General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
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They've done you up like a kipper, haven't they?
I'm a financial planner with a background in Economics. Where does your backing of Labour stem from? The promise of you can everything right now? Nice one... and that is why we have the debt we have now
 
Japan has a debt to GDP ratio of 250%. Congratulations on proving how clueless you are

That's why I said Japan was an example of a public wealth fund. Congratulations on proving you can't read.
 
I'm no fan of Corbyn and if he suffers a heavy defeat then it's on him, but if all it takes for some Labour voters to consider voting Tory is a stubborn democratic socialist who's not very good at his job then I can kind of understand where a lot of his supporters are coming from, even if they're slightly delusional in believing he's got a genuine chance of winning. People like Dan Hodges aren't going to be the reason Labour loses this election, but the fact he'll heap blame onto Corbyn for a Tory government whilst being wiling to vote Tory himself shows an astonishing lack of self-awareness.

Labour to LD I can understand because despite their backing of the Tories economic agenda, they're largely solid socially and have been much stronger than Labour in their opposition to Labour. But people who're going Labour to Tory, without a hint of irony are probably just...well, Tories who feel slightly bad about voting Tory.
 
I'm no fan of Corbyn and if he suffers a heavy defeat then it's on him, but if all it takes for some Labour voters to consider voting Tory is a stubborn democratic socialist who's not very good at his job then I can kind of understand where a lot of his supporters are coming from, even if they're slightly delusional in believing he's got a genuine chance of winning. People like Dan Hodges aren't going to be the reason Labour loses this election, but the fact he'll heap blame onto Corbyn for a Tory government whilst being wiling to vote Tory himself shows an astonishing lack of self-awareness.

Labour to LD I can understand because despite their backing of the Tories economic agenda, they're largely solid socially and have been much stronger than Labour in their opposition to Labour. But people who're going Labour to Tory, without a hint of irony are probably just...well, Tories who feel slightly bad about voting Tory.
Dan Hodges is someone you can usually safely ignore though. The Aaron Bastani of the right.
 
By putting money away you know you mean taking money out of the economy right? You think thats a good time to do that?

It's a bit late now. It should have been done years ago. Even still, it doesn't mean taking money out of the economy. These funds don't just lock it away, they invest it. Norway has a large fund set aside for investment in only Norwegian companies for example.
 
It's a bit late now. It should have been done years ago. Even still, it doesn't mean taking money out of the economy. These funds don't just lock it away, they invest it. Norway has a large fund set aside for investment in only Norwegian companies for example.
The only way we could be like Norway is if we killed most of the population. Norway is a resource rich, low population country. Trying to emulate them is like telling a cat to bark.
 
Strength in numbers. Negotiation is more credible if more of the country is behind the person negotiating. Exact reason we have this election, although I think it has the potential to be riskier than May realises.

The negotiation itself might be more credible (at a push) if we're all backing the one person, but that doesn't mean the end result of the eventual negotiation is going to be any good...and that's the reason we need strong opposition. 48% of the country voted Remain and their voices should be heard in negotiations in order to reach a deal which satisfies the demands of those who voted for Brexit, but also caters to the country as a whole. Of course, such a deal will be difficult to reach, but I fail to see why we should all just blindly follow May when she's not really demonstrated any knowledge or competence regarding what's coming ahead thus far, instead settling for vague platitudes.

I really don't see how any of the party leaders are more/less credible than each other when it comes to dealing with this issue. None of May/Corbyn/Farron give across an air of being competent or inspiring, and they'd all essentially be dealing with an issue we're approaching from a fairly unknown position.
 
Explain to me just how adding an extra layer of organization that, for its own legal existence, must seek profits from its operation, saves money?

How do you think a charity works, marketeers, finance people, etc all paid plenty of money. You need organisation to spend money wisely. The obvious question would be is this the most cost effective way, but clearly some effort and prioritisation is required.

I know someone that wrote a thesis on the bottomless pit that is the NHS. No matter how much money you throw at it, it's never enough.

An overly healthy population is ironically more vulnerable to disease, as a lack of work required from white blood cells to constantly adapt, thus greater problems can end up occuring when new/ evolved diseases come along.
 
