Gary Neville - Pundit

Posh Red said:
Well that’s all well and good. I’m not trying to take the piss I was asking how this is an example of greed that’s all. Pouring a lot of his own resources into an investment without any guarantee of making a decent return doesn’t strike me as an act of ‘greed’.

Also I’m sure Gary Neville understands that sometimes you need to sack a manager. Just because he doesn’t agree with publicly stating a manager deserves to be sacked on Sky, does not mean he is against changing management when appropriate.
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Is that you Gary?
 
devilish said:
I wouldn't say that they are easily discardable especially Ole at the moment. However they are still employees. There's no chance in hell that the club would turn down the chance of earning ridiculous money because it would upset Ole or any other employee really. Managers have enough tough time managing a club in normal conditions especially at this time when fatigue starts kicking in and clubs start reaching semi finals etc. Now football had gone upside down, players might find themselves kicked out of their national team etc. These people won't be knocking at Joel Glazer's office door but the manager's. The last thing Ole needs is for Gary Neville to expect him to become some sort of Che Guevara. Ole had one solid shot at a top club. He shouldn't be expected to throw that away.
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Please! These people wouldn't listen to Sir Alex if he took a stance, they won't bother about Ole's opinion.
Agree with the general sentiment of the rest of the message. I would add managers are expected to manage more and more up (to the owners, board, media etc) than down (the actual players, tactics etc). Football has changed for the worse with more in the game.
 
Rozay said:
I’m with Neville’s sentiment, although I don’t much like him in general. As Klopp said at the beginning of the pandemic, one of the first things he realised is that he woke up every day to learn Gary Neville has an opinion on ‘absolutely everything’ - and he tends to favour the dramatic. While I am totally against a Super League - him repeatedly saying ‘if these clubs destroy the concept of promotion and relegation it’s a disgrace’, when there is no such proposal to do that domestically, amongst other points he seemed to be making against himself rather than any proposal. He has a flair for the dramatic that irritates me I’m afraid.

That said, the idea of a Super League will destroy domestic competitiveness for the obvious reason of minimal reward/effort relationship at the top end, which is stupid.

That said, once a media train gets going, it’s hard to actually tell what people really think, as this has already descended into some sort of contest to deliver the most ‘powerful’ statement to me. Klopp, for one, seemed not to give too much of a shit about the ESL yesterday, despite Sky fishing for his condemnation. He basically said ‘whatever the competition is called, I’m just the coach, my only concern is to coach the team’.
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The issue is that the Super League becomes a franchise like the NBA (which believe it or not is probably more popular abroad than in the USA) - you'd have more so-called high level games that won't matter and everyone would really tune into the "playoffs" or knockouts - which they will probably change into a best of 3 or 5 in due course.

The national leagues become irrelevant because the big clubs won't bother when the money is in this other shiny league, and they don't have to bother domestically to get a top 4 because they're already in the shiny Super League. So the Premier League would fold or completely lose relevancy and so would the other domestic competitions unless they go ahead and expel these clubs.

Either way, football is fecked - I think Gary is correct in his assessment.
 
sun_tzu said:
Man on sky wage bill defends skys interest
Lets see how long till he pops up on Super League Commentary talking about it being an amazing step forward for the game
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Why do people keep saying this? Sky has as good as chance as anyone of ending up covering this league. If anything, it suits Sky for this to happen as BT have sewn up the CL until 2024.
 
Suedesi said:
Please! These people wouldn't listen to Sir Alex if he took a stance, they won't bother about Ole's opinion.
Agree with the general sentiment of the rest of the message. I would add managers are expected to manage more and more up (to the owners, board, media etc) than down (the actual players, tactics etc). Football has changed for the worse with more in the game.
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Apologies but I took the term discardable as easily sackable. The Glazers are in too much shit PR wise to just walk into Ole's office and tell him to pack his stuff up and go. That would turn nasty for them.
 
nickm said:
It's always better to take a view of a person's actual stated position, over their imaginary one, I find.
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As in when he said give managers time, before sacking his clubs manager after 4 months a week after they won a trophy?

