General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Are the SNP having a fairly poor campaign or am I too far away to accurately tell?

News of the attack on the nurse seems bizarre, I hope they're rightfully hurt by it.
Joanna cherry is a thoroughly unpleasant person. Hope their thuggery costs them a seat or two.

Its amazing how the snp hoards get a free pass for online mob mentality compared to the brexiters.
 
If i was cynical id say the deployment of armed forces is certainly a political device aimed at her security weak opponent.

Its hard to care given the deaths of children tbh but any chance of limiting the tory victory have gone.

Army on the streets after cuts mean we have 20,000 less coppers? It really doesn't play as well as you think once you look behind the curtain.
 
Army on the streets after cuts mean we have 20,000 less coppers? It really doesn't play as well as you think once you look behind the curtain.

People won't generally look behind the curtain though. They'll just see a 'strong' PM taking action. The whole thing is depressingly predictable.
 
People won't generally look behind the curtain though. They'll just see a 'strong' PM taking action. The whole thing is depressingly predictable.

Totally agree, she can display the 'strong & stable' leadership rather than just talk about it. Meanwhile, no one else can get any screen time. And what would they say anyway.
 
Totally agree, she can display the 'strong & stable' leadership rather than just talk about it. Meanwhile, no one else can get any screen time. And what would they say anyway.

As the links to Libya grow, and possibly Syria does this really play well for her? Corbyn voted against libya involvement precisely because it would leave a vacuum that extremist would fill (he said the same about Iraq at the speech in front of the million march). May voted for both.

May is also gung ho about toppling assad, which would leave ISIS de facto in control of large regions of that country too.

I think people have had enough of us meddling in the middle east, there are no good guys, the people there are screwed either way and nothing we do ever makes it better. Blair and Cameron have state provided 24/7 security, they don;t live with the consequences of their half assed actions, concert goers do.
 
As the links to Libya grow, and possibly Syria does this really play well for her? Corbyn voted against libya involvement precisely because it would leave a vacuum that extremist would fill (he said the same about Iraq at the speech in front of the million march). May voted for both.

May is also gung ho about toppling assad, which would leave ISIS de facto in control of large regions of that country too.


I think people have had enough of us meddling in the middle east, there are no good guys, the people there are screwed either way and nothing we do ever makes it better. Blair and Cameron have state provided 24/7 security, they don;t live with the consequences of their half assed actions, concert goers do.

If the media had any sense of justice and morality, they would push for this angle... instead when I googled Corbyn, I saw more IRA related stuff post the terror attack than ever before.
 
As the links to Libya grow, and possibly Syria does this really play well for her? Corbyn voted against libya involvement precisely because it would leave a vacuum that extremist would fill (he said the same about Iraq at the speech in front of the million march). May voted for both.

May is also gung ho about toppling assad, which would leave ISIS de facto in control of large regions of that country too.

I think people have had enough of us meddling in the middle east, there are no good guys, the people there are screwed either way and nothing we do ever makes it better. Blair and Cameron have state provided 24/7 security, they don;t live with the consequences of their half assed actions, concert goers do.

I think it does play well for her, unfortunately, Noggers.

Also, she's less likely to cock this up. The rhetoric required at this time almost writes itself. Your version is all a bit difficult, innit?
 
If i was cynical id say the deployment of armed forces is certainly a political device aimed at her security weak opponent.

Its hard to care given the deaths of children tbh but any chance of limiting the tory victory have gone.

There is historical precedent for such measures though, under both Labour and Tory administrations. Increases in armed security are part of what the public expect to see at a time like this in fact.


There is a risk to the Tories too. Their majority is going to be built on ex-UKIP voters. If Nuttall wants he could push the shameless Islamophobia for the next few weeks and bring some of those voters back

Perhaps, although Nuttall has been pursuing a form of that what you suggest ever since becoming leader with little effect. There'll probably be some returnees contemplating an about-face, but not more than were given cause to doubt by the manifesto.


Army on the streets after cuts mean we have 20,000 less coppers? It really doesn't play as well as you think once you look behind the curtain.

