The turnout will be interesting
Will those lazy lefties get out of bed?
Will those lazy lefties get out of bed?
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There wouldn't have been a vote if they hadn't called the referendum.
Mumsnet is very left wing. You get quite a few trollers on there.
https://www.tactical2017.com/#Barking
PS anyone who doesn't know which way to vote re: those scottish voters, try and use this.
PS anyone who doesn't know which way to vote re: those scottish voters, try and use this.
Are you sure, been through quite a few threads and seems to have a strong tory contingent as well.
For all the talk about young voters, for me the female vote is massive as they're usually more floaty and can lean either way whereas men tend to be pretty forthright in their views and stick to them.
But you don't apply that same expectation to the EU/Germany? It's as if people have forgotten past negotiations with Brussels, or believe it to be some cuddly and totally reasonable organisation. Even as far back as her first conference speech the PM left the door open for future UK contributions; a move which was met with a demand for a large cash sum, to be paid all at once.
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To be honest regarding the deal your guess is as good as mine. I'm purely basing it on personalities. If work in commercial finance and I would negotiate with Corbyn all day long till I got the deal I wanted. May would probably annoy me and eventually I'd save the fight for another day, i.e. Backdown a little bit.
It might be an absurd simplified view, but let's be honest what else do we have to go on.
This is one area of the voting that comes down to a punt. There is no firm logic.
Whereas I've studied enough Economics and worked long enough in Finance to understand the difference between marketing and reality when it comes to what can and can't be achieved by a government and their policies.
Labour take an economic model that ignores free movement and tax evasion and assume therefore near perfect gains to every policy. They also seemingly ignore the cost of interest and value everything today as worth infinitely more than the future. Great marketing tools, but doomed to fail.
It's hilarious isn't it? Though saying that, it pales into comparison of May triggering an election, then screaming that we can't run the risk of Corbyn in charge of Brexit and that she can't be distracted away from the negotiations.
As an aside - if you're threatening not to vote again because your ideal candidate might not be around next time, this may be why for the most part your ideal candidate doesn't get in a position to win. If you aren't a regular at polling booths, the major parties will continue ignoring you.
That's why I hope we at least get a hung parliament.
"They're having a proper scrap!"
I'm no East End 'ardman but it was all very handbags. Hopefully the Liberal Democrats put up a better fight.
LIB DEM MANIA ERUPTS ON POLLING DAY
Not been to vote yet. I'm leaning toward the local Conservative MP but could be persuaded to vote Lib Dem if i knew it wouldn't hand the seat to Labour.
Wouldn't mind having the ability send part of my vote to another constituency though.
Wouldn't mind having the ability send part of my vote to another constituency though.
This was a gamble on May's part. The European conversations were clearly challenging and the momentum seemed to be behind Labour so she figured now would be a good time to cement here position in the strongest possible way. Reality frustratingly is many of our population are too stupid to understand this and having voted Brexit are now trying to damage our outcome by voting Labour.
Of all the elections to make this point, you choose this one? When a twice elected leader doesn't have even slight backing from massive numbers of his own party?
Pssst. The EU don't give a feck how many MPs the arms dealing vicar's daughter has. You'll note they didn't wait until Friday to hold their meeting to agree on their stance, they did it weeks ago. The only person 'damaging the outcome' is her, by your logic, by even giving people the chance to have someone else in charge of the process.
Its strange, a lot of people I know have gotten more right wing as they have gotten older, Ive gone the other way
Same here. Used to be consistent Tory voter, these days I'm practically ready to join a people's front movement with Che Guevara and Karl Marx.
Nick, I will forever struggle to work out how you decide on your vote
Truth is a stranger to Brexiteers
So we have to use Tories policy of not costing anything and using the old excuse of "we'll get to it eventually...". I'm sorry, but given I distrust the Tories already, their Manifesto and their lack of interest in discussing ANY of their policies puts me on red alert.
Corbyn has his faults, he'a dreamer and very ambitious but he's also a very good speaker and comes across as an honest guy. He's someone people could negotiate with. May has many faults as well, personally if my old business had to deal with someone like her we'd be laughing at her. Someone who wants it all her own way and won't back down, she comes across in every interview as someone who's back is against the wall. That is a great trait to have as a leader in war time, but Brexit isn't war, it's negotiation and with negotiation comes compromise, something that May simply doesn't look comfortable or capable of doing.