Anyways look, I'm not trying to blacken his name. I think Gary is a top bloke who cares for the game. But the new Super League utterly destroys his 10 year plan to get Salford into the PL and possibly even the Champions League, so I'm wondering is part of his rage due to vested interests in his long term Salford project!
 
Mr.Neville is a prime example of a Champagne Socialist. He looks out for number one, which is ok but when he criticises governments in his role as a pundit, he oversteps the mark. He should stick to saying ‘Oooooh’ in commentary and running his various businesses like a good capitalist. I posted elsewhere that SKY and BT employees are in a difficult position when it comes to criticising the ESL. A little like an electrician at an arms manufacturer having a go at the army. The broadcasters need content and if the six get booted out of the PL, their big games will be West Ham v Norwich with due respect to both clubs that won’t draw a large audience.
 
Posh Red said:
Well that’s all well and good. I’m not trying to take the piss I was asking how this is an example of greed that’s all. Pouring a lot of his own resources into an investment without any guarantee of making a decent return doesn’t strike me as an act of ‘greed’.

Also I’m sure Gary Neville understands that sometimes you need to sack a manager. Just because he doesn’t agree with publicly stating a manager deserves to be sacked on Sky, does not mean he is against changing management when appropriate.
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Spot on. Some people have weird ideas on how to make money. Peter Lim pouring millions of dollars into Salford United to make money is laughable as anything. He could buy a resort in Maldives for the money he has put in and that is a guaranteed return on his investment.
If he wants to make money out of football he would have bought a PL that's profitable. Not Salford United.
 
Foxbatt said:
Spot on. Some people have weird ideas on how to make money. Peter Lim pouring millions of dollars into Salford United to make money is laughable as anything. He could buy a resort in Maldives for the money he has put in and that is a guaranteed return on his investment.
If he wants to make money out of football he would have bought a PL that's profitable. Not Salford United.
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It's part of the bigger picture of his link up with the 92 bunch. He doesn't just own half of Salford with them, he also owns 75% of their hotels and restaurants. They're the appeasing face of his ambitions.

If he's not doing all this to make money why is he doing it?
 
That immediate, impassioned speech has brought this on so much quicker.

Any daft brush that has even a point of criticism for him on this one issue needs their head seeing to.

He’s a good football guy. I applaud him.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
That immediate, impassioned speech has brought this on so much quicker.

Any daft brush that has even a point of criticism for him on this one issue needs their head seeing to.

He’s a good football guy. I applaud him.
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100%

If he'd been quiet about the news on Sunday, the fans in the UK could have easily accepted the ESL with a shrug of the shoulders.

Neville set the tone for the country. Deserves huge amounts of credit.
 
I hope he keeps up a campaign against the Glazers now. Don't let them try to act like things are back to normal.
 
So is Gary Neville no longer dead to us? I think we all need an update in these crazy times. Seeing as we only deal in definitive's around here can we decide if he is or isn't?
 
He has been offered the leading role in the new version of Braveheart.
 
kidbob said:
I hope he keeps up a campaign against the Glazers now. Don't let them try to act like things are back to normal.
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I think this is tetchy ground for him.

One thing that I personally thought set the precedent was Sir Alex. He gave them the platform to have free reign over criticizing the board and the club, as he came out with his comments initially.

I've always wondered if he was a key component of why ex players have been so hesitant to attack the Glazers. We've never seen him do that. In turn, Patrice and Van Gaal are the only ones who've actively directed comments at our mismanagement.
 
Marwood said:
It's part of the bigger picture of his link up with the 92 bunch. He doesn't just own half of Salford with them, he also owns 75% of their hotels and restaurants. They're the appeasing face of his ambitions.

If he's not doing all this to make money why is he doing it?
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Peter Lim is a business man. He doesn't need to pour money into Salford United to make money. He could have put his money in other things just as you say in restaurants or hotels. But he could also have put that money in resorts in places like Maldives where he is guaranteed a better return on his investment.
So putting money into Salford is not to make money for sure.
 
What a hero

I will always be thankful to him for this, and I will remember it whenever his punditry annoys the shit out of me.
 
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