General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
It's a representation of the new tax bands Labour are proposing. You'll be pleased to know he made it clearer for the news at ten, for people that can only get their news via screengrabs of pieces on twitter.
It's a representation yes, a completely wrong one.

Or from the sort of places that have BBC News on mute. Say...train stations or airports, you know places very few people are at any point in time.
 
I read "The Railways" by Simon Bradley a while back. He had some interesting insights re: the effects of rail privatisation which I'll share with you later. Off to play pool and watch the game now though.
 
Really hope he gets reshuffled the feck away from representing us abroad post election.

He'll be kept there till he fecks up enough that he's lost any credibility re becoming a future leader, or a threat to May more pertinently. I think she likes having him close and in a major, important role, instead of moping around on the backbenches.
 
The subsidy is a red herring. All that matters is how much money is taken out of the system in the form of profits. Last figure I could see was £300M total profits for all TOCs from just under £8bn total operating costs. That figure was 4 yrs ago though, may be different now.
So about 3.75% profit... I guess the follow up to that is do we think a private company might be 3.75% more efficient than a public entity? (Not even taking into account restructuring and reorganisation costs)
 
But you've already said that in your opinion, "greedy companies are taking all the profits is not a serious argument" for taking train operations into public ownership? Which in itself is very odd since it is one of the main arguments for it... possibly the biggest.

From my point of view... to maintain the existing service would cost less under public ownership than the current system. For the exact reason you are keen to ignore... we pay billions in subsidies with a significant portion going towards dividends for shareholders. Now, if we want to really improve the current operations and service... we'd still have to put the sums of money in because under the current system, private operators won't invest without demanding reimbursement through subsidies. So do we pay even more in subsidies to fund it? Public sector borrowing is also less expensive than private...


fair enough. If your numbers are correct, privatization could make sense. It is a big call with significant downside risks, so hopefully Labour is having a very good and realistic plan how to do it. It is a valid proposal if it is based on realistic assumptions and not just ideological conviction.

Not really. In long-distance travel the public company SBB has a monopoly. The other companies almost exclusively work in near-distance travel. It's not only a monopoly on rail either, it's a monopoly on long-distance travel per se. There is no competition from the bus. The idea behind the monopoly is that the govt. thinks train is better than bus altogether (various reasons) and it a.) drives up numbers (which is important as you have stated in your previous post) and b.) allows them to subsidize the weaker regions with the stronger ones internally (something that is regulated in their concession). The govt. is thinking about maybe giving one or two of these main routes to a competitor to fire up their asses but nothing decided yet.

What you touch on the last paragraph though is imo the gist of all three of the public services mail/energy/transportation.

There is another debate to be had about the infrastructure in energy (who is going to pay for nuclear waste 10 years down the line?) and rail (too expensive service if infrastructure costs are included in tickets.

thanks for clarifying that. I thought that anyone could bid for the national concessions as well, but that was wrong. It might change in the near future so; two regional provider (SOB and BLS) are trying to bid for some connections.
Infrastructure is tricky. No idea how to handle that the best way.

When it comes to energy, it is sadly pretty clear how this is going to end up. Nuclear power plants are overall just one gigantic subsidy scheme. The government usually pays part of the construction costs, insures the risk and is obviously going to end up paying for taking care of the waste. Yet the energy companies are pocketing most of the profit. If a country wants the have them, the government should own and run them.

Mail is fortunately not really a problem anymore.
 
Some leaked details from the Tory manifesto, which will be unveiled on Thursday:

- The universal winter payment for pensioners is to now be means-tested, with an estimated saving of 1.7bn

- 1bn in additional investment for Education, paid for by the means-testing of school meal provision

- Tax-free personal allowance to continue its planned increase to £12,500

- Similarly, the 40p threshold will rise to £50,000

- Doubling of the Immigration Skills Charge from £1,000-2,000
 
Some leaked details from the Tory manifesto, which will be unveiled on Thursday:
- Tax-free personal allowance to continue its planned increase to £12,500

- Similarly, the 40p threshold will rise to £50,000
No complaints there.

Since people love talking about costing, wonder what impact this has, particularly the latter.
 
No complaints there.

Since people love talking about costing, wonder what impact this has, particularly the latter.

Raising the personal allowance is a shit policy.

It doesn't help genuinely poor people, e.g. those already earning less than 12k or roughly the bottom 5%. But it is a nice (albeit small) tax giveaway to almost everyone else including those earning up to 123k.
 
I know Britain is in an utterly self-destructive cycle, but promising to devastate higher education by cutting international student numbers is just another example of how thick we have become.
 
