This is just gross, WUM or not.
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But it wasn't your life.
The Civil War was a holocaust. 620,000 Americans, roughly 2% of the population, died. Of young men of fighting age, 20% to 25% died. It left the South prostrate and the Nation sundered.
Of the soldiers who fought in the Union Army, not a lot cared deeply about slavery. And vanishingly few wished to sacrifice their lives to abolish it. The war was presented to them as a crusade to save the Union.
Lincoln was a political manipulator, dishonest with his People, herding them into a slaughterhouse of his devising, driven not by concern for their welfare but by the fire of his own righteousness, on which they were to be sacrificed.
America burned on that fire.
And yet war itself was - ultimately - all about slavery, and the South's desire to continue to have it as their right. All wars are filled with soldiers who are fighting for a cause they tend not to really believe in. I'm sure plenty of Germans who fought in World War II either didn't believe in Nazism, or wouldn't have believed in Nazism under alternative conditions where it didn't fester and rise. Nevertheless World War II was still probably as close to a justifiable war as we've seen in recent centuries.
There were 3.9 million slaves in the US in 1860, who do not seem to play a part in your calculations.
Exactly... Waste of time engaging.
You're an utterly vile piece of shit.
Finessed your comment for you there, mate.
Don't get angry, just feel sad that people genuinely think like this. It's like all the Trump supporters mouthing off all the time excusing or ignoring or denying his hypocrisy and every single thing he does as long as they feel it makes their lives better or has the illusion of making their lives better.
Pretty much like Wills post their whole attitude is "I'm alright, feck everyone else"
If Obama had done even one of the thousands (And believe me I am not exaggerating there) of things Trump had done then there would have been riots, calls for impeachment and mass protests.
The hypocrisy on the right is as astounding as their ignorance and selfishness and disdain for anyone who doesn't look or think like them.
Obama tried to appease them, if history has taught us anything is that from now on the Dems should just shut up preaching what they think is right for everyone and when they get in power they should just do it. Don't expect thanks afterwards either. The silence will be deafening enough as it is when they realise they will be far better off in the long run.
Some posts deserve a like button. This is one of them.
Listen, i didn't want to judge in my first reponse, i thought that maybe you just didn't know how to word your thoughts or something, but your other posts doubling down show that there's a racial bias there. talking about 620.000 americans without taking into considerations the millions of slaves who most of them were american at that time shows that you care more about the pieces of shit that owned slaves at that time than their fellow human being that they enslaved. no life is more important than other, and certainly not of american people that were for slavery at that time.
And you saying that slavery would have been abolished by the 20th century, not with people thinking like you even in the time we're living in, i wouldn't wanna see how you would have seen things if your scenario of 'finessing' was the one that went on.
I don't want to say things that can get me banned here, so i'll just say that i wouldn't want to know someone like you in real life.
Brazil was the last country in the Western world to abolish slavery. It happened in 1888, 23 years after the end of the American Civil War.
There can be no certainty about alternate history, but how likely is it that the US, with its liberal democratic values, would have stubbornly clung to a system of human bondage which had been repudiated across the entire civilized world.
Can this ignorant racist shit be moved or even better deleted along with the asshole spouting it?
I actually think that people should see it, too many think that it doesn't exist.
Mississippi ratified the 13th amendment in 2013. That puts your thoughts on the matter in the shitter.
I'm sorry langster, Forget Trump, Obama, right, left and center. Forget hypocrisy, selfishness and self rightesouness and all other bullshit. There is basic human decency and then there's being a complete dick. I've been posting in forums long enough not to get riled up by trolls, but he has been posting here for ages and always been the 'that's just will messing about with liberals'. If he is racist, then at least don't hide behind a facade.
That's bizarre. Maybe it fell down behind the radiator and they forgot all about it.
Do you think America would have been a slave owning society when the Wright brothers took off?
Will is an actual fascist who believes in strong leaders and national symbols and subjugation of individuals for the nation as a whole. You cant convince him with facts. He just believes the things he wants to believe.