Dan Hodges is someone you can usually safely ignore though. The Aaron Bastani of the right.

True, he'd be an extreme example, but there's already been a couple of people in this thread who would normally call themselves Labour voters who seem willing to switch to a Tory vote on this occasion...and in that case I can sympathise with Labour voters because for all of Corbyn's ills and failings, he's not that extreme to warrant such a switch. Again, Labour to Lib Dem I can understand to an extent, but Labour to Tory would just indicate that said person is probably a Tory, or at least has significant Tory leanings.
 
I'm a financial planner with a background in Economics. Where does your backing of Labour stem from? The promise of you can everything right now? Nice one... and that is why we have the debt we have now

then you will know when banging on about norway they have a 55% tax rate, 78% corporate tax rate and 25% normal vat with up to 35% tax on luxury goods.

Using them as an example of what you want while voting for tories to avoid corbyn putting corpoarte tax rates back to 22% is as nonsensical as inviting gary glitter round for a toddlers tea party.
 
How do you think a charity works, marketeers, finance people, etc all paid plenty of money. You need organisation to spend money wisely. The obvious question would be is this the most cost effective way, but clearly some effort and prioritisation is required.

I know someone that wrote a thesis on the bottomless pit that is the NHS. No matter how much money you throw at it, it's never enough.

An overly healthy population is ironically more vulnerable to disease, as a lack of work required from white blood cells to constantly adapt, thus greater problems can end up occuring when new/ evolved diseases come along.

Tell me then, how much are children's lives actually worth to you. Give me a figure.

And who the feck do you think will be wiping your arse in your old age if we do not have a functioning healthcare system?
 
I get why you would jump on this, but bottom line the country is in debt and needs to sort it out. It has to get worse before it gets better. The interest costs requiring this cut in services is down to over spending by Labour.

No white text?

That's the same drivel from 2008-2010.

I'm a financial planner with a background in Economics.

It's quite easy to spot liars on the internet pal - especially when they throw out nonsense that's been debunked by genuine experts. I assume your background is googling shit.
 
The negotiation itself might be more credible (at a push) if we're all backing the one person, but that doesn't mean the end result of the eventual negotiation is going to be any good...and that's the reason we need strong opposition. 48% of the country voted Remain and their voices should be heard in negotiations in order to reach a deal which satisfies the demands of those who voted for Brexit, but also caters to the country as a whole. Of course, such a deal will be difficult to reach, but I fail to see why we should all just blindly follow May when she's not really demonstrated any knowledge or competence regarding what's coming ahead thus far, instead settling for vague platitudes.

I really don't see how any of the party leaders are more/less credible than each other when it comes to dealing with this issue. None of May/Corbyn/Farron give across an air of being competent or inspiring, and they'd all essentially be dealing with an issue we're approaching from a fairly unknown position.

I voted remain, so trust me this is not a route I want us to be going down, but clearly a lot of work has been done in the last year from the Tories. Even companies have been preparing scenarios and plans just in case of a Brexit vote even when it looked unlikely.

May wanted to remain, thus there is obviously a reason she feels the best outcome is too push on strong willed and as together as possible. I don't have all the answers, nor will she, but the country voted this, the process is in motion and there is clearly a will at this stage to find out what we can get.

May is probably thinking go hell for leather and if the deal doesn't feel right at the end then a wider debate should be had.
 
No white text?

That's the same drivel from 2008-2010.

Yeah, I find the continued trust for the Tories regarding the economy to be bizarre when...ya know, Brexit happened. Imagine if we'd seen the pound fall like that after a Labour government, or if we'd seen such uncertainty occur under any party that wasn't the Tories.
 
No white text?

That's the same drivel from 2008-2010.
Guess what, its the same problem! The debt hasn't suddenly just disappeared. Whilst people are moaning about the Conservatives they are actually being fairly soft on cuts, versus what is ideally needed.
 
