General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%

  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%

  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%

  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%

  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%
  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
ClutchHunter said:
That guy yesterday attacking Corbyn for imposing a minimum wage on him/his employees... perhaps if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage then your business is a failure. Perhaps the wellbeing of the millions on minimum wage is more important than the businesses that rely upon the underpaid labor of its employees. Crazy talk in the 21st century I know, crazy I am. Raving!

This country is so far right of me that I feel obligated to emigrate.
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It's not even a "for the good of your employees issue". This is how capitalism works!

From memory, he has a clothing store. Let's say the cost of tweed increases 100 percent due to a war in some country or another. Some businesses will be able to handle the increase cost. Others won't and they will disappear. Only the strongest survive. The customers from the ones that disappeared will move on, and the remaining businesses will grow.

He has 3 years to learn to adsorb the cost. If he can't, his business will close, and another that can actually pay their staff will replace him.
 
ClutchHunter said:
That guy yesterday attacking Corbyn for imposing a minimum wage on him/his employees... perhaps if you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage then your business is a failure. Perhaps the wellbeing of the millions on minimum wage is more important than the businesses that rely upon the underpaid labor of its employees. Crazy talk in the 21st century I know, crazy I am. Raving!

This country is so far right of me that I feel obligated to emigrate.
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Yet he could clearly afford to send his kids to Public School because he was moaning about VAT on school fees as well.

There's a word for him beginning with C and ending with 'unt'.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
We really do need to stop having parents.
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They taught me how to read, and now I can teach them how to read more than a headline.

"Spot has a big red ball.
Spot plays with his big red ball.
Spot loses his big red ball.
It's all the fault of the last Labour government."
 
NinjaFletch said:
Yet he could clearly afford to send his kids to Public School because he was moaning about VAT on school fees as well.

There's a word for him beginning with C and ending with 'unt'.
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The cheek of him to claim he was a 'salt of the earth Mancunian'..
 
Can you survive on £25k a year

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Link to spreadsheet

How on earth could a nurse end up using food banks?

(There is a lot I am missing here, but I will let others play)
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Again, what relevance does this have? Food bank demand has increased hugely. Unless you think frivolous spending by the those on low incomes has increased hugely then it is utterly ridiculous to imply the problem is due to individuals mismanaging their finances rather than government policy.
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Demand and supply have gone up independently of each other. Food bank use was unheard of a decade ago because there were no food banks, and the few that existed required difficult to obtain referrals to use them. Now they are common and there are plenty that don't require a referral any more.
 
Labour really need to ensure people having the costings to hand when they're launching a policy.
 
rcoobc said:
Whats the average hours that a nurse works? What region was this person in?

£25k to a home owner with no or a low mortgage is easy money. £25k for someone living in an expensive region, spending £1k a month on rent, £1.5k on council tax, £1k a year on gas an electricity, £1k a year on car insurance, £1k a year on petrol, £300 a year on car maintenance, £360 a year on water, £360 a year on a telephone line...

Oh and that £25k a year wage is actually £20.3k after tax.

That leaves £60 a week for food, school fees, and everything else.

I don't think any of my numbers there are unreasonable. If you are working 60 hours a week as a single wage earner with dependents in an expensive region, it's not unreasonable to say there is no way it's sustainable.
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Exactly. Money is relative and everyone's circumstances are different. My childcare bill cost more than my rent.
 
11101 said:
Demand and supply have gone up independently of each other. Food bank use was unheard of a decade ago because there were no food banks, and the few that existed required difficult to obtain referrals to use them. Now they are common and there are plenty that don't require a referral any more.
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My friends dad volunteers at a food bank in Manchester and you still need a referral. And food banks did exist a decade ago they just weren't as common.
 
QuackQuack said:
Exactly. Money is relative and everyone's circumstances are different. My childcare bill cost more than my rent.
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No doubt there are some one here that would blame you for not thinking in advance how much having a child would cost!

Childcare is something I haven't factored in (we luckily have grandparents who are free)
I don't know how a single parent on low wages could cope without benefits.

Me and my Mrs were on £17k with me as the sole earner (so like £14k net?), and managed to make ends meet on £8k rent, £1k Council Tax, etc, without too much difficulty. But rent has gone up since then, car insurance, council tax, etc... and we had zero child care costs.
 