I know Britain is in an utterly self-destructive cycle, but promising to devastate higher education by cutting international student numbers is just another example of how thick we have become.
I also don't get why they wouldn't take them out. It's popular even among Tories, and would make the numbers look lower straight away.

Beginning to think this "Global Britain" lark may have been a heap of shit.
 
Presumably the Immigrant Skills Charge will go from non-EU to non-UK as of 2019. I'm guessing that the idea is to make resident workers more appealing to employers (or their training). This is the first i've heard about the scheme mind you.

The NHS stuff is one of those stories where the headlines are normally out of proportion with the impact.
 
Don't worry - on a day that this happened, Amber Rudd says the average police officer's wage is £40k to much jeering and Boris' found time for yet another gaffe none of them have been deemed as newsworthy as Diane Abbott was by the Beeb or ITV News.

Yeah but thankfully when Kuenssberg tweeted Hammond was coming up she did a post interview reaction calling out the gaffe.

What she didn't? Must have been busy tweeting about dogs at polling stations i guess.
 
Some leaked details from the Tory manifesto, which will be unveiled on Thursday:

- The universal winter payment for pensioners is to now be means-tested, with an estimated saving of 1.7bn

- 1bn in additional investment for Education, paid for by the means-testing of school meal provision

- Tax-free personal allowance to continue its planned increase to £12,500

- Similarly, the 40p threshold will rise to £50,000

- Doubling of the Immigration Skills Charge from £1,000-2,000

Dont fancy mentioning the changes to social care?

Be interesting to see the Telegraph try shake off their cognitive dissonance on May going after pensioners.
 
Considering the vast bulk of the Tory poll lead comes from pensioners, they could be playing a pretty dangerous game there.
 
Dont fancy mentioning the changes to social care?

I don't have a problem with the means-testing of the the winter payment, for the broader social care budget is in need of the cash. However the following is going to call for some fancy footwork on May's part:

The second part of the funding plan is to charge pensioners with assets of more than £100,000 for domiciliary care. For the first time, the value of pensioners’ homes will be taken into account when they are means-tested for care visits, meaning far more people will have to pay towards the cost.

On the one hand, there are already many people use private companies for care as the council service is poor; on the other...voters being forced to sell their homes (or the fear of such) will create a stink strong enough to reach
Whitehall.

She's certainly not trying to become class president with this one.
 
Labour going for the 95% at the expense of the top 5%. Stands to reason the Tories are going the other way.
 
Presumably the Immigrant Skills Charge will go from non-EU to non-UK as of 2019. I'm guessing that the idea is to make resident workers more appealing to employers (or their training). This is the first i've heard about the scheme mind you.

The NHS stuff is one of those stories where the headlines are normally out of proportion with the impact.

On top of the grand I have to find for a visa I also have to pay 500 for the NHS for my wife. I also have to earn 18600. I am lucky I don't have kids because each one would mean earning an extra 2500. Ripping families apart....nothing of consequence
 
Do the Tories' elderly voters value their Werther's or their xenophobia more? There is only one way to find out...

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Considering the vast bulk of the Tory poll lead comes from pensioners, they could be playing a pretty dangerous game there.
There's an article on the Beeb suggesting May's a 'Red Tory' and saying she recently met with someone who was a policy adviser (I think that was it) to Ed Milliband.
 
There's an article on the Beeb suggesting May's a 'Red Tory' and saying she recently met with someone who was a policy adviser (I think that was it) to Ed Milliband.
Maurice Glasman? Yeah he was the brains behind Blue Labour, essentially working class social conservatism. Makes sense.
 
Has there ever been a point where both main political parties have run such an appalling campaign at the same time?
 
Yeah, she's one of them left wing Tories courting the UKIP vote. Makes sense.
I think that genuinely might be her plan. Anti-immigration and socially conservative, is probably enough to get the UKIP vote. Throw in the occasional progressive economic stuff and you can nick the centre as well.
 
'socially conservative' - hang 'em, lock 'em up, family & marriage, bit of Church & Royalty, threaten to do for a few foxes, not as racist as UKIP - BINGO !!! Let's say we cut a bit of tax at both ends, and we're sorted.

(and don't let Boris out again till we're done)
 
'socially conservative' - hang 'em, lock 'em up, family & marriage, bit of Church & Royalty, threaten to do for a few foxes, not as racist as UKIP - BINGO !!! Let's say we cut a bit of tax at both ends, and we're sorted.

(and don't let Boris out again till we're done)
That's the one.
 
The f*cking state of Britain today, when means-testing pensioners for a paltry winter fuel payment is a popular policy...and that in a country notorious for pensioners freezing to death in wintertime.