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True, he'd be an extreme example, but there's already been a couple of people in this thread who would normally call themselves Labour voters who seem willing to switch to a Tory vote on this occasion...and in that case I can sympathise with Labour voters because for all of Corbyn's ills and failings, he's not that extreme to warrant such a switch. Again, Labour to Lib Dem I can understand to an extent, but Labour to Tory would just indicate that said person is probably a Tory, or at least has significant Tory leanings.
Ed Miliband to Theresa May is an odd one.

Kind of bracing myself as to what the Tories are going to unload personally on Corbyn and McDonnell, pollsters running focus groups have said that most voters don't actually know much about their histories and past relationships yet. But then, I can also see the anti-establishment tactic working as we've seen elsewhere of late.
 
I voted remain, so trust me this is not a route I want us to be going down, but clearly a lot of work has been done in the last year from the Tories. Even companies have been preparing scenarios and plans just in case of a Brexit vote even when it looked unlikely.

May wanted to remain, thus there is obviously a reason she feels the best outcome is too push on strong willed and as together as possible. I don't have all the answers, nor will she, but the country voted this, the process is in motion and there is clearly a will at this stage to find out what we can get.

May is probably thinking go hell for leather and if the deal doesn't feel right at the end then a wider debate should be had.
There is a reason, she's an opportunist who can smell a power boost round the corner.
 
"Britain needs a Labour government that is prepared to fight for people in every part of the country, our towns, villages, as well as big cities.

A Labour government that isn’t scared to take on the cosy cartels that are hoarding this country’s wealth for themselves. It needs a government that will use that wealth to invest in people’s lives in every community to build a better future for every person who lives here.

Because the Conservatives, drunk on a failed ideology, are hell bent on cutting every public service they get their hands on, and they will use all of the divide-and-rule tricks of the Lynton Crosby trade to keep their rigged system intact.

Don’t be angry at the privatisers profiting from our public services, they whisper - be angry instead at the migrant worker just trying to make a better life.

Don’t be angry at the government ministers running down our schools and hospitals, they tell us - be angry instead at the disabled woman or the unemployed man."
Powerful words and he's not tip toeing around the subject. He might get my vote this time. Shame that the press have once again failed to report his message.
 
I get why you would jump on this, but bottom line the country is in debt and needs to sort it out. It has to get worse before it gets better. The interest costs requiring this cut in services is down to over spending by Labour.

This is nonsense, and you probably believe it because you're a financial planner. Countries are not like companies or personal finances for goodness sake. Strong public services and welfare aren't just some nice fluffy charity thing, they're essential for keeping vast numbers of people healthy and socially stable so they can be productive workers and contribute to the economy through taxes and spending. This idea that you can just slash services while you cut down the debt, and then bring them back later when the country has more money to spend is completely idiotic.
 
Guess what, its the same problem! The debt has suddenly just disappeared. Whilst people are moaning about the Conservatives they are actually being fairly soft on cuts, versus what is ideally needed.
Ooops, your mask slipped at the end there. Quick, talk about your education again and pretend that your view that children should be the ones that pay for this with their lives isn't based on any ideology. It was almost convincing last time.
 
but thats different from the Minimum wage...... don't get me wrong i like the idea of raising the minimum wage, as i my self would get a wage rise,..... i just want to the effects of that kind of massive wage rise to be fully layed out, and what the downsides are gonna be, becuase like ive said i can see a lot companies moving abroad and even more relying even more heavily on zero hour contracts.
Well that's the thing. Last time they were discussing this, there were lots of people saying that they would have to reduce the workforce. Small business owners would reduce staff hours, larger companies would switch to robots on checkout...

But right now, the UK has a nice, low unemployment rate.

What you say about zero hours contracts is definitely true, and for lots of people it will be companies tightening on hours that people work.

Don't forget that the apprenticeship rate is only £3.50 per hour, and the under 24 rate is less too.
 
I voted remain, so trust me this is not a route I want us to be going down, but clearly a lot of work has been done in the last year from the Tories. Even companies have been preparing scenarios and plans just in case of a Brexit vote even when it looked unlikely.

May wanted to remain, thus there is obviously a reason she feels the best outcome is too push on strong willed and as together as possible. I don't have all the answers, nor will she, but the country voted this, the process is in motion and there is clearly a will at this stage to find out what we can get.

