Gary Neville - Pundit
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Don't think he scored many coming off the bench, not for United anyway that I can remember.
I feel they pretty much speak what their bosses have asked them to. You can have individual opinions, but there will be a general agenda to follow and roles that the pundits should assume.
The whole I just have a feeling that United won't win the league is a very odd argument. Really seems like wants to say it's down to our manager but won't say it.
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I don't really think that's it either. I think he's trying hard not to seemingly join the bandwagon like Jamie tends to do and embarrass himself later on. The problem is that he's gone and done the opposite. It makes it hard to watch sky at times because the person who is supposed to bring a touch of passivity about United is so adamant on being neutral that he's actually judging us way harsher than other teams. We finished second, we have performed well to start the season. The Wolves game was the only one in which I don't think we played well. We've battered teams at home, got three world class players and are heading in the right direction. Yet you have pundits talking about how our Newcastle performance was unconvincing, where we consistently attacked in the first half and were probably as good as anyone in those first 45 minutes this weekend. Yet somehow it was average and everyone else had a fantastic weekend. The truth is, we may not win the league, same way Chelsea, City and Liverpool may not win it. But we will challenge for it and as long as we are challenging, we can win, both at home and abroad. Yet for some reason, people expect dominance weak in weak out from United, but allow an average victory for everyone else.
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I don't really think that's it either. I think he's trying hard not to seemingly join the bandwagon like Jamie tends to do and embarrass himself later on. The problem is that he's gone and done the opposite. It makes it hard to watch sky at times because the person who is supposed to bring a touch of passivity about United is so adamant on being neutral that he's actually judging us way harsher than other teams. We finished second, we have performed well to start the season. The Wolves game was the only one in which I don't think we played well. We've battered teams at home, got three world class players and are heading in the right direction. Yet you have pundits talking about how our Newcastle performance was unconvincing, where we consistently attacked in the first half and were probably as good as anyone in those first 45 minutes this weekend. Yet somehow it was average and everyone else had a fantastic weekend. The truth is, we may not win the league, same way Chelsea, City and Liverpool may not win it. But we will challenge for it and as long as we are challenging, we can win, both at home and abroad. Yet for some reason, people expect dominance weak in weak out from United, but allow an average victory for everyone else.
Yes fully agree with that, he really can take a game by the scruff off the neck and win it.That was my first reaction, I think the substitute argument from Carragher is folly, neither player would be used much off the bench because they are too good.
Carragher's point of Messi running a game is a valid one though
Its just two blokes sharing their opinions on things.
The midfield is the problem. That's what's holding us back. But Neville refuses to say anything about Pogba.
Spot on
Despite the hysteria around wanting to see Neville call for Ole's head, Gary's been making good observations about United for awhile. His post match comments last night another example.
He will never call out his old teammates. However, indirectly he's been heavily critical. Why did Man Utd think they could press Liverpool? Why has it taken 8 weeks of poor performances, and a hammering by the Scousers, for us to think: 'Hey we should drop into shape out of possession'?
He's right that this lets nobody off the hook. It could be a turning point. But, personally, I'd like Ole to actually answer the questions Neville asked.
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He is a charlatan. He has caused enough damage by not calling out the incompetency of the manager.
If Gary Neville calling out or supporting the manager actually makes any difference I'd be amazed. He doesn't give the thumbs up or down for a manager's head.
It’s not Gary’s place to have influence for or against whoever the manager of Manchester United is.
He’s done what he needed to do, been very critical of our season so far, tactics included but at the same time held back from calling for the manager to be sacked, which is 100% the right thing to do and has nothing to do with Ole being his mate, he’s never called for a managers head.
Pundits, or failed managers as they are also known, should have no influence over it. And for those moaning, he hasn’t exactly given Ole a glowing review this season, far from it.
He’s done what he needed to do, been very critical of our season so far, tactics included but at the same time held back from calling for the manager to be sacked, which is 100% the right thing to do and has nothing to do with Ole being his mate, he’s never called for a managers head.
Pundits, or failed managers as they are also known, should have no influence over it. And for those moaning, he hasn’t exactly given Ole a glowing review this season, far from it.
What’s Gary’s take on Nuno’s sacking? Does he think he should have been given more time?
I just can't stand his drama. Still can't unhear his Super League rant.
He was spot on about all of that though
He may have been but it sounded as if there was a war breaking out our other serious stuff. And he did go too far with demanding the clubs to be relegated or some bollocks like that.
He didn't call for him to be sacked anyway
He criticises him quite regularly
I said the club should be relegated if we went through with it. It was and still is a terrible idea and the club should forever be ashamed for attempting it
He was pushing for relegation even after U turn, didn’t he?
Of course it doesn't make any difference. He was saying Moyes needed time...
Not sure why some people get wound up by Gary. He loves the club and he's entitled to his opinion, he's paid to give his opinion.
I like how much Gary engages with fans and people on social media, he really brings down the barriers and like him or not he is 100% himself with no fake PR stuff.
I think he'd have been great on social media if it was around when he was playing too. I like what he says about players needing to ditch their social media managers and just do it themselves.
Congrats to Gary on keeping his mate in the job to the detriment of the team.
We are not like Salford FC. The owners there put the club's interest ahead of those of the manager
Neville got Nuno sacked by not calling him out.
The main takeaway from this is that Gary Neville has clearly never seen Back to the Future, based on his lack of reaction. He's definitely dead to me now.
Who does he think he is, Michael Owen?
