General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Ubik said:
So, he did back calls for her to resign then?
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:lol: You're brilliant. I'm going to miss your inability to watch video and instead simply take the text as gospel, when the election is over.

DenisIrwin said:
Another longer more revealing excerpt...
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How odd that the BBC chose not to include the shoot to kill bit immediately after he talks about the election. At the very least you'd think they'd appreciate the shout-out he gives the BBC Trust!

Fully Fledged said:
So in the original interview he said that we have a election on Thursday and that's the best way to deal with it. Then he back tracks to Sky by saying:

"I think we should vote on Thursday to decide who our MPs are and decide who our government is."

Isn't that the same message.
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To the untrained eye, yes. But, because the text says he's backtracking, he's 100% backtracking and nothing like say... video footage, can change that.
 
''Conservative candidate Maria Caulfield and a group of tactical voting campaigners are engaged in a war of words following a Sound of Music inspired protest in Lewes.''

http://www.sussexexpress.co.uk/news/lewes-election-protest-sparks-war-of-words-1-7993725

''...campaigners dressed as nuns sang an adapted version of the Sound of Music’s ‘How do solve a problem like Maria?’, with lyrics changed to criticise Ms Caulfield’s record as the constituency’s MP.''

Ms Caulfield criticised the protest - “The tolerant left at their best in Lewes yesterday preaching hate.''
 
Fully Fledged said:
So in the original interview he said that we have a election on Thursday and that's the best way to deal with it.

then he back tracks to Sky by saying.

"I think we should vote on Thursday to decide who our MPs are and decide who our government is."

Isn't that the same message.
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Yeah but he breathed in between the statements so its okay or something....
 
Dobba said:
:lol: You're brilliant. I'm going to miss your inability to watch video and instead simply take the text as gospel, when the election is over.


How odd that the BBC chose not to include the shoot to kill bit immediately after he talks about the election.


To the untrained eye, yes. But, because the text says he's backtracking, he's 100% backtracking and nothing like...say video footage, can change that.
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I miss your frequent references to immigration mugs and abstainers that stopped after Corbyn pledged controls on immigration and put forward a manifesto that did this to the poorest

All things have to end, I suppose.
 
Ubik said:
I miss your frequent references to immigration mugs and abstainers that stopped after Corbyn pledged controls on immigration and put forward a manifesto that did this to the poorest. All things have to end, I suppose.
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We've already been there Ubik and I said it was shite, but you know this already. Are we going to complete the hattrick of you ignoring video tomorrow because the last two days have featured some absolute crackers on your part.
 
The UK's intelligence failure elephant is shown to be in the room and the MSM have to acknowledge it.
 
Dobba said:
We've already been there Ubik and I said it was shite, but you know this already. Are we going to complete the hattrick of you ignoring video tomorrow because the last two days have featured some absolute crackers on your part.
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You said the return of the mug policy was "less than ideal" or something, and blamed the rightwing of the party for the benefit policy. For someone who continually talked about mugs and abstainers, it seems to have gone down your priorities list.
 
'Magic money tree.'
 
Is there a video of him telling Sky that he did not think she should resign as they are reporting?

Jeremy Corbyn has said he does not think Theresa May should quit over police cuts just hours after suggesting she should resign.
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Damien said:
Anti-terrorism voting records:

Cabinet:
Prime Minster - Theresa May (18.1% for)
Home Secretary - Amber Rudd (100% for (she only had the one vote))
Foreign Secretary - Boris Johnson (16.1% for)
Defence Secretary - Michael Fallon (18.1% for)

Shadow Cabinet:
Leader of the Opposition - Jeremy Corbyn (7.7% for)
Shadow Home Secretary - Diane Abbott (29.3% for)
Shadow Foreign Secretary - Emily Thornberry (92.4% for)
Shadow Defence Secretary - Nia Griffith (99.2% for)
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Amazing! Has there ever been a worse use of stats?
 
Ubik said:
You said the return of the mug policy was "less than ideal" or something, and blamed the rightwing of the party for the benefit policy. For someone who continually talked about mugs and abstainers, it seems to have gone down your priorities list.
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Oh so you already knew I'd spoken against it? It's the, for want of a better phrase, downside of having a democratic party. The alternative is what the Tories went with and had them rushing to clarify pledges because ministers hadn't seen them prior to the manifesto's release.

It isn't perfect but, there's enough in Labour's manifesto and backed up by the speech made on Saturday for me to back both it and Corbyn.
 
Dobba said:
Oh so you already knew I'd spoken against it? It's the, for want of a better phrase, downside of having a democratic party. The alternative is what the Tories went with and had them rushing to clarify pledges because ministers hadn't seen them prior to the manifesto's release.

It isn't perfect but, there's enough in Labour's manifesto and backed up by the speech made on Saturday for me to back both it and Corbyn.
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So just to confirm, you were calling Corbyn/McDonnell "tory wannabe cnuts"? Because they were the ones in control of the manifesto, Rachael Reeves didn't break in to take them out.

Dobba said:
It's shite and proof that the party is still full of absolute Tory wannabe cnuts. Next? Was I supposed to go in a Dan Hodges/centrist strop and vote for the Lib Dems or something?

