Quit twisting the narrative.
He was backed even before he won anything. Check out his transfers. Then after the fluke of a Europa league win he was further backed. More transfer and more waste of money duds signed by him.
Heck even until January before we even finished second he was backed with the Sanchez deal.
Please look at the net spend. A single top 2 finish means nothing. Mourinho can fool fans by saying this was his big achievement with these players - HIS players.
Jose's OWN Squad?Just answer this. How can you say the squad wasnt good enough when this was Jose's own squad.
Because it was rather apparent. He was refused to upgrade on his fullbacks. Refused to upgrade his senior fullbacks. Refused to upgrade on his wingers. Allowed to sell people, yet not allowed to replace them properly. (Schweinstieger, Schneiderlin, Delay, Blind).How can you say he wasnt allowed to upgrade it.
Wasting? Apart from Alexis, Lindeloff plus new arrivals Grant and Dalot. All those players heavily contributed to United winning a league cup, The Europa league and a 2nd place finished ahead of the far better balanced Spurs and Liverpool teams. So much for 'wasting money'.Are you denying the fact Jose spent money to buy pogba, matic, lukaku, mkhitaryan, Sanchez, bailey, fred? How could you possible back a manager who is constantly wasting your money.
Lies. Utter and totally lies.Mou was backed for multiple transfer windows. Woodward did a brilliant job stopping him and we should be thankful.
Well we're on our 4th manager and it doesn't seem to be working (although Ole should be given the summer). After changing the manager 4 times without success then you have to look at where else the problems lie.
Because it was rather apparent. He was refused to upgrade on his fullbacks. Refused to upgrade his senior fullbacks. Refused to upgrade on his wingers. Allowed to sell people, yet not allowed to replace them properly. (Schweinstieger, Schneiderlin, Delay, Blind).
Only being allowed to replace directly literally retiring guys (i.e Carrick, Zlatan)
Wasting? Apart from Alexis, Lindeloff plus new arrivals Grant and Dalot. All those players heavily contributed to United winning a league cup, The Europa league and a 2nd place finished ahead of the far better balanced Spurs and Liverpool teams. So much for 'wasting money'.
Lies. Utter and totally lies.
If spending on a not necessary and old 3rd choice keeper, an inexperienced right back and an untested in England Carrick replacement, after finishing 2nd = backing. The term has totally lost meaning
Woodward is famously quoted as staying Alderwereld was 'no better than Phil Jones' whilst filling him out as one Mourinho's transfer targets last summer. He also repeatedly failed to sell Darmian. In spite of ample market.I don't buy any of this. Why would a club chairman refuse his manager the option to sell or replace his own players? There is no logic in it.
Why should I bother? If you are not already aware of what Gary Neville ranted about yesterday, or what I've repeatedly posted on here since the summer. Why on earth would it suddenly 'move you' if you saw it again?Is this just your opinion and can you provide evidence supporting your claim?
What a pack of lies. First Lindeloff from the back end of last season till now has been steadily improving. So much so he was actually Mourinho's most reliable cb through out this disaster campaign before he got sacked.Of all the signings made by Jose, only Lindelof has managed to establish himself as a first team regular, and we only started to see improvements in his game after Jose left.
Oh please. Pogba has been directly responsible for any good thing we have done since he arrived. From the two cup wins to finishing Second last season. Matic too. Mihkitaryan for all his issues delivered for us a Europa trophy. Lukaku for all the stick he gets is still the only other goal getter we have outside Pogba. In a side hampered by chronic under investment in key areas...The likes of Sanchez, Matic, Lukaku, Bailly, Fred, Dalot, Mkhitaryan, Grant, Dalot and even Pogba have proven either inconsistent or not good enough.
Anyone who claims all JM made was 1 good signing in 11 merely demonstrates they absolutely haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about. Period!1 good signing out of 11 is shockingly ...
You'd have to be pretty far gone mentally to actually believe the likes of Zlatan, Pogba, Matic, Lindeloff or Lukaku are 'largely useless footballers...."Yes, the board held back the funds' last summer (somewhat) but that was after Jose spent north of £400 million of the clubs money on largely useless footballers.
Jose's OWN Squad?
Did he buy De Gea or Romero?
What of Valencia, Darmian, Young and Shaw
What of Jones, Rojo Blind (whom he sold) and Smalling?
What of Carrick, Fellaini, Herrera and Mata in midfield
Or Rashford, Lingard and Martial upfront
Because it was rather apparent. He was refused to upgrade on his fullbacks. Refused to upgrade his senior fullbacks. Refused to upgrade on his wingers. Allowed to sell people, yet not allowed to replace them properly. (Schweinstieger, Schneiderlin, Delay, Blind).
