He was literally jailed after a very public insurrection attempt and trial (The Beerhall Putsch).
1920s Germans liked what they see, thinking that it was all 'economic anxiety' and not that they were by and large racist fecks is beyond misguided.
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1920s Germans liked what they see, thinking that it was all 'economic anxiety' and not that they were by and large racist fecks is beyond misguided.
He wasn't even remotely coy about what he wanted to do. Anti-semitism, Lebensraum, revanchism, anti-democracy, militarism, reactionary traditionalism, they were all central and very well-communicated positions.
Why the sarcasm? These factors played a significant role in German resentment towards democracy and Weimar, especially when the Great Depression hit. Then there was the fear of the Communists and the left in general.
Hitler wasn't shy about his antisemitism or Lebensraum rhetoric but those weren't the sole factors at play.
Is a combination of factors. The economic anxiety was there as it had been since 2008 in the west. When that happens, the leaders blames who are "different" than "you" to cover their own incompetence and corruption and those are mostly immigrants, that can't vote so they dont care and ethno racial minorities that has little voter power and are easier to identify and corner. is happening now, happened in the 30s in europe, happened in the medieval ages with the jews when they had bigger survivability during pest events and so on
Racism is always there with some people at different levels. Rampant racism is a consequence of the ruling class promoting it, bringing it a flout to cover his skin deviating the attention from them to those minority groups. So economic problems are definitely the reason cover up by racism
Because believe it or not the post WWI German state was doing pretty well despite the reparation during the 20s, and yet throughout that time the Nazis were growing exponentially despite terrorising other political parties with the brown shirts, repeated public overt propagation of their agenda, carrying out a coup against the government , and getting banned. So the obvious conclusion to draw is the Nazi followers of the era were racist fecks who thirsted for revenge out of a feeling of humiliation and shame, not because of the worsening of material condition. They had 130k members in 1929, for a party that was reformed only 3 years earlier, that’s a heck of a lot ‘pent up economic anxiety’.
I’m sick and tired of the liberal way of thinking we can reform people out of their evil ways, and we must always try to see the good in people. No, a lot of them are irredeemable and needed to be fought, not tolerated and coddled.
Ludendorff should get a chunk of the blame for his stab in the back myth too. That created resentment the Nazis bought into (and Ludendorff was a Nazi too).
There was hardcore far right support for the Nazis but they received less than 3% of the votes in 1928. Then the Great Depression hit, the situation in Germany deteroriated, civil unrest increased, many Germans feared the Communists coming to power and in that toxic cocktail the Nazis managed to rally more people towards their sides. And there was anti-Weimar and anti-democratic sentiment brewing throughout the 1920s.
No need to be sarcastic about the Versailles Treaty and the Great Depression in my opinion. These were fairly detailed laid out in the book Coming of the Third Reich by historian Richard Evans.
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Republican voice of reason:
In early 1922, 160 German marks was equal to one US dollar. By November 1923, the currency had depreciated to 4,200,000,000,000 marks to one US dollar.
In 1923, the exchange rate between the dollar and the Mark was one trillion Marks to one dollar
Now that's what you call inflation!
The Republican party isn't coming back to this kind of voter. It's gone.
Sorry, which mass immigrations are you referring to?
The "immigration" of China is more of a country conquers China, decides to make China (Beijing, Nanjing, Hangzhou, Luoyang etc etc) the seat of governance and incorporates their previous realm into the Chinese Empire.
Yuan and Qing dynasties are perfect examples of that. In those particular instances the domestic populaces of Manchu's and Mongol peoples never moved into Core Qin-Empire era provinces, but instead the ruling elite went and governed the whole of China instead.
There were lots of mass migration internally, from millenia of famine, starvation and war but in this context I'm not sure which external migrations you're really referring to?
What does liberalism have to do with white working class genXers with their brain broken by lead voting for a con man?
And it fell even further during his term in charge. You won't get a defense of American foreign policy out of me, but it's just straight up disingenuous to pretend that Republicans are meaningfully better when they are empirically worse. Vietnam, Iran-Contra, Gulf War, Afghan/Iraq, all of the big foreign bungles in the past 50 years were started by Republican administrations, and helped along the way by Democratic ones, sometimes passively, sometimes enthusiastically.
You really shouldn't embarrass yourself any further. Half the population of the Eurasian steppes swarmed Northern China over centuries, there's nothing fecking 'internal' about it.
