General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Investing means putting money into something

University is a form of education

Getting rid of tuition fees involves putting money into universities

No it doesn't, it involves putting money in students pockets! The University doesn't get anything extra, they just get their fees from government, rather than the government spending that money on something useful.
 
Oh so now nukes are no different to regular bombs. Christ, I can't keep up with these goalposts.
So conventional mass bombings with huge casualties aren't taking place all over the world right now as we speak? This notion that the world would police itself without the need for us to have a nuclear deterrent is beyond naive.
 
What prevented her reducing the immigration from outside the EU then, you going to blame the EU for that as well??

No. As I said, EU membership rules and regulations are to blame. Theresa may understood migration concerns, but EU membership R & Rs gave her no hope of changing anything as home secretary.

What does it matter to the EU if she has one seat or 1000 seats?

She has the support of the British people that she's willing to crash the whole damn system if necessary.

Do you think she's not going to wilt when discussing with the EU? It's no good flustering about and saying soundbites when you're having negotiations.

Depends on how much electoral support she has.
 
It actually felt mildly even tonight. A good few really did seem against Corbyn towards the end but could've been due to the nature of the questions/responses etc.
Yeah, I would probably agree, although at times it felt like the opposite of the other night which was pretty pro-labour.
 
At least there's an aim. Corbin just admitted that there won't be a meaningful reduction. Good luck appeasing the millions and millions that voted on just that issue. It's how you alienate a large part of society that's always felt ignored by the political class.

But it's a lie. The government have had full and total control over non-Eu immigration over the last 7 years. It's gone up...it's over 250000 by itself. If they really wanted to it could be 0 tomorrow.

What boils my piss is that tories get to be the party of big business and anti immigration without being held to account on the later. You can't be both.
 
I'm a Labour member and wet liberal lefty, but this dismissal of the nuclear question is crazy to me. It's one of the biggest issues facing humanity, along with climate change, it could literally be the end of the world. It should be one of the first discussions in any election.

Completely disagree, it's a waste of time. I'd much sooner hear about ideas behind countering home terrorism than dick measuring over nucleur weapons. Each to their own.
 
Firstly he didn;t say he wouldn't use them but that he will decide at the time.

And 2ndly their are other countries in the world too who won't look the other way in such a contrived scenario. For example japan and sout korea don't have nukes despite having the capability to produce them and they are at far greater threat from North Korea than UK.
Anyone watching him play dodgeball with that question could tell that he was non comital to using it regardless of the situation.
 
Which one of:
-USA
-Russia
-France
-China
-Israel
-India
-Pakistan

Do you think are likely to nuke us in the next 5-10 years?
Russia is back on the front foot internationally, not respecting borders or conventions. Our closest ally elected a crypto-facist last year. Our nearest neighbour had a facist come second in their presidential election just last month. Did you somehow miss these events?

The world is more dangerous now than at any time since the end of the Cold War, in my opinion. Things can go wrong so quickly, I'm nowhere near as confident as you that nuclear weapons won't be used in the near future. If things go very wrong for Trump, I'd give it a reasonable chance of happening in the next four years.
 
I'm so confused about this nuclear bomb question.

Who the hell are these countries that are imminently about to nuke us exactly? North Korea? Iran with their non existent nukes? Really? Are you kidding me?

Its funny that that guy talked about some crazy in Iran launching a nuke at us. Yet it wouldn't be basically insane to drop a nuke on residential areas in ?Pyongyang/ Beijing/ Washington/ Paris apparently in response to one of them firing a nuke at us? In some weird alternate reality?

Canada, Germany, Japan and just about every major economy other than a very small handful manage to get by without nukes and without this weird discussion about whether you'd be willing to hypothetically slaughter millions of innocent people.

Rather than issues that are actually affecting us in the UK?
 
My problem with the nuclear question was partly because it all felt very hypothetical and based in fantasy. What if questions should only really be asked if they're viable. I'm not sure a nuclear attack is particularly likely or a pertinent threat, and it felt like people making up stuff that's almost certainly not going to happen to question Corbyn on instead of focusing on issues that are key to the election.
 
If we see education as a good thing, what's the problem? As those who want it will then go to university?

At least those who wouldn't have wanted it so much can reap the rewards, should they choose.

Because its wasting money on people that are just going for the university experience and not for the actual education. If its free it should be means tested for the people who can't afford it and should remain free for those abide to a certain standard. I didn't, but got my grants.
 
I'm so confused about this nuclear bomb question.

Who the hell are these countries that are imminently about to nuke us exactly? North Korea? Iran with their non existent nukes? Really? Are you kidding me?

Its funny that that guy talked about some crazy in Iran launching a nuke at us. Yet it wouldn't be basically insane to drop a nuke on residential areas in ?Pyongyang/ Beijing/ Washington/ Paris apparently in response to one of them firing a nuke at us? In some weird alternate reality?

Canada, Germany, Japan and just about every major economy other than a very small handful manage to get by without nukes and without this weird discussion about whether you'd be willing to hypothetically slaughter millions of innocent people.