Only being allowed to replace directly literally retiring guys (i.e Carrick, Zlatan)
Wasting? Apart from Alexis, Lindeloff plus new arrivals Grant and Dalot. All those players heavily contributed to United winning a league cup, The Europa league and a 2nd place finished ahead of the far better balanced Spurs and Liverpool teams. So much for 'wasting money'.
Lies. Utter and totally lies.
If spending on a not necessary and old 3rd choice keeper, an inexperienced right back and an untested in England Carrick replacement, after finishing 2nd = backing. The term has totally lost meaning
Oh please. Pogba has been directly responsible for any good thing we have done since he arrived. From the two cup wins to finishing Second last season. Matic too. Mihkitaryan for all his issues delivered for us a Europa trophy. Lukaku for all the stick he gets is still the only other goal getter we have outside Pogba. In a side hampered by chronic under investment in key areas...
Anyone who claims all JM made was 1 good signing in 11 merely demonstrates they absolutely haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about. Period!
Woodward is famously quoted as staying Alderwereld was 'no better than Phil Jones' whilst filling him out as one Mourinho's transfer targets last summer. He also repeatedly failed to sell Darmian. In spite of ample market.
Unless the shopping list consisted of our players, they were undoubtedly betterThis isn't true though, the article said that the players on Mourinho's shopping list weren't much better than the ones we have. We don't know who was one that shopping list.
Unless the shopping list consisted of our players, they were undoubtedly better
I suspect that the list was made of players that weren't really available or at least not at acceptable fees and players that were indeed no better than our current lot while costing a lot. In the end we need to remember that Lindelof emerged as a decent top 5/6 player which wasn't really the case under Mourinho, we all know that we can improve in every department but we shouldn't do it at all cost, that's what we did with Matic or Lukaku and now we have to upgrade them again and most likely lost 50m between these two operations.
I personally think that it's better to be patient and not act foolishly on the transfer market even when you are rich.
Lindelof's gradual evolution into a reliable centre half began when Mourinho was still in charge.
I'm loathe to defend Mourinho - because he is/was an insufferable twat - but if the board thinks he's the right man to manage the club (which they presumably did last summer) then they can't veto transfers just because they think they've a better idea than him about who we should/shouldn't sign.
Woodward is famously quoted as staying Alderwereld was 'no better than Phil Jones' whilst filling him out as one Mourinho's transfer targets last summer. He also repeatedly failed to sell Darmian. In spite of ample market.
Why should I bother? If you are not already aware of what Gary Neville ranted about yesterday, or what I've repeatedly posted on here since the summer. Why on earth would it suddenly 'move you' if you saw it again?
What a pack of lies. First Lindeloff from the back end of last season till now has been steadily improving. So much so he was actually Mourinho's most reliable cb through out this disaster campaign before he got sacked.
Second Zlatan, Magic, Pogba and Lukaku were all establish starters under JM. Bailly was too in his first session before chronic injury struck. Yet he wasn't even bought to be an immediate starter....
Oh please. Pogba has been directly responsible for any good thing we have done since he arrived. From the two cup wins to finishing Second last season. Matic too. Mihkitaryan for all his issues delivered for us a Europa trophy. Lukaku for all the stick he gets is still the only other goal getter we have outside Pogba. In a side hampered by chronic under investment in key areas...
Anyone who claims all JM made was 1 good signing in 11 merely demonstrates they absolutely haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about. Period!
You'd have to be pretty far gone mentally to actually believe the likes of Zlatan, Pogba, Matic, Lindeloff or Lukaku are 'largely useless footballers...."
There were signs but it wasn't clear because he wasn't given sustained trust and I highly doubt that he would have the opportunity to show his abilities if a CB was signed this summer. And they should definitely veto a transfer if the fee is high and there is a discrepancy between the scouting reports, the managers wishes and the fee. Your view is way too simplistic, in my opinion.
Well that's the killer, isn't it? None of us have any idea how reliable these all important scouting reports really are, right? Judging by our record in the transfer market since Fergie retired (and a year or two while he was still in charge) I'm going with "not very"!
Exactly and that's why when I look at it from the outside, I think that caution was totally understandable. When in doubt, abstain.
So Mourinho comes in wins Europa and gets us to second place in the league (in previous seasons could have been champions with points tally and without City money cheats would have been champions), identifies an area of weakness in the side and isn't backed and you think that is a good thing?!?