Gary's fallen into the trap of trying to position himself as a fan hero by spouting stuff that appeals to reactionary fans and doesn't annoy his employers e.g. ESL is a disgrace, anti-Glazers etc.
It was inevitable at some point the mood would change to something he doesn't agree with and now he's paying the price for his previous posturing and vanity.
It was inevitable at some point the mood would change to something he doesn't agree with and now he's paying the price for his previous posturing and vanity.
Or maybe he's on the side of the good guy, and the people attacking him for something he has no power over are the villains.
agreed. He is doing his job. The only annoyance is when he says "they are gonna stick with him" "see it out to the end of the season" "they have changed their ways of sacking managers"
How would he even know?
Yeah don't get me wrong, he still get's on my last nerve at times. He talks as though he has inside knowledge on how the club see things when he doesn't have the foggiest.
I'd rather he just be honest about our performances, like he is, and didn't make it sound like he knows more than he does.
You know this as fact?
Of course he has inside information!
He was very bullish that Ole wouldn’t get sacked when every bookmaker in the world had it at almost even odds.
He obviously has inside info to a degree, as I’m sure many media elements do.
It’s how the Glazers work.
Come on guys, who at the club is filling in ol' Gary?
The board probably see him as nothing but a nuisance and I can't see them feeding him information on whether the manager is safe or not, same for Ole's staff as they are in the dark. The bookies will have better inside information than Gary the pundit. He's laughed in the past and said as much (that he doesn't get inside info.) He had no idea LVG was going and was as upset as anybody about the way it was done and from memory was still backing Mourinho when he was sacked, he wouldn't have known the inside track on the boards chat about Ole last week, so he just said what he thought they would do.
He's simply talked confidently based on what he believes the club intend to do. He doesn't have to be 100% right in order to convey an opinion confidently.
I don't mind that Gary doesn't call for Ole's sacking. What I do mind is that he places all the blame on the players and never on the manager. He'll bemoan failed tactics but he won't assign responsibility to the manager who imposes these tactics on the players.
He obviously knows his stuff but his refusal to call out his mate for his failures is embarrassing.
He obviously knows his stuff but his refusal to call out his mate for his failures is embarrassing.
Gary Nevilles a tit head.
I can't wait for his expert analysis that will somehow protect his buddy.
He's a parody at this point.
As an analyst, he's an absolute trainwreck.
He's supposed to be analysing Man United games but he has a blind spot as big as the whole pitch in front of him when it comes to his former club.
His only former club, I might add, because here we have a guy who in all of his career only witnessed one dressing room, one club, and one manager. He knows shit about football, as a whole, even though he always likes to point to his experience as a player when analysing things.
He's intellectually incapable of dealing with the situation.
Think about it, faced with the question of whether there are better managers for Man United out there than Solskjaer, he actually says that because the club "has gone down that road before" (of hiring 'top managers on paper'?!) they're hesitant to do it now.
I'm puzzled how someone's reasoning could be so stupid. Because Man United hired managers with 'top CVs' in van Gaal and Mourinho before and it didn't work, they're now hesitant towards hiring someone like Conte. How does that make any sense?
First of all, both van Gaal and Mourinho were beyond past it when they were hired and had giant flashing warning signs pointing to their massive, massive flaws.
And then, because they didn't work out, you now can't hire a manager with top experience in the future? Like, ever?
Bizarre. This guy doesn't actually understand that hiring, and sacking, managers is a basic, elementary process within running a club. Ànd of course, you need to hire the best you can get. But because he's only ever played under one manager, he has no grasp on the issue whatsoever.
And then Roy Keane alongside, whose whole train of thought is how this would never have happened when he was still playing for Man United and how these players now are just "so, so poor", all coated in this annoying expression of Irish Catholic contempt and moral judgement, you are witnessing a punditing farce of the highest order.
Can't they employ some people who are actually neutral and competent?
He's supposed to be analysing Man United games but he has a blind spot as big as the whole pitch in front of him when it comes to his former club.
His only former club, I might add, because here we have a guy who in all of his career only witnessed one dressing room, one club, and one manager. He knows shit about football, as a whole, even though he always likes to point to his experience as a player when analysing things.
He's intellectually incapable of dealing with the situation.
Think about it, faced with the question of whether there are better managers for Man United out there than Solskjaer, he actually says that because the club "has gone down that road before" (of hiring 'top managers on paper'?!) they're hesitant to do it now.
I'm puzzled how someone's reasoning could be so stupid. Because Man United hired managers with 'top CVs' in van Gaal and Mourinho before and it didn't work, they're now hesitant towards hiring someone like Conte. How does that make any sense?
First of all, both van Gaal and Mourinho were beyond past it when they were hired and had giant flashing warning signs pointing to their massive, massive flaws.
And then, because they didn't work out, you now can't hire a manager with top experience in the future? Like, ever?
Bizarre. This guy doesn't actually understand that hiring, and sacking, managers is a basic, elementary process within running a club. Ànd of course, you need to hire the best you can get. But because he's only ever played under one manager, he has no grasp on the issue whatsoever.
And then Roy Keane alongside, whose whole train of thought is how this would never have happened when he was still playing for Man United and how these players now are just "so, so poor", all coated in this annoying expression of Irish Catholic contempt and moral judgement, you are witnessing a punditing farce of the highest order.
Can't they employ some people who are actually neutral and competent?
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He’s just been awful through these tough United years. Can’t stand listening to him.
i was at the game and just seen a clip of the 2nd goal where Maguire/Shaw mess up. He blames Degea???