Rather than issues that are actually affecting us in the UK?
Holy shit. It's almost like international relations don't change, especially over the course of the next 5 years to 50 years.
 
The trouble with Corbyn and the nuclear question is that he can't be fully honest on it. He wants to abandon the system so he can use the funds elsewhere - an idea with plenty of support, I'd say. But given he has to commit to renewing the subs (by the unions as much as anyone), he has to do the obfuscation which doesn't convince. But again, I think this may already be priced in anyway.
 
Anyone watching him play dodgeball with that question could tell that he was non comital to using it regardless of the situation.

Well he should have just said yes, i agree to the contrived scenario but not sure what not committing changes.
 
So conventional mass bombings with huge casualties aren't taking place all over the world right now as we speak? This notion that the world would police itself without the need for us to have a nuclear deterrent is beyond naive.
You do realise that the British government is supplying these bombs right. Sorry to break this to you but you are not the good guys.
 
So conventional mass bombings with huge casualties aren't taking place all over the world right now as we speak? This notion that the world would police itself without the need for us to have a nuclear deterrent is beyond naive.
Blimey, that sounds awful. We need to find the countries supplying these bombs and threaten them with a nuke if they don't stop it.
 
The trouble with Corbyn and the nuclear question is that he can't be fully honest on it. He wants to abandon the system so he can use the funds elsewhere - an idea with plenty of support, I'd say. But given he has to commit to renewing the subs (by the unions as much as anyone), he has to do the obfuscation which doesn't convince. But again, I think this may already be priced in anyway.
He makes an unneccesary ordeal of his answers on the topic. All he needs to say is:

"As President Obama said, I believe we should be working to reduce nuclear stockpiles and ultimately to a world free of nuclear weapons. But I want to leave people in no doubt, should any country launch an attack on Britain I would use any means necessary to defend our country and people, including our nuclear deterrent."
 
One thing that annoys me is MPs have no experience in real work especially in the departments they represent. Minister of defence should have military experience, minister of health should have experience of working in health services.
This is incredibly naive. No one has a clear idea of what the job market will look like in 20 years thanks to the inevitable rise of AI. In fact flexibility in skills is going to be very important. We should be making sure (1) that students are not overly financially burdened by their choice of study, a choice which may turn out to be a lot less useful than anticipated, and (2) that retraining or changing careers is financially viable, something that it currently is not - second degrees are ££££
If AI takes over that much, there will not be many jobs available for anyone. If a persons degree is useless upon graduation then they chose a worthless degree or the wrong degree and thats on them. If flexible skills are required then perhaps degrees are not the way forward seeing as they are specialised and take time to achieve, whilst being flexible in skills is usually dependent on the person.
 
One thing that annoys me is MPs have no experience in real work especially in the departments they represent. Minister of defence should have military experience, minister of health should have experience of working in health services.

If AI takes over that much, there will not be many jobs available for anyone. If a persons degree is useless upon graduation then they chose a worthless degree or the wrong degree and thats on them. If flexible skills are required then perhaps degrees are not the way forward seeing as they are specialised and take time to achieve, whilst being flexible in skills is usually dependent on the person.

Can't tell you the amount of times i've said this in the last two years. I completely agree with you.
 
Holy shit. It's almost like international relations don't change, especially over the course of the next 5 years to 50 years.

Holy shit indeed. Its almost like nobody has been nuked in the past 70 years, regardless of whether they have nukes or not! Incredible.

Its fine though. Because Trump's finger is going to slip soon. Or Xi will decide that he's had enough of peaceful growth and instead. Or Kim, who couldn't give two fecks about the UK, will suddenly decide to nuke London. Or Macron will decide the negotiations for Brexit are just too difficult. Or something. Right?

Again, what are the realistic scenarios that you forsee in the next 5 years where the UK is engaged in nuclear conflict with one of the aformentioned 8 countries?
 
One thing that annoys me is MPs have no experience in real work especially in the departments they represent. Minister of defence should have military experience, minister of health should have experience of working in health services.

Aye, unfortunately appointments tend to be more ideological, made to either placate certain MP's from within or even more cynically, to set them up for a fall. May likely put Boris in as foreign secretary to ensure he wasn't plotting against her from behind the scenes and to ensure his reputation would be ruined if he fecked up too badly; the fact he's got no relative competence to hold the position didn't seem to matter.

Likewise, Jeremy Hunt's awful as Health Secretary but is mostly a fall-guy, so that when the Tories do get rid of him attention is diverted his way, and the wider failings of the party are ignored.
 
So conventional mass bombings with huge casualties aren't taking place all over the world right now as we speak? This notion that the world would police itself without the need for us to have a nuclear deterrent is beyond naive.

You've jumped the shark there to be honest. No conventional bombing anywhere in the world has the potential to set off a chain reaction of similar launches that wipe out the human race.
 
I mean, I'm primarily a lefty.

But I like things to move slowly over time. Doing everything Labour want to do in a single term would be really difficult to get right. And all on the back drop of Brexit.

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