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The record I was referring to was not just for youngsters but for other players as well. In recent years we've not really had the youngsters coming through like we should have, Cleverley, Welbeck and Evans are in the current squad who play most games but we should have more and should be giving more a chance. Anyway this is about Bale, I agree £90m is ridiculous and he is not worth that, but RM are stupid with their money anyway.
Sorry for the late response bud, was out with the missus. Agreed. Though even mentioning those "3" it's quite clearly still a decent amount. Non of City, Chelsea or Arsenal have 3 "youngsters" from their academy debatably first team players.

I think a lot of Barcas "golden" generation from their academy have distorted the view a bit. Producing first teamers from the academy - we've got a pretty decent record. Anyway, this is a bale thread. Agreed with your last sentence
 
The biggest reason Brit's do not leave the EPL is financial. There is twice as much money in the PL than La Liga, which is the second highest in terms of team revenues.

Only two teams have any money is Spain at all. The divided TV deal is a farce. The country's economy is going to be fecked in the short, medium and long term so that only compounds things for the non-2 clubs as well.
 
I still maintain it's too much for a player who might never make it. Ronaldo was proven world class, was the best player in the world the season before we sold him. Bale is barely in the top 10. And his play, which was largely counter-attack based won't be as effective when he's up against teams like Granada who will park the bus.

Wow. :lol:
 
The biggest reason Brit's do not leave the EPL is financial. There is twice as much money in the PL than La Liga, which is the second highest in terms of team revenues.

Only two teams have any money is Spain at all. The divided TV deal is a farce. The country's economy is going to be fecked in the short, medium and long term so that only compounds things for the non-2 clubs as well.

Grim.
 
So a stage has been erected at the Bernabeu . I wonder who it could be for?
 
What do Real profit from shirt sales as mentioned above?

If it's anything like United, it's nada. The manufacturer rakes in the money for shirt sales and United receive a set annual amount for licensing.
The more we sell the better deals we get from Nike. We no doubt receive more in this way than a cut from each individual shirt sale. Otherwise we would not have such an agreement.

Funny when utd fans really believe shirt sales are not important to the club.
 
It's a shame we'll probably now never see Bale in a United shirt. Perfectly suited to our club.
 
It's a shame we'll probably now never see Bale in a United shirt. Perfectly suited to our club.
It really is, I have always seen him as the perfect fit for utd.

If the Madrid deal goes through he will not be possible ever, unless of course he is a massive flop over there.
 
The two offers Madrid have offered to Spurs are interesting ones. Wonder which one they'll go for. Option B at least won't officially mean he'll be the world's most expensive player (£70million + player).

That's the one they'll go for I'd say.
 
Madrid get who they want, even the 'shit' they discard are superstars at every other club (sneijder, robben, etc). Exhilarating stuff.
 
Bale's parameters for being considered a flop at Madrid are considerably high. If he could be a flop anywhere, it's there. Unlikely though of course. Also if Bale did a Kaka, I'd take him no doubt because he'd be much cheaper, still young and we already know how well suited he is to the Premier League at a very high level.
 
It really is, I have always seen him as the perfect fit for utd.

If the Madrid deal goes through he will not be possible ever, unless of course he is a massive flop over there.


Even then it will be really unlikely. He'll have to be the biggest flop of all time and then for us to be willing to spend £30+ million as they'll want to recoup a large amount of money. Even if he is just 'disappointing' they'll not want to admit defeat and sell him, or demand too much money... like Kaka.
 
Thing is, we wouldn't have had Bale for long - he's very keen to play abroad.
 
Thing is, we wouldn't have had Bale for long - he's very keen to play abroad.


I think he just wants to follow his man-crush, Ronaldo. Had things worked out differently perhaps we'd be lining up with Ronaldo and Bale in the same team :(
 
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What a twat.
This plus him trying to trademark his celebration... Lulz, the caf love to lambast Ronaldo's ego, but Bale is a cnut of gigantic proportions as well.
 
It's sort of logical that Real Madrid are the ones to be breaking the transfer records as they are the most successful club in the world, isn't it? I don't really find it disgusting that they spend a lot of money, not at all.

