Absolutely spot on, exactly my thoughts (although articulated better than i could manage!)
Gary Neville
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Absolutely spot on, exactly my thoughts (although articulated better than i could manage!)
Are they? Where?
All over Twitter. And yeah, I know. Twitter.
EDIT. Also a couple of posts above your one!
I thought you were talking about here.
It's definitely reasonable to say he's contributed to the hatred though.
'Typical you, you're selfish'
Spending the next forty minutes debating and letting little grenades off, but then putting the lid back on with caveats 'had that been the case then it would have been....but it wasn't, but if it had Pogba would be treacherous'
He implied Ole was lying to protect Pogba, but threw in the caveat 'it's not impossible that they have the most stupid and ridiculous system, it could be the case' which basically means he's saying it's definitely not the system that's in place.
He was making endless accusations and then putting the lid on them, he was making reference to Pogba as a person, not the player, using other examples and saying they weren't the same because it's possible that united have this system, then went on to imply the system was definitely made up to protect Pogba as it was so ridiculous as to be unbelievable.
Since it's been pointed out that the United teams he played in had similar issues with penalties at times. He's sat back and said nothing and liked nothing anyone else has said in defence of Pogba, despite racist abuse, half the media have came out against the abuse he received. Guys in the Streford end Saturday who I've watched for two years abuse Pogba, were shouting 'one Paul Pogba' finally giving some support.
Nevilles response to it all at the end of the week?....to imply Pogba is at fault for Rashford missing the penalty Saturday.
I don't actually think this should be looked at as an 'I don't like Pogba' situation, yet the only people on here who seem to have no issue with Neville are those I see constantly having irrational digs and personal digs at Pogba.
The point is that Nevilles rant was unnecessary and unhelpful, it brought a weeks worth of negative coverage onto one player. The week ended with another penalty being missed and the same implications being made with Neville tweeting
'team over individual' or in old money 'typical you, you're selfish'
I think Carragher would end up annoying you if a) you were a Liverpool fan and b) Liverpool had been floundering as badly as us these last few years.
By doing his job as a pundit? I guess so, sure. Harsh thing to have a go at him over though.
His job as a pundit doesn't require him to go on enormous personal rants against a single player using inflammatory language and insinuation and ignoring everything that doesn't fit his agenda.
Pogba is a polarising figure, I get that, and he's done plenty to put himself on the wrong side of the fans, and it's also obvious what your own position is so I get why you're keen to defend Neville, but he was waaaaaay too far last week, and his reaction since has only served to double down on his idiocy.
I mean, he whipped up a storm over absolutely nothing and then used that suggested Pogba caused the storm and the storm caused Rashford to miss his penalty.
The bloke's a feckwit and a bit of an arsehole quite frankly.
There are other United legends I don't find nearly as annoying as Neville, Scholes and Rio for instance. It has nothing to do with the club's current situation
So that never actually happened.
Unless I’m missing something? We are still talking about his punditry at the Wolves game?
Weird how Souness had been slamming Pogba weekly for about 2 years, to the point of obsession, and I don't remember any claims of him inciting racial hatred. Neville criticised one penalty kick and he's now a fully signed up member of the KKK in some Utd fans' eyes.
I’d say that’s mainly because you get them in much smaller doses.
I don't think he is a racist.
However the guy does pedal some xenophobic vibes since he's always so harsh on foreign players and hardly criticises the British players in the team
Rio is just less annoying
I get Neville in small doses, he's not in my face as much as the people who have direct and continious access to Sky. I watch football videos on youtube of various channels or rather listen to when I work out in my room. During games, I tune out, punditry in general bores me when I'm there for matches.
There's clearly not much point discussing it if you're going to deny the fundamental existence of what happened.
I agree with you apart for your first post. And I absolutely hate TV pundits (especially Gary Neville type), but you can't say he helped people spread racist hate towards him (which seems to be the main thing as of now)...
Pogba the player hate ? Probably. Pogba the personality hate ? Maybe (with rants like the one he had). Pogba the black man hate ? No, as there's no evidence of that.