Love abstainers being in quotes like it's up for debate, by the way.
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Ubik said:
So just to confirm, you were calling Corbyn/McDonnell "tory wannabe cnuts"? Because they were the ones in control of the manifesto, Rachael Reeves didn't break in to take them out.
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Nice try, Ubik. Clause V of the Labour Party rule book:
When not in Government the NEC, the Shadow Cabinet, the Parliamentary Committee of the Parliamentary Labour Party (‘PLP’), the Leaders of the Scottish and Welsh Labour Parties, and the Chair and three vice Chairs of the NPF and eight Trade Union members of the TULO Contact Group shall decide which items from the Party programme shall be included in the manifesto that shall be issued by the NEC prior to every general election. The joint meeting shall also define the attitude of the Party to the principal issues raised by the election which are not covered by the manifesto.
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It is weird because this is the exact excuse given for why 'Red Ed's' manifesto wasn't as revolutionary as he'd have liked and nobody seems to have issue with it then.
 
Fully Fledged said:
It is they have got a Labour Councilor Elif ERBIL voted in in 2017 and a Labour MP Joan Marie RYAN voted in in 2015.
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We have a shit Labour council too. They've just wasted nearly £50m on a controversial cycle lane: which not only do very few people seem to use, but is even purportedly a danger to health. Should either a Have or a Have-not be unfortunate enough to require an ambulance, it'll now struggle to build up speed due to the road modifications. This, of course, would on its way to our one remaining A&E unit in the borough.
 
Dobba said:
Nice try, Ubik. Clause V of the Labour Party rule book:
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They agree to it at the clause V meeting. You'll remember that the draft manifesto was leaked before that meeting, and it went through with no major revisions.
 
Ubik said:
They agree to it at the clause V meeting. You'll remember that the draft manifesto was leaked before that meeting, and it went through with no major revisions.
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Which explains why Trident renewal isn't in it because Corbyn is famously against nuclear weapons and as he was, as you put it, 'in control of the manifesto' it naturally wouldn't make the cut. Oh hang on...
 
Dobba said:
Which explains why Trident renewal isn't in it because Corbyn is famously against nuclear weapons and as he was, as you put it, 'in control of the manifesto' it naturally wouldn't make the cut.
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Right, because the unions (who are on the NEC) wouldn't have allowed it to be dropped as their members' jobs depend on it. Why would they be against ending the benefit freeze?
 
Ubik said:
Right, because the unions (who are on the NEC) wouldn't have allowed it to be dropped as their members' jobs depend on it. Why would they be against ending the benefit freeze?
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Who else was on that Clause V list again? Maybe one of those groups contain one or two people who'd be against it.

Thankfully there is a lengthy list of things to get behind. Most notably the end of WCA in private hands. Plus the comments from Corbyn and McDonnell would suggest ending it is something they want to do, even if the manifesto doesn't say so.
 
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Does anyone actually know anyone who goes to these Corbyn rallies?
 
Have they told Gove to hide in a pub until the election's over?
 
Chorley1974 said:
Nobody is denying that police numbers have been cut. Directly linking them to terrorist attacks is pure dickhead cheap political points though.
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Yeah, and when the Police completely disagree with him too you know it's nonsense. Oh wait:

The Police Federation has renewed calls for more investment in neighbourhood policing in the wake of the London Bridge/Borough Market terrorist attack.

As London’s Met Police Chief admitted they needed to look at resourcing and strategy, Federation Vice-Chair Calum Macleod said: "We must first recognise the extreme bravery shown by police officers and other emergency services who, as always, put their lives in danger to help others. But we’re in danger of sleep-walking towards another tragedy if we don’t recognise right now that community policing is on the critical list."

Home Office figures show that between 2015 and 2016 more than 3,350 neighbourhood officers have been lost and Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC) warned of an ‘erosion in neighbourhood policing’ only last year.

"It’s what the Federation has been saying for years," said Mr Macleod. "We know the information to stop these mindless attacks exists within communities and great work is being done to forge strong, valuable relationships to capture this. But it cannot be jeopardised by reducing the contact the police has with the public."

He welcomed the extra investment that has been made in counter-terrorism policing but added: "This is not enough on its own – other areas, like community policing, need more boots on the ground now so that we can strengthen those neighbourhood relationships and stop the terrorists before they claim more lives.

"The reality is that all those of interest to the security services can’t be watched all the time and difficult decisions have had to be made."

Mr Macleod discounted any ideas that routinely arming all police was the answer: "When we last surveyed our members, 80% told us they did not want to routinely carry firearms. They do, however want access to better equipment, such as Taser and spit guards.”

But the spotlight is now firmly on the dearth of neighbourhood policing as the UK reels from its third terror attack in a couple of months. Mr Macleod added: “We have and will no doubt continue to hear remarkable stories of people’s selfless acts to help others in the days and weeks to come. But we must not lose sight of the key challenge now – and that is ensuring we have a resilient fully-staffed police service, including the neighbourhood policing resources it needs."
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Chorley1974 said:
Nobody is denying that police numbers have been cut. Directly linking them to terrorist attacks is pure dickhead cheap political points though.
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So stretched resources have had no effect at all? Presumably the cuts haven't had any negatives affects on anything then, let's just cut the the budgets further since there's no repercussions. May accused the authorities of scaremongering - downright brushing away their concerns so she could steamroll the cuts through.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
So stretched resources have had no effect at all? Presumably the cuts haven't had any negatives affects on anything then, let's just cut the the budgets further since there's no repercussions. May accused the authorities of scaremongering - downright brushing away their concerns so she could steamroll the cuts through.
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So you think that just pumping more money money in will address extremism? So let's just pump in 100% more, put a few pence on income tax and all is sorted? Instead we could just tax business more, as that will build a vibrant and strong economy, oh I forgot Corbyn is already planning on doing that regardless of police funding.
 
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