To think some wanted Boris as Prime Minister. Hope the Tories keep sending him out there.
 
rcoobc said:
No doubt there are some one here that would blame you for not thinking in advance how much having a child would cost!

Childcare is something I haven't factored in (we luckily have grandparents who are free)
I don't know how a single parent on low wages could cope without benefits.

Me and my Mrs were on £17k with me as the sole earner (so like £14k net?), and managed to make ends meet on £8k rent, £1k Council Tax, etc, without too much difficulty. But rent has gone up since then, car insurance, council tax, etc... and we had zero child care costs.
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You are lucky to have help with childcare but I'm telling myself it's not forever. So if you factor in that you need childcare to go to work and then travel cost etc yeah I can see why someone on a salary like that may need some assistance from food banks
 
Just give us pr ffs, let the loony posh bastards separate from the smarmy ones. Make it so people can vote for fiscally conservative parties without voting for racist fecks.
 
Speaking to senior people at work who are more Tory leaning and mood has shifted regarding May. She's alienating people with her incompetence and lack of personability.

I remember them singing her praises months back and now they can't stand her.

They still think she'll win but have no love for her.
 
rcoobc said:
Whats the average hours that a nurse works? What region was this person in?

£25k to a home owner with no or a low mortgage is easy money. £25k for someone living in an expensive region, spending £1k a month on rent, £1.5k on council tax, £1k a year on gas an electricity, £1k a year on car insurance, £1k a year on petrol, £300 a year on car maintenance, £360 a year on water, £360 a year on a telephone line...

Oh and that £25k a year wage is actually £20.3k after tax.

That leaves £60 a week for food, school fees, and everything else.

I don't think any of my numbers there are unreasonable. If you are working 60 hours a week as a single wage earner with dependents in an expensive region, it's not unreasonable to say there is no way it's sustainable.
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Child maintenance should contribute another £200 a month based on a similar wage to the single parent. Are there any benefits for a parent with a deceased partner or one that won't pay?
 
Seems to be a good number of working class voting for May, with some really dumb fecking reasoning, just like with Brexit.

I thought the Tories had had a nightmare with the way the campaigning was going, but they've obviously reached a decent amount of people.
 
QuackQuack said:
My friends dad volunteers at a food bank in Manchester and you still need a referral. And food banks did exist a decade ago they just weren't as common.
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I only ever tried to use a foodbank once. Found out I needed a referral and went down to the council to get one. They told me to fill in a form and wait. Later they came out with a £75 Tesco card instead. I guess the expression on my face would have made a good picture. Had to suppress a "WOOHOOOOO!!!".
 
Ubik said:
Labour really need to ensure people having the costings to hand when they're launching a policy.
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You mean memorised, the 'interviewer' had them in front of her. Again, rather interesting that how big a deal this is depends on the party the person is representing.

Maybe Corbyn should just answer any question on costings by promising a consultation after the election? Seems to be fine and dandy for someone else I can think of.
 
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rcoobc said:
No doubt there are some one here that would blame you for not thinking in advance how much having a child would cost!

Childcare is something I haven't factored in (we luckily have grandparents who are free)
I don't know how a single parent on low wages could cope without benefits.

Me and my Mrs were on £17k with me as the sole earner (so like £14k net?), and managed to make ends meet on £8k rent, £1k Council Tax, etc, without too much difficulty. But rent has gone up since then, car insurance, council tax, etc... and we had zero child care costs.
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But you just quoted a spreadsheet where earning £25K was barely enough where as your family was getting by on £17K "without too much difficulty". I am not saying that £14K is enough to live on properly, and well done for managing it, but you can put any numbers you like into a spreadsheet to give the answer you want.
 
Raees said:
Speaking to senior people at work who are more Tory leaning and mood has shifted regarding May. She's alienating people with her incompetence and lack of personability.

I remember them singing her praises months back and now they can't stand her.

They still think she'll win but have no love for her.
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Who has love for politicians then? They are all slimy and dishonest.
 
Sassy Colin said:
But you just quoted a spreadsheet where earning £25K was barely enough where as your family was getting by on £17K "without too much difficulty". I am not saying that £14K is enough to live on properly, and well done for managing it, but you can put any numbers you like into a spreadsheet to give the answer you want.
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Rent going up is the big one. I think when we leave here, we'll be looking at spending nearly double what we originally were :( Or maybe, moving away, which will break my Mrs heart.