Where did I say that?
I said he contributes to the hatred. Which he does.
Some of that will spill over into racism because there are knuckle dragging shitheads all over the internet, he obviously isn't responsible for that, but he lit the blue touch paper.
How can you say there was no personal rant... when there are tonnes of videos online showing Neville's personal attack on Pogba? You're in a massive minority here.
Neville (and other pundits) just want to influence the club irrespective of positive or negative. He might have been a fan a few years ago but I don't believe you can class him as one now. Do you think you'd EVER hear Steven Gerrard talking about Liverpool the way Gary does? Even Rio doesn't do it...
I completely agree with you regards the Pogba situation. He wasn't leading an attack on Pogba, and he's in no way responsible for the racism that followed. It's crazy to even suggest as much.
He's done himself no favours with his recent tweets however, 'offering out' a random guy on the internet is never going to go down well. It's the kind of thing people remember you for.
I see your point. I suspect the bias from Neville is due to Pogba being 'foreign', non British rather than Muslim. But I couldn't rule it out completely.
I don't think he is racist. He just doesn't like Pogba and will jump on anything to slander him.
The situation with Souness is many see an old man with ingrained beliefs about what a black player should be. If Neville was racist he wouldn't have diffused Rashfords miss would he? He certainly has it in for Pogba though, which surely has foundation but is becoming unbalanced
Be honest, did you actually watch the full post match analysis? His whole rant was aimed at Pogba, even his tweets yesterday admitted that he blamed Pogba as he’s our best and most expensive player. Of course you’ll pretend that the analysis was fair given that you openly dislike the guy but when you’ve got figures like Andy Cole calling him out on his bullshit surely even you can see he went to far?
I’m talking about his punditry during/after the Wolves match. Which at no point resembled what you just described. Maybe there’s some other comments from him I missed? Certainly feels that way, with the amount of grief he’s been getting since. Seriously. Am I missing something obvious here? Wouldn’t be the first time that happened!
I think Neville is a bit of a tool and deserves more scrutiny, but this post is ridiculous.
You mean the same game after which he accused Pogba of football treachery, and inherrent selfishness , accused him and Rashford of 'debating who would take the penalty' (it was the briefest of chats, and accused players of 'not being leaders' for following their manager's instructions to the letter? THAT game?
People are plain just not impressed with G. Neville's blatantly unfair targeting of Pogba. Nothing more
Did you watch the post match analysis live after the game?
He's not racist, I don't think anyone here suggested that, only on twitter.
But He's biased and opinionated. That part I don't think anyone can argue with, there are loads of evidences that suggest this. And He does seem to have a personal dislike towards Pogba (which is understandable because Pogba is far from what the older ManUtd players used to be like).
No point of defending him, people can easily rewatch his interviews (and not only the last few ones) to see He can be such a gobshite who often changes his tunes. At some point, fans will get sick of him. It's starting to happen now.
And as the other posters said all it takes is an apology instead of calling a fan "muppet" on twitter for having an opinion which was backed up by evidence. He comes as arrogant, acts like a know-it-all when in fact He's failed in management. Sure, He used to be a great player too but fans have short memories, He should have known better.
Debating and belittling the club's supporter is a mark of a small time mentality, a child who throws a tantrum. It wasn't even a personal attack against him, it was a question. He's having a meltdown and oh do I enjoy it very much.
But He's biased and opinionated. That part I don't think anyone can argue with, there are loads of evidences that suggest this. And He does seem to have a personal dislike towards Pogba (which is understandable because Pogba is far from what the older ManUtd players used to be like).
No point of defending him, people can easily rewatch his interviews (and not only the last few ones) to see He can be such a gobshite who often changes his tunes. At some point, fans will get sick of him. It's starting to happen now.
And as the other posters said all it takes is an apology instead of calling a fan "muppet" on twitter for having an opinion which was backed up by evidence. He comes as arrogant, acts like a know-it-all when in fact He's failed in management. Sure, He used to be a great player too but fans have short memories, He should have known better.