I agree that after not being backed Mourinho toys came out of the pram and the way things went he had to go BUT if he had been backed we could have been right up there. SAF was given time and signed a lot of players in first few seasons because it was recognised that it was a rebuild yet all we have done over the last few seasons is sack, sack sack. LVG was not too far away from achieving something, we controlled games but needed some quality to added so that we could take more risks to score more goals. Mourinho came in and then not backed following a season of second place and Europa!!??!??? Now we have Ole and already there is a thread asking what he must achieve to avoid the sack!
Honestly this job is becoming like the England job!
I think that's probably pretty close to the truth. I suspect the real doubts crept in when Mourinho started to suggest replacements for the players he'd bought (and also quite a few other high value players who the club rated). It seemed to me, from the outside, that Mourinho was presenting that as normal 'churn' rather than being what it was; a pretty catastrophic misuse of money.He identified it having bought 11 players for a shit load of money. Wanted shit loads more money to fix it when he'd already been given a fortune and there shouldnt be a weakness at that point.
If Mourinho's signings had been any good he would have got the money. They hadnt been. LVG, Sir Alex and Moyes' players were the ones carrying the team with barely any Mourinho signings in there
It was obvious by the end of last season that nothing positive was going to come out of this season. Woodward's mistake was not sacking right away, because be obviously lost faith in him in terms of transfers (there was good reason for that), but he presumably wanted to save money and give it a season so sacking him doesnt result in a massive fee. Not doing anything was a waste of time, waste of a season and turned into a massive waste of money.I think that's sensible, everything else being equal. However, with Mourinho's track record it was as clear as day that blocking those signings was the beginning of the end of his time in charge. A death spiral was inevitable from that point onwards. Costing the club much much more money than it would have cost them to take a punt on the players he wanted to sign.
I suspect that the list was made of players that weren't really available or at least not at acceptable fees and players that were indeed no better than our current lot while costing a lot. In the end we need to remember that Lindelof emerged as a decent top 5/6 player which wasn't really the case under Mourinho, we all know that we can improve in every department but we shouldn't do it at all cost, that's what we did with Matic or Lukaku and now we have to upgrade them again and most likely lost 50m between these two operations.
I personally think that it's better to be patient and not act foolishly on the transfer market even when you are rich.
Lindelof's gradual evolution into a reliable centre half began when Mourinho was still in charge.
I'm loathe to defend Mourinho - because he is/was an insufferable twat - but if the board thinks he's the right man to manage the club (which they presumably did last summer) then they can't veto transfers just because they think they've a better idea than him about who we should/shouldn't sign.
I think that's probably pretty close to the truth. I suspect the real doubts crept in when Mourinho started to suggest replacements for the players he'd bought (and also quite a few other high value players who the club rated). It seemed to me, from the outside, that Mourinho was presenting that as normal 'churn' rather than being what it was; a pretty catastrophic misuse of money.
I think that was only after it became apparent we wouldn't be signing anyone besides Fred and Dalot though. We limped to the finish of the prior season but I do think we'd have had a much different season had we signed his targets. That's not to say that would be the best thing for the club in the long-run, and it certainly isn't meant to absolve Mourinho of his twattish behavior, but Woodward & Co are at fault for more than just not sacking him earlier.It was obvious by the end of last season that nothing positive was going to come out of this season. Woodward's mistake was not sacking right away, because be obviously lost faith in him in terms of transfers (there was good reason for that), but he presumably wanted to save money and give it a season so sacking him doesnt result in a massive fee. Not doing anything was a waste of time, waste of a season and turned into a massive waste of money.
It's actually shocking how we finished 2nd, on 81 points and reached a cup final, yet we all knew that this season was going to be miserable and he'd be sacked.
In addition to Pogue's point to his bolded. I'm a bit confused about this part of this post. If the club deemed the players that were on Mourinho's shopping list to be not available and not good enough then why was that allowed to be Mourinho's shopping list in the first place?
If, as is the assumption, it's up to Mourinho to pick players and the club to buy them who is (and why are they) deciding that Mourinho's picks aren't going to happen for whatever reason? And if that's an important part of the managers job at United, then why is a manager's inability to recognise what players they should sign not deemed as being a massive failure on that manager's part? If the manager's job is to identify players and the club don't have faith in the manager to do that, then they don't have faith in him to manage the club in the way that they are asking that manager to do. Either change the structure, or replace the manager with someone who can do the job you want them to do.
Secondly, if the list Mourinho gave was deemed to be full of players we couldn't sign (by whatever process that happens at the club to decide it), why wasn't that sorted before the transfer window? Why wasn't Mourinho told that those players couldn't happen and asked to present a list of players that could?
