So? He ran a campaign that obviously worked and turned what everyone and the polls thought would be the worst rout in electoral history into a hung parliament. A phenomenal result. If the SNP hadn't been nearly as arrogant as the Tories he could well have been PM by now.
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So? He ran a campaign that obviously worked and turned what everyone and the polls thought would be the worst rout in electoral history into a hung parliament. A phenomenal result. If the SNP hadn't been nearly as arrogant as the Tories he could well have been PM by now.
And whose fault was it that Labour polled so badly? That would be the same guy that didn't win them this election.
The medias in all honesty.
Look at the difference of the coverage now with May whoring herself to a potential terrorist party. Look at how a former ira member being in the tory cabinet was ignored.
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That's such a cop-out. Every Labour PM ever has had to cope with adversaries in the mainly right wing newspaper media. If anything, the rise of social media makes the influence of the Mail et al at an all time low.
I disagree. There is no doubt that many are still sucked in by the rabid right-wing press though. It's the extent of their bias that allows the BBC to claim to be neutral by comparison when they are in fact anything but.
No. Just muzzle the attack dogs in the media. Leveson2 might achieve that.
The negative press on Corbyn before the election was largely self inflicted. If current/former Labour MPs weren't so vocally against him then the media wouldn't have had so much ammo to with. Of course the media were going to report on the very public Labour infight and to those who watched it closely or in passing it all seemed messy.
Yeah, it's definitely encouraging that the rest of them have made themselves so unpopular with all the Brexit shenanigans. Bunch of cnuts, the lot of them.
Exactly. Labour will always have to cope with the Murdoch attack dogs but when there's think pieces in the traditionally left-leaning press about Corbyn's unsuitability to lead then that's on him. A good leader has to rally everyone to the cause, inside and outside the party, when it matters most. Didn't help that he made such a pig's ear out of Labour's contribution to the Brexit referendum, of course.
Hopefully this won't be so much of an issue in the next election but it's hard not to think of Corbyn's Labour leadership so far as one missed opportunity after another, with the UK paying the price for having weak opposition at such a critical period in its history.
I love how much George Osborne hates May.
Give them a bit of time with the DUP in government, they'll be glad to hand the 6 counties back.
Unfortunately or fortunately, we dont get a say in Northern Irelands future.
Indeed. Maybe Corbyn wouldn't attract the Blairites if he moved slightly more centrally, but he does need an extra few million votes if we have a repeat election. Who knows if the youth will even turn out next time.
But actually, I think everyone, left or right, is usually best served by starting from the central position and pushing in their preferred direction. Consider these two statements;
1) There are too many Indian doctors in this country.
2) We do not train enough doctors in this country, and are over reliant on attracting them from abroad.
Both statements could mean the same thing, but the first starts from the right and stays there, the second starts from the centre and pushes right.
If a right-leaning person said the former (and its not a radical thought), the left-leaners would groan and shake their heads. But if they said the second, many would consider it.
The same applies in reverse.
1) All drugs, hard and soft, should be immediately legalised, and those in prison for drug offences released.
2) Drug addicts cost this country billions of pounds a year. Treating addicts as criminals, instead of having a mental illness, exacerbates the problem.
Not the best example, but we'll run with it. Starting from the centre gathers the largest number possible, and takes them in the direction you want them to go. I often find the 'quite-far-right' start with relatively good intentions, but fail to come up with a coherent centralist explanstion as to why the radical right offers a better solution. Or they attack the effect and not the cause.
The big problem of course, is that the right don't just hate Corbyn just because he is on the left, they hate him because he is a "terrorist sympathiser". If there is a potential replacement who looks like more of a statesmen who can unite the centre and the left, then maybe Corbyn really should step down in the next two years. I'm not saying he's a failure, or with any ill-feeling towards him, but it could be the best thing for the party. Like Sturgeon and Salmond.
But there are too many variables to even think about that now. Corbyn got 5% more of the vote than Tony Blair did in 2005. Brexit could be a s**t-show. Maybe, he will find himself as Prime Minister sooner than we think.
All i know is the centre is under-represented. May's replacement *will* move towards the centre. Corbyn may be a revolution, but he needs to be a revolution Labour can win
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I love how much George Osborne hates May.
"She's a dead woman walking" with a huge grin
"What did she say when she sacked you" "She said I needed to get to know my party better"
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Me too. Cnut on cnut violence.
I love how much George Osborne hates May.
Just watching Corbyn on Marr's show. This result has done him the world of good. Never seen him so confident... definitely got a bit of bravado about him now.
They had until 2020, were looking somewhat strong and stable, and now look at them. She's a complete mess. As an aside, they should take her campaign bus to NASA, have it shot into space, and try to forget about it. The thing is a four-wheeled curse.
From a Tory electoral strategy point of view, their next leader should be someone more likely to appeal to modern/young/urban voters... Sajid Javid might be one of the better choices in that respect.
Two things that we didn't need and were totally unnecessary, the referendum and this election. Next it will be a party leadership campaign. May just won't survive this and by the look of her......doesn't want to. The new Tory leader will come in, reaffirm the situation as hopeless and call another election which has a high chance of being another hung parliament. I can see United winning another treble before this country starts to come through this murky, unpredictable period.
This actually happened.
