General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Vote may get trump.

Labour should absolutely hammer than one home from now on. She wins, we will be bombing syria by the end of summer, trump needs something to show he is strong, and she will follow along.

And that is th emost optimistic scenario. He may go for Iran to prove his anti russia credentials.
 

Terrorism Act 2000
May - Absent
Corbyn - Against

Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001
May - For, then Absent
Corbyn - Against

Fourteen-day detention 2003
May - Against
Corbyn - Against

Control Orders - 2005
May - Against
Corbyn - Against

ID cards 2006
May - Against
Corbyn - Against

Ninety-day detention 2006
May - Against then For after changes.
Corbyn - Against

Counter-terrorism Act 2008
May - Absent
Corbyn - Against

Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act
May - For
Corbyn - Against

Justice and Security Act 2013
May - For
Corbyn - Against

The Investigatory Powers Act 2016
May - For
Corbyn - Against
 
Terrorism Act 2000
May - Absent
Corbyn - Against

Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001
May - For, then Absent
Corbyn - Against

Fourteen-day detention 2003
May - Against
Corbyn - Against

Control Orders - 2005
May - Against
Corbyn - Against

ID cards 2006
May - Against
Corbyn - Against

Ninety-day detention 2006
May - Against then For after changes.
Corbyn - Against

Counter-terrorism Act 2008
May - Absent
Corbyn - Against

Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act
May - For
Corbyn - Against

Justice and Security Act 2013
May - For
Corbyn - Against

The Investigatory Powers Act 2016
May - For
Corbyn - Against
I think his voting record on this is a lot to do with him recognising the problems internment presented on the road to peace in NI.
 
Or to be attacked. I've never voted Tory but the way I've witnessed people who say they do be treated like they're committing a crime isn't very nice. It isn't just disagreement either, it's real anger. I would imagine it's the same the other way around where people who were brought up with a certain set of political values with absolutely no exposure to anyone outside people who agree with them, have very little tolerance of the views of other people or even of their right to hold different views.

'Never kissed a Tory' t-shirts being a frivolous yet symptomatic example. I think it's generational too. Unless part of the student movement young people tend not to be terribly tribal. Left leaning generally but not tribal in a way that those who were around in the 70s and 80s seem to be and seem to have a bizarre mistrust of anyone not equally as tribal as they are.

Most of my friends (25-40ish age group) vote for a rainbow of different parties and none seem to view the other as the 'enemy' for voting a different way. I prefer this and find it much more conducive to constructive conversation than people who's loyalty to a party is matched only by loyalty to their football club where everything quickly descends into a shouting match based on "How dare you disagree with me"

A large part of it is generational because back in the Thatcher era there were genuine winners and losers from conservative policies, and Labour stood in real ideological opposition. The problem with New Labour and the changes it forced within the Conservative party was that the parties were competing over basically the same ideological ground around the center. People were still losing out, but less dramatically and neither major party really represented them anyway, so they tended to just disenfranchise from politics altogether ("Politicians are all the same" etc).

What we're seeing now is the parties moving significantly apart again and as the Tories move increasingly right more people are losing out and rather than it being a gradual decline in many cases it's dramatic and severe. When you push people to the point where they're dependent on food banks and worry about not being able to keep a roof over their heads, the anger becomes very real. Those people now have a home back in the Labour Party, and so now we're seeing a return to the genuinely passionate tribalism of old.
 
The Official Monster Raving Looney Party leader said he'd consider his position in the unlikely event any of their candidates kept their deposit. Woodcock's in the wrong party.
 
Unrelated but one improvement in this campaign, compared to the last couple, is the debate about the NHS doesn't include a Tory leader using his deceased son as a deflection tool.

Was just watching some video of NHS workers telling people to vote anything but Tory, explaining they cannot be trusted on it, and the memories of him claiming his experiences meant he could be trusted came back.
 
That's no excuse to try and sabotage the party he is supposed to represent 3 days before the election though.
He is a left over Blairite. I can't speak for everybody but i have always dreamt of having a left wing Labour party and now we have one, some of the members will always resist it.
 
Are we expecting a swing to May after the events in London? I was expecting a swing to Tories after Manchester, as the public often does swing to the right in times like these, but perhaps that's complicated by May having overseen police cuts which are now under immense scrutiny.
 
Are we expecting a swing to May after the events in London? I was expecting a swing to Tories after Manchester, as the public often does swing to the right in times like these, but perhaps that's complicated by May having overseen police cuts which are now under immense scrutiny.
I'm expecting it to be irrelevant.

My uninformed thoughts are that the country seems pretty unaffected by the London attack and that at this stage in the campaign the only thing that makes much of a difference (assuming no monumental cock-ups) is what side of bed we wake up in on Thursday.
 
Jez seems to have backtracked on his tactical masterstroke from earlier

 
Indeed.

I should have said the tory government, she was an integral part of it since 2010 though, and fallon is still there. you get him with may.
Trouble with that is, Corbyn is literally on video at a rally a few years back calling for further cuts to the military and to scrap Trident.
 
Jez seems to have backtracked on his tactical masterstroke from earlier


It really wasn't much of anything, in the same way that it wasn't a masterstroke this recent comment isn't really much of a backtrack.

The original video

 
I'm expecting it to be irrelevant.

My uninformed thoughts are that the country seems pretty unaffected by the London attack and that at this stage in the campaign the only thing that makes much of a difference (assuming no monumental cock-ups) is what side of bed we wake up in on Thursday.
...whilst the uniformed thoughts run contrary
 
...whilst the uniformed thoughts run contrary
Quite. There seems to be a consensus that is helps the Conservative campaign.

As I've said before, in some thread or another, Manchester didn't seem to boost the Tories and Cox's murder didn't seem to help Remain, so I'm skeptical as to whether these things make a noteworthy difference.
 

Oh dear. Not another case of the text misrepresenting the video! Becoming a bit of a habit with Corbyn isn't it?

Wait, he literally says "indeed I would" to a question about whether he'd back calls for her to resign. The text says "he would back calls". Where is the misrepresentation this time?
 
Wait, he literally says "indeed I would" to a question about whether he'd back calls for her to resign. The text says "he would back calls". Where is the misrepresentation this time?
He literally clarifies it at the end of the clip, after hearing the question, that the election is the best opportunity to deal with it. A clip that is a whole 31 seconds long, Ubik.
So he's hardly 'backtracked on his tactical masterstroke from earlier' as you so eloquently put it has he?
 
I'm still inclined to be thinking that more Plod is a better idea for identifying, monitoring & generally catching all kinds of bad guy than less Plod is.
 
He literally clarifies it at the end of the clip, after hearing the question. A clip that is a whole 31 seconds long, Ubik.
So he's hardly 'backtracked on his tactical masterstroke from earlier' as you so eloquently put it has he?
So, he did back calls for her to resign then?
 
It really wasn't much of anything, in the same way that it wasn't a masterstroke this recent comment isn't really much of a backtrack.

The original video


So in the original interview he said that we have a election on Thursday and that's the best way to deal with it.

then he back tracks to Sky by saying.

"I think we should vote on Thursday to decide who our MPs are and decide who our government is."

Isn't that the same message.