Gareth Bale Transfer Speculation | Done
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I think writing is a generous phrase.
Or so they'd like everyone to believe. In reality, they're under investigation for alleged dodgy land deals, plus further credit lines are now very tight now in Spain, even for RM.
I remain sceptical that they can actually find the cash that Levy would demand. And in this vein I note that despite all the many weeks of Marca propaganda, no bid has actually arrived with Spurs.
In this current market, how much would Ronaldo have cost if he was still at United and Madrid was willing to buy him ? Close to 150m,170m euros ?
I don't think he will leave Spurs this summer.
Worst is that they compared their dribbling.
The worst part is that they failed to mention Bale's haircut, which he blatantly copied from Ronaldo and everyone was laughing about after noticing it months ago.
I think he will.
In truth, I hope he does, makes our league/opponents weaker so can't complain... just don't think Madrid's Buy now pay later scheme is that attractive to DL
Both splash water in their faces, both tie their show laces with their hands. This is groundbreaking stuff!
I can't believe we're still debating this. Everyone would be bidding crazy amounts for "marketable" players if it meant them making back the money in a few months through shirt sales!
Read he's asked not to travel with the team and if hes forced to he'll refuse to play.
Stay classy you gormless chimp
Stay classy you gormless chimp
Personally I think Bale last season was as good as Ronaldo in 06/07 which was enough for the vast majority of United fans to claim he was the best player in the world. At that point Ronaldo was a £50m+ player and I'd say that's true of Bale too, once you adjust for inflation it's pretty much in keeping with the kind of fee he deserves IMO. I definitely see him as having the potential to be a Ballon d'Or winner (or second to Messi depending on how things go). If you're saying Bale is a £50m player at most then does that mean you think Cavani and Falcao are more proven and/or better players? Bale's got plenty of development left in him but I don't think you can say he's been found lacking in any area as of yet. Or at least no more so than Ronaldo at the same stage. For all the criticisms thrown at him for "being a Lampard" last season I think he's shown himself to be a similarly capable passer and (compared to Ronaldo as he is now) a better dribbler.
So can Bale do everything Ronaldo can do?
The answer is no
The answer is no
Ronaldo had something like 20 goals and 20 assist that season, didn't he?
I just think Fortitude (and myself) and you (Brwned) have totally different opinions on Bale's ability.
Bale is a much less sure thing than Ronaldo, he's really only had the one very good season.
Bale came into his own in the 10/11 season.
Bale 10/11
Goals 11
Assists 11
Bale 11/12
Goals 13
Assists 17
Bale 12/13
Goals 26
Assists 15
Goals 50
Assists 43
Then look at Ronaldo at United. We shall look at his last three seasons at the club.
Ronaldo 06/07
Goals 23
Assists 23
Ronaldo 07/08
Goals 42
Assists 9
Ronaldo 08/09
Goals 26
Assists 10
Goals 91
Assists 42
I would say that is a fairly significant difference, especially when you consider Ronaldo was doing his thing at the highest level regularly (the CL).
Bale is not worth anything near 80m. I think between 50-60m is generous with the lower end being accurate.
As a player Ronaldo can do far more than Bale can too. I think many are forgetting how bloody amazing Ronaldo was at United leading upto his move. Further to that, if you want to look further back at both players you will find Ronaldo has consistently out performed Bale.
Bale 10/11
Goals 11
Assists 11
Bale 11/12
Goals 13
Assists 17
Bale 12/13
Goals 26
Assists 15
Goals 50
Assists 43
Then look at Ronaldo at United. We shall look at his last three seasons at the club.
Ronaldo 06/07
Goals 23
Assists 23
Ronaldo 07/08
Goals 42
Assists 9
Ronaldo 08/09
Goals 26
Assists 10
Goals 91
Assists 42
I would say that is a fairly significant difference, especially when you consider Ronaldo was doing his thing at the highest level regularly (the CL).
Bale is not worth anything near 80m. I think between 50-60m is generous with the lower end being accurate.
As a player Ronaldo can do far more than Bale can too. I think many are forgetting how bloody amazing Ronaldo was at United leading upto his move. Further to that, if you want to look further back at both players you will find Ronaldo has consistently out performed Bale.
At the end of the day, he is worth whatever someone will pay for him.
True, but that fee is just batshit crazy.
That's his market value. It doesn't mean it's what he's actually worth.
Completely different context in world's football today. The amount of players who are still better than Bale is a lot higher than back then with Ronaldo.
In terms of Ballon d'Or, I don't think he'll have any chance as long as Ronaldo is around if the world is tired of giving it to Messi. He needs to have another similar season to the last one for him to put up there.
Spurs will be mental to not take £85m for Bale. I doubt they'll get that amount of money offered again in the future.
26 goals from Ronnie at that point was considered an average season too. Whereas for Bale it was a great one. Ronaldo was miles better than Bale at the same age.
The difference between Bale last season and Ronaldo back then was larger than people think - Ronaldo should've won the World Player of the Year that year in my opinion and was no worse than he is now. I think with Bale people see the individual match winning contributions and little else, where as in that season Ronaldo was actually running games as well as being productive. Frightening footballer. Not only better in the build up but a lot more creative and influential with his general play.