While the number of armed officers began to decline from 2009 onwards, they never fell by 20,000 (and they are what this decision primarily centres on).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35940233

As a country where the police are not routinely armed, the challenge for us is always going to be one of distribution.
 
As the media inevitably reframe this election campaign to be about national security, Labour really need to go on the attack here or they'll get slaughtered. There's plenty of ammo available such as the arms sales to SA and generally cosying up to them, the historical voting history of May and Corbs, not to mention Corbs general and consistent stance of being anti-interventionist outside of a few exceptions.

Unfortunately we're living in 1984 now with perpetual wars, a media who cosy up to the government and help facilitate their actions, and the backwards notion that fecking around in the middle-east is somehow protecting us, instead of putting a huge target on our backs. Corbyn's 'radical' history of attempting to actually reason with terrorists instead of bombing them has our media chomping at the bit too.
 
As the media inevitably reframe this election campaign to be about national security, Labour really need to go on the attack here or they'll get slaughtered. There's plenty of ammo available such as the arms sales to SA and generally cosying up to them, the historical voting history of May and Corbs, not to mention Corbs general and consistent stance of being anti-interventionist outside of a few exceptions.

Unfortunately we're living in 1984 now with perpetual wars, a media who cosy up to the government and help facilitate their actions, and the backwards notion that fecking around in the middle-east is somehow protecting us, instead of putting a huge target on our backs. Corbyn's 'radical' history of attempting to actually reason with terrorists instead of bombing them has our media chomping at the bit too.

Agreed.. he needs to come out and put the pressure on May. Maybe use the upcoming interview on the Beeb to make it clear. Can't sit back and let them dictate the aftermath and manipulate the disaster into reinforcing the 'strong' and 'stable' rhetoric.
 
I find it quite unseemly that people are trying to play politics with this whilst there are still people lying in hospital.
 
There is historical precedent for such measures though, under both Labour and Tory administrations. Increases in armed security are part of what the public expect to see at a time like this in fact.

There's also plenty of times this hasn't happened though. Like i said it was only a cynical comment, i have no way of knowing so im certainly not judging the decision.

A completely unsubstantiated view of what i expect is that the security services always ask for the highest level following an event.
 
Labour are the right choice I assume?
Not really looked into it if I'm honest, but Labour are for the people while Cons are exactly that, cons who look out for the rich?
 
Hard-hitting news from the frontline.

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Labour are the right choice I assume?
Not really looked into it if I'm honest, but Labour are for the people while Cons are exactly that, cons who look out for the rich?

Right now, yes. The Lib Dems would probably be a decent half way house, but they can't win.
 
Just as an example, Diane Abbot would be Home Secretary. I would feel worried leaving her in a room alone with a sharp pair of scissors.

The likes of Abbott and McDonnell are awful but then so are May, Hunt, Boris etc.
 
So, no breakfasts, but I bet they still scrap the dinners.

I think anyone suggesting the tragedy of the last few days will cover for the tories appalling campaign is underestimating the level of ineptness on display. In a weeks time, reality is people will be far more concerned with grans house and the kids school dinner than they will about Manchester or the poor victims of it.
 
Has anyone actually read the article? They're saying they don't know how much it'll cost, not that they're scrapping the idea.
 
Really looking forward to the jokes about this Tory sum being way off. Obviously the media couldn't find a hook when Rudd got the average police officer's wage wrong and Hammond undervauled the cost of HS2 by £20bn, but they'll definitely have something hilarious for this feck up.

Has anyone actually read the article? They're saying they don't know how much it'll cost, not that they're scrapping the idea.
That is really odd, because they said it would cost £60m a year the night before their manifesto launch. Strong n' stable and all that.
 
Ms. Hartley-Brewer doesn't believe that anyone can not afford to eat breakfast - or feed their child breakfast it might be, to be strictly accurate.
 
What's the purpose of scrapping free lunches and bringing in free breakfast?

Cheaper, and as less kids to cater for as not everyone will get to school in time for them?
 
What's the purpose of scrapping free lunches and bringing in free breakfast?

Cheaper, and as less kids to cater for as not everyone will get to school in time for them?
A 49p bag of porridge oats cooked with water would feed quite a few kids.
 
Paul Mason jumping the shark here