Not far off.
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Maybe not, and it's anyone's guess what the majority is going to be
Betfair are giving it a 50% chance of being over 80 seats.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.131146542
But for me, Tories have suffered over the last few weeks, but nowhere near enough to prevent them from securing their slight victory
Yep, I respected him for resigning over 28 day detention, and for taking the UK Govt to court over online surveillance.
I can see why he considers Corbyn a friend even if they are very dissimilar- both principled.
I expect a healthy Tory win. Not the kind of win May thought she could get but more than twenty.
Did you expect anything else?
TV debates, interviews, and this sort of adversarial debating rarely produce anything of note and are mostly an exercise in damage limitation. The only people who ever make significant gains on these things are the ones who are both good orators and unknown to the public like Clegg in 2010.
For the rest its a largely pointless exercise that does nothing but give politics nerds the chance to enjoy watching the other party squirm. I'm not even convinced many people watch them.
Spot on.
And even that turned out to be made of sand when they ended up losing seats on election day.
You're entirely right, and no I didn't really expect anything else. Whether it's the US Presidential debates or a local debate on some local issue, they don't tend to make much difference. They are also an ineffective form of marketing in themselves.
But if there was to be a halt to the Tory train, it had to happen here. I don't think we saw it though. It's rather deflating.
Got an extra 1 million votes though if I recall.
The laughs May was getting out of the audience as she fumbled were more like on a late night chat show.
That was funny. I remember the bemusement on the faces of senior Lib Dems till this day. They couldn't believe they'd actually done worse than in 2005. Then they failed to scrap FPTP.
Wrong battles in hindsight. So many mistakes.
It's unbelievable they agreed to form a government without asking for PR to be the first thing that gets approved.
Sums it up for me.
Yeah increased vote share a bit, but getting 23% when you were polling about 27% will always feel extra defeating. There's probably a lesson there about polls and young voters
They increased their vote share by a percentage point.
Ah the joys of FPTP. You have to assume people ideologically attracted to them voted with their brain in marginal seats on the day.
Theresa May: A bloody difficult woman to take seriously.
I wish that they weren't being so obvious with the talking point.
One of the strongest assets that Corbyn has is his authenticity- it's a but blatant and politics as usual to hear every Labour party member saying the same line. Leave that to Maybot and the Machine.
Just caught up with that, absolute car crash from May. Felt Corbyn dealt with it very well, doubt these interviews really change many people's opinions though.
People forget this. They think that the Lib Dems did well in 2010.
Its the only time my non-political friends spend any time listening to either leader so I'm not sure about that.
I find it wierd anyone saying that was a draw, Corbyn came off normal and May weak which is the exact opposite of what the papers have been presenting for months.
No ground-breaking moment but these things are always death by a thousand cuts.
Honestly, I don't think there is anything to be ashamed of with how the Lib Dems did in 2010. They did what they had to do, which was prevent both the Tories and Labour from getting a majority, and allow themselves to finally, finally, get into a position of power. They could shake off the "no experience" line, they could show the UK that having coalition governments can work, and work well.Yeah increased vote share a bit, but getting 23% when you were polling about 27% will always feel extra defeating. There's probably a lesson there about polls and young voters
And then they fecked it up.
I think that on Redcafe we are generally more sympathetic to Corbyn's politics than the average voter.
My guess is that the unwashed masses will be more likely to vote for May than Corbyn after watching that.
Take away points;
Corbyn= sympathy for terrorists and our enemies
May= feck the EU
The rest will be forgotten about/ is secondary
We did the meerkat one at London zoo- is quite fun as they scamper all over you. We did a red panda morning somewhere- they are the sweetest creatures on earth. The best one was feeding lemurs when we volunteered in a South African zoo for a week- they leap all over you.
Front pages of tomorrows broadsheets sum up the absolute state of the United Kingdom. Run and will continue to be run by a disgusting, tiresome, self serving incestuous elite at every level.
Yeah I agree on that, was really just making the point that even in a case when a debate had a clear effect on polls, it didn't seem to have a big effect on the final outcome. But then at the same time we don't know the counterfactual, and the Lib Dems could've done even worse without the debate performance...
Think more will watch the BBC QT one. Even I didn't watch this and I'm vaguely obsessed with politics.
Meh wont make a difference anyway.
They did fine. They went to 57 seats from 62, whilst increasing their share of the vote. Whilst Labour lost nearly 30% of their seats, and lost 6% of the vote. Nothing ground breaking, nothing awful. They stayed relevant. They stayed in a position to act as key makers.
Check out #TheresaMayGifs on twitter now for a laugh.
Then again, May also came across as someone who isn't trustworthy and doesn't do her job well (Paxman interview). It's difficult to know whether people would get caught up in the words May was using and zoning out rather than actually listening to what she said. Most of the time ignoring the questions she was given and instead coming out with rehearsed lines. When she was forced to think on her feet she bombed badly.
Staying relative when given a chance of a lifetime, with a clean sheet and three way debates... Honestly I was expecting them to do so much better. I was hoping for them to do so (as this was before we learnt they were happy to prop up Tories).
It depends what you mean by non-political though. I would say a lot of my friends are not political in that they don't enjoy discussing politics, but they're well informed and make a decision based on what they consume even if thats not as much as you or I. Nevertheless, on the spectrum of political engagement they're still relatively engaged.
Beyond that, there is a subset of voters who will vote based on virtually nothing and who don't engage with anything like this. There was a Yougov survey the other week about slogans that pointed out that 'STRONG AND STABLE' had only been heard by 15% of the electorate. That's a crazy number considering the fact that it's overuse had become a meme to the 15% that had heard it.
Crosby is definitely putting his foot down on message discipline
If I were a major party figure I'd be wary of how much traction this argument holds. It essentially seems to be the Tories attempting to ignore actual policy, instead focusing on why voters have to back them for something they've imposed upon the country, instead of why they should.
And, again, anyone who's even remotely politically astute will ask the Tories one thing: if having them in charge is so pivotal, so vital to the Brexit process...why the feck did they call an election?! They had a guaranteed method of ensuring they were the ones exacting this process. A method which involved just...doing what they were doing. Without an election. They quite literally had a guarantee which could've ensured they were in government until a full year after the Article 50 debacle was done and dusted. And they chose to...err, ignore it!
Most people will only see the highlights and the only 'zinger' was her getting called a blowhard - most people will sneeringly enjoy that moment but it doesn't affect her electability.
The struggles won't be on the 24 hour news. Her saying that she is willing to walk away without a deal will be- and that may be a horrendous idea but the average voter won't think about the consequences.. they just voted for chaos once, why not again?
And also you'd hope Labour would hammer them on 'no deal' being a fecking terrible idea and make people worse off. I think the Tories are vulnerable to it being portrayed as something for the rich that the poor would have to foot the bill for.
That would be a great speech if it was being made by say, someone who had been in a coma for the last 50 years or even better, some sort of alien life form. Getting lectured on the importance of NHS, welfare and fecking 'liberal values' by a sodding Tory. 
Well i was using the bottom range as my example those who don't follow current events, i dont know if this is seen as the one event to bother with or not. All anecdotal though (i.e pointless) and yeah i remember that poll and thinking the same at the time.
Think the news reels will carry more weight and Corbyn will fare worse with that annoyingly.