They aren't the most succesful club in the world......

They usualy end up losing the league title to Barcelona and in the CL it has been 12 years since they have been in the final (let alone win it) !!!

WHAT SUCCES ?

The sportive succes they get credit for, is stuff for the history books, and was from a diffrent generation of players and managers alike. Even then, large part of their succes wasn't from sportive brilliance but from things like support of the Franco regime, big portion of their trophies is simply down to corruption.

I don't mind that a club spends its own money, but Real is a suggar daddy club in disguise. They have goten financial support from the spanish banks and government, they have a disproportionate TV-deal (they get like 25% off all the tv-money). Perez has made alot of money aswell, from really fishy deals. The ways in which they get their money for these kinds of deals are far from clean.

Biggest reason why people still call them one of the best clubs in the world is because they have a squad full of star players, not because they play such brilliant football with them. This squad full of stars also gives them alot of commercial value. So yea, they are one of the biggest spenders because they have big revenues and alot hands in many different pockets, but they never do anything with their busload of worldclass players, so i wouldn't really call them succesful.

I find it beyond disgusting a club spends that kind of money, let alone viewing how they got that money, let alone they spend it on players they don't really need, let alone they actually don't manage to win anything with that kind of squad..... It is pathetic and is is disgusting. I think they just do it, to give themself the illusion they are still worldclass like they used to be, spending the most of amount of money from any club in the world must make them feel like they are the best club or something...
 
How is it disgusting? Its their money they can to do whatever they like. Its obviously crazy but somehow it works for them.

Is it their money ?

Or is it money from the Spanish tax payer (maybay even European tax payer, given the financial support from the EU to spain) ?

I would be ok with it, if every penny they spend was clean and they deserved to have it, but it is not and they don't !
 
The thinking behind Real Madrid's Bale move

Friday, August 23, 2013
To properly comprehend the full dimensions of another mind-boggling Real Madrid transfer, it is perhaps worth going back to the base of it all. Or, at least, the beginning of Florentino Perez’s first stint at the club in 2000.

Gareth Bale

By Miguel Delaney

Against his own judgement in those first few days, the Real president was persuaded by technical director Pirri to sign both Claude Makelele and Flavio Conceicao. The official, who was a legendary former Bernabeu player himself, insisted it would give the team “the best midfield in the world”.

That would certainly end up the case with Makelele — who himself proved Perez wrong in the long run — but not with Flavio. Despite costing €26m, the Brazilian could barely get a game.

Perez approached Pirri for an explanation in that first season. He came away with an epiphany. “In the game of football signings,” Pirri simply stated to his boss, “there is a mathematical rule: three out of five fail.”

Perez was “appalled”, as John Carlin revealed in his book White Angels. To pay so much money for a player so unnecessary was the “most idiotic investment he had ever been involved with”.

It proved a lesson. From then on, Perez became determined to eschew what he perceived as the false economies of football and try and make sure he only bought those two out of five players who were so good as to virtually guarantee success. If it meant paying over the odds, so be it.

That same summer, of course, Real completed the sensational signing of Luis Figo from Barcelona. Just as surprisingly, it marked the first ever time that the Madrid club had broken the world transfer record. They have not relinquished it since.

The very history of the record provides further context. From 1952, and the move towards continental competitions such as the European Cup, Serie A clubs held it for all but six of the 48 years up until Real’s capture for Figo. To Italian owners such as Angelo Moratti and the Agnelli family, it was an illustration of power and status.

There is a strong element of that with Perez and Real’s place as a club. This, now, is what the Spanish side do as institution; this is what they’re about. Perez himself also likes to be seen as someone who can close the biggest deals and will always bring them to the Bernabeu.

Of course, Gareth Bale’s brief career at Tottenham Hotspur so far barely warrants a fee above €60m, let alone the world record. As exceptional as he is, his existing achievements simply do not match the usual trappings of the milestone.