Council tax has also gone up by approximately 25%

Water bill is also going up 250% (don't ask)

Gas and Electricity is going up.

In truth, we lost a bit of money from doing what we did, but we had some saved up, so it wasn't a problem.
 
Sassy Colin said:
But you just quoted a spreadsheet where earning £25K was barely enough where as your family was getting by on £17K "without too much difficulty". I am not saying that £14K is enough to live on properly, and well done for managing it, but you can put any numbers you like into a spreadsheet to give the answer you want.
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Also, the difference I guess is; we were only doing it for a short time, we had family to support us, we had money saved up, and there were two of us.

If you are alone, have been alone for many years, with no financial safety net, and no extended family, it's a different story.

As you say, we can find a situation where seemingly decent amounts of money aren't enough to live on somewhere.

Maybe this Nurse lives in East Anglia, has a husband earning £35k, and is just generally awful with money. Or maybe she lives alone, works 60 hours a week, has two kids, and is privately renting which is constantly going up near London.

Who knows
 
VeevaVee said:
Seems to be a good number of working class voting for May, with some really dumb fecking reasoning, just like with Brexit.

I thought the Tories had had a nightmare with the way the campaigning was going, but they've obviously reached a decent amount of people.
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Lot of people aren't up to date on politics and get the stuff they know from the papers or snippets on the news. Apparently the BBC bulletin after last night's debate was awful for Corbyn and good for May, and the papers are mainly siding with May.

For a lot of people, Brexit remains the core issue and that is what the Tories are focusing on.

Here is what is scrolling on Sky News regarding the debate:
  • Prime Minister Theresa May says "No deal is better than a bad deal" after Brexit negotiations
  • Theresa May says our social care policy is "about ensuring that nobody is going to have to sell the house to pay for care in their lifetime"
  • Corbyn says there will be a deal following negotiations
  • Corbyn has not directly confirmed if he would order to kill someone with a drone strike if they posed a security risk to the UK
Overall will resonate better with votes towards Conservative party than the Labour party.

Edit: Now Sky going on about the costings with Corbyn forgetting cost for new childcare policy in a radio interview.

On the debate last night there was not one question towards May about lack of costing in their manifesto.
 
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rcoobc said:
Also, the difference I guess is; we were only doing it for a short time, we had family to support us, we had money saved up, and there were two of us.

If you are alone, have been alone for many years, with no financial safety net, and no extended family, it's a different story.

As you say, we can find a situation where seemingly decent amounts of money aren't enough to live on somewhere.

Maybe this Nurse lives in East Anglia, has a husband earning £35k, and is just generally awful with money. Or maybe she lives alone, works 60 hours a week, has two kids, and is privately renting which is constantly going up near London.

Who knows
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Exactly my point, which is why that spreadsheet is irrelevant.
 
Damien said:
Lot of people aren't up to date on politics and get the stuff they know from the papers or snippets on the news. Apparently the BBC bulletin after last night's debate was awful for Corbyn and good for May, and the papers are mainly siding with May.

For a lot of people, Brexit remains the core issue and that is what the Tories are focusing on.

Here is what is scrolling on Sky News regarding the debate:
  • Prime Minister Theresa May says "No deal is better than a bad deal" after Brexit negotiations
  • Theresa May says our social care policy is "about ensuring that nobody is going to have to sell the house to pay for care in their lifetime"
  • Corbyn says there will be a deal following negotiations
  • Corbyn has not directly confirmed if he would order to kill someone with a drone strike if they posed a security risk to the UK
Overall will resonate better with votes towards Conservative party than the Labour party.

Edit: Now Sky going on about the costings with Corbyn forgetting cost for new childcare policy in a radio interview.

On the debate last night there was not one question towards May about lack of costing in their manifesto.
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It's shocking isn't it? But not really surprising.
 
Do those who claimed the media were impartial still think thats the case? And I'm not talking about anti-corbyn agendas but anti-labour or anti-opposition government
 
Smores said:
Do those who claimed the media were impartial still think thats the case? And I'm not talking about anti-corbyn agendas but anti-labour or anti-opposition government
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It seems clear that the press if favouring the party promising to scrap Leveson 2.
 
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