Yeah... like how it’s bizarre that every time in Southern history when it looked like black people were gaining rights they decided to throw Confederate flags, monuments, and Confederate named private schools up all over the south.
There are tens of thousands of people across the South today who would gladly go back to the slaveholding system.
I'm sure there are. But the tide of history is hard to resist. Many in the South were equally determined to defend their 'way of life' in the 1960s, but lost the fight. This time peacefully.
The Civil War was a holocaust...Dumbest shite I've heard in a decade.
People are actually giving Will too much credit when they think he's wumming. He's not, he's the most vile people I've ever known(online or real life). Even the shits on 4chan don't come out with this type of post as Will regularly comes out.
this is will. you cannot reason with him. you can just tell him to feck off because that's what fascist bigots deserve
Peacefully? Did you miss the murders, peaceful marchers getting shot and attacked with dogs, and the endlesss beatings and attacks?
He can't see your response.
He gone 
I know he’s banned but
I know that it exits. Political Correctness pushed the people who believe this type of thing to only saying it in dark corners. It became the type of thing that some people resented not being able to say out loud. Now in the era of Trump and Brexit people have become emboldened. Racism and Islamophobia are on the rise. People say that Trump and the like are only saying what everybody else is thinking and I'm like those racist bastards don't speak for me.
Back in the late 70's while at school and living in a suburb that was 98% white I even believed some of that crap myself. Then I went to work and went out and socialised in a town that is as multicultural as you can get and I soon realised that the whole argument is bollocks. People are people regardless of the ethnicity or whether they follow a certain religion or not.
What I did find that there were people who would bring up their racial bias whenever they thought that they were in the company of like-minded people. So if I drink in the pubs in this suburb that was once 98% white and now is 90% white I hear about how these ethnic groups are moving in and destroying the neighbourhood. At moments when they really piss me off I'll tell them what I think of their opinions but most time I'll just realise that these are people that I don't want to be associated with.
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And you'll often see some of the worst racist views disguised through shoddy means. Like when someone says they don't think immigrants integrate enough, but then complain about how there are too many immigrants working at their local supermarket. Even though that's pretty much the definition of integration.
No the fight in the 1960's South was for African Americans to have the right to go to the same schools as white people, to ride the bus with white people or to sit in the same coffee shop as white people. Even living the UK I know that this fight was far from peaceful.
Was he banned because of this argument or something else?
Compounded issues over time.
Yeah. as I said I soon realised that there is no logical argument for racism. The main one around here is that you can't get to see a doctor for the immigrants while most of the doctors that you do see are from ethnic groups.
He made some of the oddest posts i’ve seen on any forum and i’ve seen a lot of forums believe me!
That's why as long as he doesn't directly attack other posters you shouldn't delete his posts, they are a reminder of the fact that people live in the dark corners. We need to keep in mind that tolerance and compassion are a day to day work, it's not a given.
Edit: just saw he’s been given the boot. Good riddance
Hell man, the South started the damn war. It wasn’t the Union firing first at Fort Sumter.
And this is coming from someone who A) is a southerner and B) is the direct decendant of Confederate politicians and soldiers.
Yeah... because they got their asses kicked the first time. They knew better than to try to secede again.
Hell man, the South started the damn war. It wasn’t the Union firing first at Fort Sumter.
And this is coming from someone who A) is a southerner and B) is the direct decendant of Confederate politicians and soldiers.
I totally agree. Too many people believe that everything has changed. That the world has become more tolerant. The fact is that there are still a large portion of society that are no more tolerant today than they were 50 years ago. It's sad but It's true.
It's not just a problem with the uneducated either. It's a condition that permeates throughout society. I just can't see how anybody with a logical mind can't see that it is totally bollocks though.
Was the civil rights movement of the 60's peaceful. I thought that there was a lot of violence aimed at the African Americans marching for equality.
Not that I agree with him, but I also don't agree with outright moral policing. His views are not really uncommon and I read has been shared by various people incl Sen Ron Paul.
Anyway from what I see it, his point was not on excusing slavery but but a arguement on historical point.
Well said.
Anyway from what I see it, his point was not on excusing slavery but but a arguement on historical point.
Well said.