I am biased though, I have no love for the woman. Cameroon was a much better PM than she is.
I've been a member for a few years now and it is. There are more people who are in favour of labour.
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2945130-To-do-our-own-poll
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_b...ry-voters-justify-cuts-to-disability-benefits
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_b...InTheSackAndIWouldntKickHimOutOfBedForFarting
The last one is questionable.
fair enough.... is that a 100% a bad thing?
i mean i've voted Labour, i don't agree with all corbyns policies( scrapping tuition fees and £10 minimum wage by 2020 for instance) but part of the reason i have voted for Labour is because i trust Corbyn to at least try and do the right thing for the people of this country, I don't trust May at all, and i don't think she is a good person with best interests of some of the people of this county, especially the lower classes, at heart.
I don't really feel its a bad thing that i let my emotions, or my opinion of the leaders effect my vote.
* Their are a lot of labour policies i do agree with (privatisation of the Railways, scraping zero hour contracts, getting the top 5% of earners to pay a bit more.... I don't want it to sound like i voted for corbyn becuase i think he is a nice bloke, im just saying that it contributed to my vote and don't feel thats a bad thing.
I've been a member for a few years now and it is. There are more people who are in favour of labour.
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2945130-To-do-our-own-poll
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_b...ry-voters-justify-cuts-to-disability-benefits
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_b...InTheSackAndIWouldntKickHimOutOfBedForFarting
The last one is questionable.
I make this point most elections because non-voting annoys me. If previous non-voters stay involved, maybe things change? Maybe calculations of politicians change?Of all the elections to make this point, you choose this one? When a twice elected leader doesn't have even slight backing from massive numbers of his own party?
I didn't mean it as a bad thing, just as a thing that needs better understanding.
Honestly, I did not create that thread.
Well it's bold, I give you that.
If it was about Keir Starmer then I'd admit it. Ive got a soft spot for him
fair enough
It is an absurdly simplified view for many reasons, not least that neither Theresa May nor Jeremy Corbyn will be anywhere near the actual negotiations.
Yeah it's straight up delusional of Tories to think so. Votes are a currency (for governments) in Brussels because they allow them to make concessions to others without loosing power. It literally works the other way around than the Tories are attempting to do it: force concessions out of the other with their own majority.
I didn't want to go there, but from my perspective:
The UK needs a deal, but doesn't really want it.
The EU wants a deal, but doesn't really need it.
As unimaginable as I thought it would be 12 months ago I now think no deal is the most likely result should the conservatives stay in power.
Although I'm not in that demographic anymore, it took my ages to get registered to vote in last year's referendum (abroad). If you can't be bothered to go to your local polling station to put one little X on a piece of paper, you deserve a slap.
And it'll be dressed up as Mrs Strong and Stable telling EU bigwigs where to stuff their bendy bananas...while leaving us to beg trade deals off TrumpLand & the People's Republic of Atlantis.
Regardless of that, the idea Corbyn would be easier to deal with than May is based on feck all. May is the one who can barely speak in public, looks hopeless under pressure and is the definition of a try-hard. Any negotiator worth their salt would tear her to shreds.
I'm not even a Corbyn supporter but he's looked much more statesmanlike than that daft aul bint.
Aaaaand we've voted. Now to drink through the night as the results come in.
i disagree say what you want about the conservertive party, but they are defintly in the pockets of big buissness and city trading, and those guys want a deal so the tories will get a deal.
As were the last Labour Government.
To the point where they didn't even bother to try to hide it. In the unlikely event Corbyn and his 6th form debating team get in to power tomorrow they will be exactly the same.
Usually I'd agree with you, but this isn't even the 'usual' Tories anymore. Big business and the city didn't want brexit, once that couldn't be undone they didn't want the government to trigger article 50 until things are "sorted", and they sure wouldn't have wanted WTO rules to be even mentioned as a possible outcome. I don't think the Tories represent the majority of the UK big business anymore, they have their clientele within big business who's interests I've not fully come to understand yet.
I hope you are right though.