DUP MP Gregory Campbell tables ‘ouija board’ question at Westminster
http://www.londonderrysentinel.co.u...ouija-board-question-at-westminster-1-6656227
DUP MP Gregory Campbell tables ‘ouija board’ question at Westminster
http://www.londonderrysentinel.co.u...ouija-board-question-at-westminster-1-6656227
For me it should be Dan Hannan. No one deserves the crown and shackle of Brexit more than him.
Not that he's an MP or a Lord. Small problem.
They had until 2020,
Everytime I remember this I laugh. It's like taking a big bag of money to the bank but along the way you decide to throw it in the river, and then you set your head on fire.
They got greedy. It's the disease that runs through the whole Tory party, both from a policy and career perspective.
Come on pogue. I am guessing we have both been around long enough to know that this media hate campaign against Corbyn spearheaded by the sun was the worst in history. It is also becoming much more apparent since the lack of terririst sympathisor stuff that has been published since may starting to whore herself to the dup. I do agree that since social media it is more obvious though
Im worried it only feels better becuase we did better then expected and torries did worse then expected, when all the emotions of that die down, and reality of a conservative backed up DUP goverment sinks in, i think 2010, where at least we had the Lib Dems vaguely reigning them in, will look like a similar result.
all this stuff we've heard over the last few days about Labour winning and tory's losing this election, will i think feel a bit silly in retrospect....becuase what ever way we spin it the tory's won.
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Theres a lot of talk about another election etc but obviously it wont happen. Even if a new leader is put in power they wont call another election. Jeremy Corbyn will have his shot again in the next election in 5y time. Anyone else who believes he will somehow get power sooner is a bit blinkered IMO. The Torys increased their vote share this election. If anything, May is more popular than Cameron was when he called the last election. The party got the majority of seats and the majority of the vote. They have democratically been voted the most popular party in seats and votes and thus are leading the country. I am not a May fan but i dont see how it can be viewed any differenyly. Talk of a Labour party leading govt is bizarre and would be undemocratic - they did not get the majority of the vote. We cant keep changing the goal posts until we get the result we want.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38229535
I thought I'd post this for people who have never heard about Burn to Earn. This is the people that Mat climbing into bed with. Are they corrupted or just criminally stupid?
I thought I'd post this for people who have never heard about Burn to Earn. This is the people that Mat climbing into bed with. Are they corrupted or just criminally stupid?
Labour MPs not accepting the will of their members and the press mainly.
No way will this parliament run 5 years.
Sky correspondent in NI just said that 'Arlene Foster is in church, because obviously the DUP don't negotiate on a sunday'.
This is going to go well
This is going to go well
TBF she is entitled to go to church on a sunday over negotiating terms of a deal.Sky correspondent in NI just said that 'Arlene Foster is in church, because obviously the DUP don't negotiate on a sunday'.
This is going to go well
Sky correspondent in NI just said that 'Arlene Foster is in church, because obviously the DUP don't negotiate on a sunday'.
This is going to go well
"obviously"
Do wonder if this damages Sinn Fein. Obviously a lot of their support is a pro-Republican protest vote but a lot of their support is in rejecting the DUP/Tories. Wonder if next time people will go with other parties of the left in NI knowing that SF's refusal to take their seats has effectively allowed the DUP to be at the heart of the UK government for the first time ever.
Nobody won in terms of having enough seats to form a Government.
Tory-DUP alliance handling Brexit & copping the resultant shit is good for Labour in the short term.
There's a 2nd referendum or repeat Election in this somewhere, just the route that takes us there which is unclear. Parliamentary chaos leads to one or the other in all probability. New Tory leader has no mandate & is propped up by stroppy Irish folk that they've had to bribe.
Tory-DUP alliance handling Brexit & copping the resultant shit is good for Labour in the short term.
There's a 2nd referendum or repeat Election in this somewhere, just the route that takes us there which is unclear. Parliamentary chaos leads to one or the other in all probability. New Tory leader has no mandate & is propped up by stroppy Irish folk that they've had to bribe.
Well it definitely lets everybody enjoy the current stability a bit longer. I don't mind her going to church, but surely she's not staying there the entire day!?
Cash For Ash is one of the bizarrest things I've come across in politics. Unbelievably dumb.
They are complaining around here that the grass isn't been cut often enough. The thing is that nobody ties that back to Austerity. Same with the bins being emptied fortnightly.
McDonnell disappointing on Peston this morning. Labour have great opportunity with the SNP, non-mental Tories and the Lib Dems of avoiding hard Brexit. Asked whether he'd oppose move to rip us out of the single market he indicated he'd support the Tory government instead.
The election shows, particularly but not exclusively among the young, there's an enormous consternation at this idea that hardline Tory right-wingers have been allowed to interpret what the Brexit vote meant beyond what was on the ballot paper and disappointing that Labour's front bench seem bizarrely hesitant to challenge that. Opposing exit from the single market could be something that unites the party behind Corbyn, even if it is on one issue, and could deliver a massive embarrassing defeat for the govt if added in to an amendment to the Queen's Speech.
The election shows, particularly but not exclusively among the young, there's an enormous consternation at this idea that hardline Tory right-wingers have been allowed to interpret what the Brexit vote meant beyond what was on the ballot paper and disappointing that Labour's front bench seem bizarrely hesitant to challenge that. Opposing exit from the single market could be something that unites the party behind Corbyn, even if it is on one issue, and could deliver a massive embarrassing defeat for the govt if added in to an amendment to the Queen's Speech.