There's no doubt Mourinho was part of the debacle of last summer, but I just can't really see any explanation that doesn't make Woodward the primary author of it.
Wrong. We actually DO know who were on his shopping list. People need to STOP pretending the CBS he wanted are not public knowledge. Woodward plain didn't bother to sign any. Either rejecting them out right because allegedly "there are no better than Phil Jones' or using lame excuses like waiting till after world cup for their prices to be unrealistic or claiming he was 'saving 100m for Varane'. Then waiting till the last day of the window to chase after Godin and Boateng in a bid to look like he was 'pushed by his manager's pleas for stop gaps'.This isn't true though, the article said that the players on Mourinho's shopping list weren't much better than the ones we have. We don't know who was one that shopping list.
Seriously? Let me get this straight: After Ive posted about how the last manager was NEVER supported properly to fix the terminal holes in the squad. Which I've posted about time and again on here since last season. On top of listing the many players the said manager was saddled with of whom a number are clearly NOT good enough. You go on to ask me 'if I like the squad'? Just because I highlighted the untruths in anyone claiming (I paraphrase) he signed '1 good player and largely useless footballers in 11"? Seriously?So are you happy with the squad?
Seriously? Let me get this straight: After Ive posted about how the last manager was NEVER supported properly to fix the terminal holes in the squad. Which I've posted about time and again on here since last season. On top of listing the many players the said manager was saddled with of whom a number are clearly NOT good enough. You go on to ask me 'if I like the squad'? Just because I highlighted the untruths in anyone claiming (I paraphrase) he signed '1 good player and largely useless footballers in 11"? Seriously?
Wrong. We actually DO know who were on his shopping list. People need to STOP pretending the CBS he wanted are not public knowledge. Woodward plain didn't bother to sign any. Either rejecting them out right because allegedly "there are no better than Phil Jones' or using lame excuses like waiting till after world cup for their prices to be unrealistic or claiming he was 'saving 100m for Varane'. Then waiting till the last day of the window to chase after Godin and Boateng in a bid to look like he was 'pushed by his manager's pleas for stop gaps'.
Like anyone SERIOUSLY would buy the notion that a manager of JMs experience would wait till 24 he's of a transfer window to close to chase after an old, club legend like Godin, giving him less than 24hrs to 'choose' to uproot his life to move to Manchester.
I think that was only after it became apparent we wouldn't be signing anyone besides Fred and Dalot though. We limped to the finish of the prior season but I do think we'd have had a much different season had we signed his targets. That's not to say that would be the best thing for the club in the long-run, and it certainly isn't meant to absolve Mourinho of his twattish behavior, but Woodward & Co are at fault for more than just not sacking him earlier.
This is basic logic.
Mourinho had 4 transfer windows to fix this squad. .
There were signs but it wasn't clear because he wasn't given sustained trust and I highly doubt that he would have the opportunity to show his abilities if a CB was signed this summer. And they should definitely veto a transfer if the fee is high and there is a discrepancy between the scouting reports, the managers wishes and the fee. Your view is way too simplistic, in my opinion.
Hit the nail on the head there, and I must admit I had exactly the same thought about this. An appointment like Pep, Klopp, Zidane, or Poch would have made sense at different times during these 7 years, yet we chose the wrong manager every fecking time, including now.Why hasn't Manchester United hired a managed in the last 6 years who is in the middle of his peak and clearly not on the decline? There's a reason our fan base has never collectively felt confident about an appointment.
So who signed Bailey. Who told mou to sign Mikhitaryan and not a center back. Who wasted money on Sanchez. Who signed Fred. Who signed an aging Matic instead of a defender. Who decided to go for subpar Lukaku. He squandered all money.
The only mistake woodward made was not sacking him before summer.
Woodward's performance over the past 18 months has been shocking in pretty much all ways. People didn't want to hear it earlier in the season as it all helped to get mourinho out the door, but the truth is he hasn't made a single correct decision with sporting impact for 18 months now, except hiring solskjaer as interim manager (promptly cancelled out by jumping the gun on contract extension again).
that's a scary article, I hope more stuff like this publicly leaks to expose him. Neville will know a lot more than us and him strongly calling Woodward out suggests a lot of this to be true.This portrait of Woodward is pretty shocking and all too believable
https://lazyfansports.com/ed-woodward-problem
Wouldn't be surprised to see another summer of Woodward picking the targets, maybe a token concession or two to solskjaers plans.
As much as I appreciate what he is doing to your club, the fact is that people like him are a cancer on the game as a whole. Absolutely vile.