I think drawing comparisons in terms of statistics is missing the point regarding what made Ronaldo so good that season. Scholes had perhaps his best ever season for us that year and Giggs certainly had one of his best, yet Ronaldo stood head and shoulders above both of them. Bale is just not at that level, not at all. He's a significantly worse version of the current Ronaldo, and a different article altogether to the 06/07 one.
Still a fantastic player obviously... it's just I think people have forgotten that there is a still a debate as to what Ronaldo's strongest season was here out of his first two top drawer ones. When that debate exists between the aforementioned season and the 07/08 one in which Ronaldo scored 42 goals, it's safe to say that Bale has no place in such a discussion yet. His stats aren't even as good (which is what seems to be the most important thing nowadays), and that's before considering the other 90% of what goes on during a game of football.
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This obsession with statistics in football at the moment is driving me mad. I get the impression people watch a game of football and see this:
(Only with numbers and not Chinese letters obviously...)
I think drawing comparisons in terms of statistics is missing the point regarding what made Ronaldo so good that season. Scholes had perhaps his best ever season for us that year and Giggs certainly had one of his best, yet Ronaldo stood head and shoulders above both of them. Bale is just not at that level, not at all. He's a significantly worse version of the current Ronaldo, and a different article altogether to the 06/07 one.
Still a fantastic player obviously... it's just I think people have forgotten that there is a still a debate as to what Ronaldo's strongest season was here out of his first two top drawer ones. When that debate exists between the aforementioned season and the 07/08 one in which Ronaldo scored 42 goals, it's safe to say that Bale has no place in such a discussion yet. His stats aren't even as good (which is what seems to be the most important thing nowadays), and that's before considering the other 90% of what goes on during a game of football.
Edit:
This obsession with statistics in football at the moment is driving me mad. I get the impression people watch a game of football and see this:
(Only with numbers and not Chinese letters obviously...)
This, one bad injury and you end up with a Torres! Waste of money!
£85m for any player no matter how good is a deal too good to turn down, purely because of the risk factor if nothing else!
However, Real Madrid did apparently make the money back on shirts within one season, so risk factor can only really be judged on understanding the full economics. But on the flip side I'm sure any new player will generate shirt sales so there is a question of how much marginal difference it actually makes for the money. Once that is worked out it is than thinking about the marginal impact on the pitch and trophies that could come.
As good as Ronaldo in 06/07? Come off it Brwnd. I know you don't like Ronaldo but that's just silly. Bale is nowhere near as good on a technical level as Ronaldo was then and neither is he nearly as good on a technical level as Ronaldo of today. Ronaldo was miles ahead of him on the ball then and his dribbling is still far better. He'll never win the ballon dor IMO.
Yup. Even putting the goals aside, Ronaldo was absolutely brilliant on the ball. Bale simply isn't capable of that technical ability.
There is absolutely NO comparison
There is no plausible argument that concludes that Bale is the equal of Ronaldo now or even at the same stage of their respective careers.
His dribbling is far better? Really? I'm not a particularly big fan of Bale but that seems silly to me. In terms of striking the ball Bale's not far off at all, his passing's pretty much the same (technically sound but inventive and generally safe), his dribbling's probably less technical but more effective, it's only really Ronaldo's touch where I see a clear difference personally. And of course Ronaldo offers that aerial threat which undoubtedly adds another dimension to his game.
Ronaldo pre his pure goalscorer day was a much better dribbler than Bale. A lot of variety in his dribbling. I'd say they're both at a similar level now though in terms of what they do on the pitch, Ronaldo has cut down a lot of his flair to become more effective.
I dont rate either very highly when it comes to passing, both are good but nothing great considering their overall quality.
He's also stronger and his shooting is better, if Bale maintains this, then we can begin to compare..
I haven't read the post you're quoting so I may have read this out of context, however it's making presumptions on people's ratings of players to assume that because they think Bale's potential fee isn't what he is worth means other players who have achieved fees closer to what they think Bale is actually worth are better. It just means that all of these players are being acquired for sums that are way above their actual value. There's no way any of them are worth what has been said, unless of course they are being paid much more than we realise.
If they were outliers like Carroll then that's fine, but they're not. Fernandinho's going for £30m, Higuaín's going for £35m, Falcao and Cavani are going for £50m+...that is the going rate.
I've not bothered to look but I reckon even though Bale scored half as many goals as Ronaldo he scored more top class goals. No-one thinks he'll match Ronaldo's goal a game record (though few thought Messi would match Ronaldo's 42 goals...) but he's at the point where he can score from pretty much anywhere, at any point and against any team. I swear people are being harsh on Bale just because of the hype to begin with.
I've not bothered to look but I reckon even though Bale scored half as many goals as Ronaldo he scored more top class goals. No-one thinks he'll match Ronaldo's goal a game record (though few thought Messi would match Ronaldo's 42 goals...) but he's at the point where he can score from pretty much anywhere, at any point and against any team. I swear people are being harsh on Bale just because of the hype to begin with.
Niether are great dribblers anymore, Ronaldo used to be but it's all about pace and power at Madrid which is quite similar to Bale.
I think they are on about the same level when it comes to dribbling, maybe Ronaldo has a slight edge because he's a tad more explosive
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