his Tory counterparts but that doesn't excuse basic incompetence when heading into interviews.
 
You are right... For some reason I used the 2008 figures.

I think it's wrong to only look those earning less than £6k though. Are we really saying that a family of four with only a dad working, who earns, £12k aren't poor?

I'm not defending Tory welfare cuts, just saying, it's not an out right attack on "the poor", but more Tories = tax and welfare cuts.

Where did I say they aren't poor. Just that the increase isn't helping a lot of those it's intended to help.

Yes the Tories are about tax cuts, and what they can't cut they privatise, because the people who own these newly privatised services are Tories
 
He very well may be a Tory but that the shadow education secretary went on his show without doing her basic homework after the Abbott debacle is really really shoddy and indicative of woeful incompetence from her team and Labour.

I saw her earlier on BBC Breakfast actually & thought that her & Abbot wouldn't be winning many hearts & minds in enemy territory, tbh.

I also thought she was quite a well-meaning good egg for want of a better way of describing it, whereas Abbot just seems to be in complete lunatic mode most of the time, just recently. I don't think DA has moved with the times all that much, so outside her comfort-zone / 'home constituency' in a general sense, is quite prone to flapping around cluelessly.
 
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Not all Tories are cnuts btw, obviously. There are some decent folks over on that side of the divide - they are genuinely quite a 'broad church' - possibly more tolerant of the proper RW nutters than they ought to be though. Not helped by being in thrall to the neo-Liberal economics of heartfelt belief in the free market of course, the bellends.

I also think their message is easier to transmit to the non-interested or to the selfish, self-interested and / or plain old fashioned stupid.

(he posts in an ideologically superior Lefty way) <--- a previous point I had some agreement with, actually.
They do some bloody good impressions then.

The Torygraph are fuming at what seems to be at least part of the Labour manifesto. Lovely stuff.
 
Bold bold policies. I mean, they are fantastic, and offer a lot of hope, but there must be something missing as there is no balancing whatsoever. It's a message I can get behind though, and hopefully it will resonate with voters more than fox hunting.
 
Meh, I'll just wait for the manifesto to be published before I start thinking about it too seriously.
 
No idea how it would be funded but scrapping tuition fees would win a lot of votes.

Not sure what to make of the proposed policies but definitely bold.
 
Anyway, Labour again providing a vision for what the UK could be like.

The problem is the electorate would rather hate poor people, the disabled, and immigrants.

What is wonderful (and terrible) now, is that if any Conservatives try to make the argument 'you can't do this, it would be fiscally disastrous' I can literally laugh them off with "Brexit"
 
Anyway, Labour again providing a vision for what the UK could be like.

The problem is the electorate would rather hate poor people, the disabled, and immigrants.

What is wonderful (and terrible) now, is that if any Conservatives try to make the argument 'you can't do this, it would be fiscally disastrous' I can literally laugh them off with "Brexit"
The electorate would rather pay less income tax, end of point.
 
To be honest I'm in favour of them going this way. The reheated Milibandism with a less liked leader that we'd seen so far was taking them towards a defeat somewhere in the teens, might as well at least try something a bit more radical and see if it gets you anywhere. They aren't trusted on the economy anyway so it's not like carrying on pretending to care about that was going to be a votewinner.
 
I am totally disbelieving that Labour can deliver this land of milk and honey in the face of Brexit.
Let's understand Brexit... Not a fecking thing has changed - compared to:
Bank of England: Carney (complcit with George Osborne (pre-BoE) re: US law v HSBC might.) The strength? Tory 1%ers.

Look at Osbornes last fart before vacating Chancellor of the ExChq... Quantative easing together with base rate of 0%.

Question: Where, if you were a bank with fecking greedy backers, would you invest oodles of dosh handed to you by a government with your intersts at heart? The 0% UK? Then... the pound. Oh dear! It's Brexit!

No. It's not. It's greedy fecking bankers!
 
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