That, however, is not really what the price is about. It certainly wasn’t for previous record breakers such as Harald Nielsen, Pietro Anastasi or Denilson. It is down to Daniel Levy’s unwillingness to sell, and Perez’s insistence on buying.

That’s also not to say that the purchase would necessarily be a “gamble” in the sense many mean it. It is nothing compared to the genuinely game-changing transfer of Figo. Back then, as part of his move to claim the Real presidency, Perez took a deep breath in front of the club’s support. He promised that, if the Portuguese star did not arrive, he would personally pay the membership fees for a year of every socio. It was a huge gamble, but one that came through.

The subsequent restructuring of a somewhat ailing club’s finances effectively opened permanent credit lines for the president. Banks would release money for such grand prices on the back of Real’s marketing strategy surrounding the player. It is this cast-iron relationship that the Bale bid has been built on.

The world record fee grants an immediate status and cachet. “Come watch the most expensive player in the world.” What’s more, at 24 years of age and as a forward with a particularly exhilarating style, Bale is easily marketable and will start every game. Consequently, this is not potentially wasting a high fee on someone who may not feature, as in the case of Flavio Conceicao. It is investing whatever is required in, barring injury, a guaranteed starter and star.

For Perez, it makes absolute sense.

As to whether it will also make a Champions League-winning team, time will tell.
 
It's like his girlfriend cheated on him when he was young so he fecked every girl just to prove her wrong
 
You will never make a cute couple because no-one wants to be your partner.
 
Is it their money ?

Or is it money from the Spanish tax payer (maybay even European tax payer, given the financial support from the EU to spain) ?

I would be ok with it, if every penny they spend was clean and they deserved to have it, but it is not and they don't !


Of course the majority of their income comes from Spaniards who pay taxes. They're the ones who pay TV subs, buy shirts, pay for season tickets.

If you mean are they subsidised by general or local taxation. No, they aren't.

Where they do have favourable accounting treatment is as a member owned sporting club, that reinvests all the income inside the club or the charities it funds and it's the same favourable treatment as other similar groups. The club pays its taxes, and it pays interest charges, on time, on its loans.

If you want to look for dodgy dealing, it relates to the profits they make from land and real estate trades, sometimes with local government. It's a relatively small part of their income over the decade, but they buy cheap and sell high - but they don't buy/sell at anything other than market value. Of course, if you're run by the boss of a construction company that turns over billions you might be as good at making that market as exploiting it.
 
Erm yes, but would we want a player who was a flop?

Kaka for instance isn't wanted by anyone.
I think Kaka's issues were more due to age & more importantly, injury. & the wages he's on, hence no one wants to go near him.

If bales a flop more because he couldn't handle the pressure, he's still young & might certainly be worth a punt at half or (hopefully) a 3rd of the price ;)

Plus, other Madrid flops (Robben, Sneijder, even Robinho) have done ok for themselves.

But 2-3 years in football is a long time. We might have developed our own bale by then!
 
Sorry for the late response bud, was out with the missus. Agreed. Though even mentioning those "3" it's quite clearly still a decent amount. Non of City, Chelsea or Arsenal have 3 "youngsters" from their academy debatably first team players.

I think a lot of Barcas "golden" generation from their academy have distorted the view a bit. Producing first teamers from the academy - we've got a pretty decent record. Anyway, this is a bale thread. Agreed with your last sentence

We also tend to give our academy products more opportunities than the others, regardless of whether or not they make it long term. In the last few seasons alone we've seen the likes of M. Keane, W. Keane, Morrison, Cole, Wooton, and Amos given minutes in the League Cup, or included in first teams squads. That counts for something, surely. Many of our academy products do go on to have good careers at a decent level, even if they're not good enough for us, that in itself is something top be admired.
 
100 million for a single player, it's an obscene amount of money...spent by a club that broke the obscene transfer fee record, a feat they have continued to best themselves
 
Tata said it best, it shows a lack of respect for the world we live in


It's an awful time to be doing it.

I think even the club has its doubts - certainly its members do.

I did think they were going to pull out of the deal at one stage, but it looks like it's got too much momentum to stop.
 
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