Yes, and the reason and utility for its existence died with the abolition of slavery. Its continued existence since is an affront to representative democracy and has lead to the subversion of the popular will and dire consequences for the system itself when people get increasingly alienated as 'their votes don't matter'.
It's an observable added benefits of reproductive rights. You know what's actual eugenics? The kind of forced sterilisation of poor people that happened before Roe.
If United is playing any better, I won't have to.
You errr, are aware that outside of the ruling elite, even during the Yuan Dynasty when they ruled the entirety of China, the hordes and tribes basically went back home after not being able to acclimatize to mainland China and it's peasant/agriculture/urban lifestyle?
The Xiongnu, Wuhuan, Xianbei, Di, Yi, Qiang and 50 other minor ethniticties moved into Northern China willy nilly from the middle period of Eastern Han all the way to the 7th century. They weren't all conquerors. In fact, most of them weren't. The peak was between the end of Western Jin into the founding of Sui and it was 300 years of extremely painful integration of Hu/barbarian/ethnic tribes into Han culture of Northern China.
Read my answer above.
I also find it a bit amusing that someone from the West is questioning an Asian guy's understanding of Chinese history when I can read mandarin and have access to primary sources not available in English.
This is what is taught in Chinese textbooks but many pre-CCP texts and historians and Western Historians disagree with this.
The idea that all 56 of China's ethnic minorities were are result of migrations is definetly flawed. Some have merit, like the Wuhuan peoples. XiongNu was more of a systemic raid and move, resulting in a bit of a genocide by the Han Chinese and got put into ancient equivalent of concentration camps.
Most of the ethnic-groupings of China were gained through conquest, and two of the biggest examples of this were the Dhrzuger's (who were genocided eventually) and the Yunnan peoples (whose actually racial name I forgot) who were gained during conquests of the Qing.
But the concept of mass-migration during the Chinese dynasties were very different to the conversation and relevance at hand.
Then there's the problem of accepting warlord states (Like Western Jin) and their expansionism as migration, which is highly up for debate.
Anyway this is a topic for another thread.
I have studied Mandarin for 6 years, speak, read and write fluently, and have picked up a Dongbei dialect due to my teachers. I'm more than happy to prove this to you via DM.
I consider China the West's great rival geopolitically and so have put the time and effort into understanding as much as I can about their history and culture
If you want to discuss further, yes, I'm happy to reply in DM, although I cant guarantee about the timeliness since next couple of days my attention is on the election.I have studied Mandarin for 6 years, speak, read and write fluently, and have picked up a Dongbei dialect due to my teachers. I'm more than happy to prove this to you via DM.
I consider China the West's great rival geopolitically and so have put the time and effort into understanding as much as I can about their history and culture
I will just add that I'm not Chinese so my knowledge doesn't come from CCP-approved textbook or Baidu. My sources are primarily historical record like Sima Qian, Book of Later Han, Book of Jin/Tang, Records of the 3 Kingdoms etc.
Terrible images coming out of Muan, South Korea today, where Jeju Air Flight 7C2216, a Boeing 737-800 has crashed into a wall after exceeding the maximum length of the runway. There were 181 people onboard, and so far three survivors are being reported. From the footage (warning - graphic video) even those three seem like a miracle.
From the imagery available it is clear that the aircraft landed without landing gear, spoilers or flaps, indicating a possible hydraulics issue, at a very high speed, and despite use of the reverse thrust was not able to stop. It shot past the end of the runway, across the dirt, and impacted a wall a few hundred meters further at still high speed. There is a video of the aircraft suffering an engine malfunction, possibly caused by a birdstrike, shortly before its illfated landing. Furthermore the aircraft squawked 7700, a code used to indicate an aircraft having an emergency, just yesterday, and diverted to Seoul.
From the imagery available it is clear that the aircraft landed without landing gear, spoilers or flaps, indicating a possible hydraulics issue, at a very high speed, and despite use of the reverse thrust was not able to stop. It shot past the end of the runway, across the dirt, and impacted a wall a few hundred meters further at still high speed. There is a video of the aircraft suffering an engine malfunction, possibly caused by a birdstrike, shortly before its illfated landing. Furthermore the aircraft squawked 7700, a code used to indicate an aircraft having an emergency, just yesterday, and diverted to Seoul.