Debating and belittling the club's supporter is a mark of a small time mentality, a child who throws a tantrum. It wasn't even a personal attack against him, it was a question. He's having a meltdown and oh do I enjoy it very much.
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That’s why pogue identifies with him so much.
I saw all of that. As I said in my first post in this thread, his general point was to highlight a lack of organisation and leadership on the pitch (“there’s something wrong here”). Two players arguing with each other on the pitch about who gets to take a penalty. A fair point, if you ask me. I don’t like it either. IMO there should be a designated taker and no on-field debate. I blame the manager for this. Nev stopped short of doing that. For obvious reasons.
What has me completely baffled is how people interpret that as him hating on Pogba. He fecking started his rant by pointing out that Rashford did the exact same thing vs Chelsea!
So why didn’t he talk about selfishness and treachery when discussing Rashford? Especially given that Rashford is undeniably greedy in his game play? Why did he direct those words at Pogba?
I'm reading some of Gary's stuff on twitter and he's surprised some United fans have called him a douche(after he just acted like an arrogant twat on twitter belittling others opinions on United matters). He really does lack self awareness 
Firstly there was no argument.
Secondly if the issue was lack of organisation and leadership. Why has he labelled Pogba a selfish traitor?
That's where I don't agree. How can he lit the blue touch paper and then happen to not be responsible when there's a fire.
He contributes to "hate" (even tough myself I find my word), he might contribute to some part of the hate for Pogba. Fans singling him out in games (defeats like victories), fans wanting to sell him ASAP, fans who don't rate him, fans who don't think his personality match a certain United "criteria"... You can say they might have been influenced by the voice of Neville (even though it's still up to any grown man to have his own voice/concerns/opinions but we know how it works...).
Dumb people insulting Pogba based on the color of his skin, until proven it has nothing to do with Gary Neville.
My problem with what you were saying is that, you're mixing multiples facets into just one. And believe me, I really do not like Gary Neville the emotional pundit
Oh yeah, couldn't do that to an old good friend who's always positive and mature (unlike him). But hey, let's cause a hysteria around Pogba, our academy graduate, who has been criticized to death by other pundits and journalists and also happens to be one of the most important players at the moment, let's have a go at him eh?
What Neville said only adds fuels to the fire, for people to find reason to abuse Pogba. They misinterpreted his comments way off the mark and it's bound to happen. GNev should have known better. He wants the best for the club? try to avoid causing unnecessary dramas around the club. You know, like a professional. Or hell, just keep his mouth shut instead of hallucinating about what players say or think on the field. He wasn't even there ffs. That'll be better.
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I dunno...I'm just uncomfortable with older generations having a go at younger ones; and that seems endemic in punditry. In the bigger picture, the media encourages us to blame the young (or the elderly, or the non-nationals etc etc) for society's problems, and its motivation is usually self-interest.
The exact quote, for the short of memory.
The use of the words “despicable” and “treachery” was about Kevin Mirallas. Alluding to criticism Neville aimed at him, a few years ago.
Whatever criticism of Pogba you can interpret from any of that is 100% balanced by his mention of Rashford doing the exact same thing vs Chelsea. He even got Sky to show the fecking footage. Honestly, how much more context does he need to give?! It couldn’t be more obvious that what he is objecting to is what lots of fans (me included) object to. The fact that we don’t have a designated, undisputed penalty taker nominated in the team.
The lengths some United fans will go to in order to paint Pogba as the eternal victim will never cease to amaze.
The use of the words “despicable” and “treachery” was about Kevin Mirallas. Alluding to criticism Neville aimed at him, a few years ago.
Whatever criticism of Pogba you can interpret from any of that is 100% balanced by his mention of Rashford doing the exact same thing vs Chelsea. He even got Sky to show the fecking footage. Honestly, how much more context does he need to give?! It couldn’t be more obvious that what he is objecting to is what lots of fans (me included) object to. The fact that we don’t have a designated, undisputed penalty taker nominated in the team.
The lengths some United fans will go to in order to paint Pogba as the eternal victim will never cease to amaze.