May is probably thinking go hell for leather and if the deal doesn't feel right at the end then a wider debate should be had.

Has it, though? I suspect a lot of the heavy groundwork in the past year or so has been done by the civil service, and that'll continue to be the case as the transition takes place...and that'll happen irrespective of who's in charge as Brexit's happening.

Either way, the Tories haven't come across as particularly competent so far. Despite Brexit being a strong possibility before the vote no contingency plans were put in place, meaning Leave Tories kind of supported something without ever knowing how they'd implement it, and Cameron just decided to feck off and leave everyone else with the mess. Why should I have even the most remote bit of faith in their economic competence?

May wanted to remain in public but Cameron complained about her lack of committal to the campaign and it's possible she was in favour of Brexit but didn't want to take the risk of saying so...which is a reasonable enough assumption since it paid off for her.
 
Sorry, Its a post from a woman about the NHS and her local childrens care unit being taken over by virgin:



She has a picture of the letter as well to prove it.

Wow 18 months (and waiting) to treat a sick child :(.

Thanks for posting the quote though!
 
Ed Miliband to Theresa May is an odd one.

Kind of bracing myself as to what the Tories are going to unload personally on Corbyn and McDonnell, pollsters running focus groups have said that most voters don't actually know much about their histories and past relationships yet. But then, I can also see the anti-establishment tactic working as we've seen elsewhere of late.

Very good. Which, again, allows me some sympathy for Corbynites - as annoying as they may be, there's a point to be had if someone who's really just a bit of a democratic socialist has become too unelectable for the Labour party.

Will be interesting to see what the Tories pull out on Corbyn/McDonnell...there's a chance they might not need to do much because of how far ahead they are right now. As it stands, they basically need to function until June to have a considerable majority. But it'd be somewhere between interesting and worrying to see how far Labour fall if some really, really bad stuff came out.
 
The deficit is still stupidly high compared with 2008 - just look it up without reading any opinion pieces. The Tory policies have done feck all in the grand scheme of things despite gutting the health service and inflicting pain on ordinary people.
 
Thus raising inflation and so the minimum wage needs hiking again and back to square one.
Yup. There's nothing else you can do when it's the policy of every nation in the world to create growth. There's a limited amount of resources, and going gung-ho on them is unsustainable, so we end up with fake growth, where everyone has more money but we can afford less and less. And if you're not in the rat race, you get left behind and stagnate. The price of goods and services will rise with or without rising wages, so you're stuck the situation we have now. And if you have a small businesses where margins are so small you can't afford a wage hike, you're simply fecked. That's part of the reason employment has for decades become consolidated to fewer and fewer, larger and larger corporations.
 
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@RedTillI'mDead deciding what needs to be cut.

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then you will know when banging on about norway they have a 55% tax rate, 78% corporate tax rate and 25% normal vat with up to 35% tax on luxury goods.

Using them as an example of what you want while voting for tories to avoid corbyn putting corpoarte tax rates back to 22% is as nonsensical as inviting gary glitter round for a toddlers tea party.


The top income tax rate is hardly relevant. This study gives a different impression. Any sources for your data?
 
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The deficit is still stupidly high compared with 2008 - just look it up without reading any opinion pieces. The Tory policies have done feck all in the grand scheme of things despite gutting the health service and inflicting pain on ordinary people.

I'm fairly sure Osborne originally supported similar borrowing to what Brown was operating at when he first became Shadow Chancellor. Was only after the economy started to take a downturn he changed his tune.
 
Very good. Which, again, allows me some sympathy for Corbynites - as annoying as they may be, there's a point to be had if someone who's really just a bit of a democratic socialist has become too unelectable for the Labour party.

Will be interesting to see what the Tories pull out on Corbyn/McDonnell...there's a chance they might not need to do much because of how far ahead they are right now. As it stands, they basically need to function until June to have a considerable majority. But it'd be somewhere between interesting and worrying to see how far Labour fall if some really, really bad stuff came out.
A worryingly consistent result from polls is the "who do you prefer as PM" question - May has been getting over 50%, Corbyn down at about 15%. That's Labour's floor.