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Could Daario be the Son of the Harpy? I don't know why but I feel like they might throw that in there as a twist.
This was a heavy and good episode. Hodors origin story, really powerfull stuff there.
However I have to agree with @Traub
Huge charcaters like bran and their role to play have not been present enough in the previous seasons because we were hooked up with so many other charcaters that just got more screen time and had a more interesting part to play. Now you sort of get sucked into the bigger picture but you lose touch with the individual charcaters. I think for example the show made a mistake of ommiting bran and his storyline entirely from season 5 and could have benefited from including some more of these timetravelling flashbacks and explaining a bit more about the nights king origin story, the children of the forest and the role and powers of the three-eyed raven.
However I have to agree with @Traub
Huge charcaters like bran and their role to play have not been present enough in the previous seasons because we were hooked up with so many other charcaters that just got more screen time and had a more interesting part to play. Now you sort of get sucked into the bigger picture but you lose touch with the individual charcaters. I think for example the show made a mistake of ommiting bran and his storyline entirely from season 5 and could have benefited from including some more of these timetravelling flashbacks and explaining a bit more about the nights king origin story, the children of the forest and the role and powers of the three-eyed raven.
The three-eyed raven is a greenseer and bran is the next greenseer
I like the idea that there was a plan from the start rather than making it up as they go along
Not sure what is so hard to understand
OMG 
This episode almost made me cry, the last sequence was the best of the entire show and by some distance. Better than the Hardhome battle.
This episode almost made me cry, the last sequence was the best of the entire show and by some distance. Better than the Hardhome battle.NahOMG
Ahhh just saw some of the replies, clear trolling, aha!
Yep, agreed. It would be annoying if something that could have been done easily before is saved for another moment cos... tv drama.
I posted that like a week ago after I stole it from someplace else, you theory-stealer!
Why didn't the old man in the tree just tell Bran what would happen if he went into one of those visions alone?
Also had he not already seen that would happen, or can he only see the past and present?
Also had he not already seen that would happen, or can he only see the past and present?
That could really be the case. Maybe the whitewalkers wouldn't have attacked the wall otherwise.
EDIT: trailer for the next episode looks like a filler
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Good episode and finally Bran's story has gotten legs! The first 5 episodes have been setting us up for something epic, I can feel it.
Really don't want to see a walker Hodor
I was just thinking, of all the crazy "x is going to become a whitewalker/zombie" that this one seems like it could be a good'un. Assuming Bran survives a bit longer, I can definitely see Zombie-Hodor having a little faceoff with him, Bran being utterly wracked with guilt etc.
I mentioned the "Bran makes the mad king go mad" theory a while back, but the other one I mentioned last week which I can see happening now is with the White Walkers destroying the wall. We now know that the Walkers themselves were created to stop the humans. So whilst we have been under the assumption that the Wall was built to keep the Walkers etc out of the Seven Kingdoms, I think the twist could in fact be that the Walkers constructed the wall originally in order to keep the humans out of the far north (where the Children of the Forest reside).
Can definitely see an epic finale type scene where the Walkers approach the wall and just shatter it with some simple command. Whether it needs to be related to Bran's wristmark or not I am unsure.
It also raises some even bigger questions about the nature of the Walkers, the seasons (summer and winter) in Westeros etc. It was already mentioned way back that the general power of magic in GoT apparently seems to wax and wane with the seasons (i.e. magic becomes stronger during winter, dragons etc). Does this 'awaken' the Walkers and cause them to start building their armies? Or is it the other way round somehow? There must be some sort of reason that with all the time previously, the Walkers have waited until now to make their move, so to speak, and that it coincides with the return of Winter.
Finally, we saw the creation of the Night's King, which is pretty huge. GRRM has often spoken of this 'bittersweet' ending for GoT. It basically turns out that the Walkers were created to keep humans in check and stop them from becoming too powerful. With this in mind, there is an argument for the idea that 'there must always been a Night's King'. Quite possibly this relates to some of Sams maester-research down in Oldtown. Based on the reveals of this episode, it wouldnt surprise me if - after defeating the Walkers - Jon or someone else agrees to become the next NK by being stabbed in much the same way. Then you eventually see the power of fire (Lord of Light - Jon having been resurrected) and ice (becoming the NK). This actually ties in with the whole Azor Ahai stuff, if it turns out that the first Azor Ahai (meant to be the herald of light, fire based etc) was the bloke who got stabbed and became the first NK. Jon being the second Azor Ahai becoming the second NK ultimately, and that it is this internal balance of 'fire' and 'ice' that controls the seasons etc in Westeros.
May as well stop watching now, ive sussed it!
I mentioned the "Bran makes the mad king go mad" theory a while back, but the other one I mentioned last week which I can see happening now is with the White Walkers destroying the wall. We now know that the Walkers themselves were created to stop the humans. So whilst we have been under the assumption that the Wall was built to keep the Walkers etc out of the Seven Kingdoms, I think the twist could in fact be that the Walkers constructed the wall originally in order to keep the humans out of the far north (where the Children of the Forest reside).
Can definitely see an epic finale type scene where the Walkers approach the wall and just shatter it with some simple command. Whether it needs to be related to Bran's wristmark or not I am unsure.
It also raises some even bigger questions about the nature of the Walkers, the seasons (summer and winter) in Westeros etc. It was already mentioned way back that the general power of magic in GoT apparently seems to wax and wane with the seasons (i.e. magic becomes stronger during winter, dragons etc). Does this 'awaken' the Walkers and cause them to start building their armies? Or is it the other way round somehow? There must be some sort of reason that with all the time previously, the Walkers have waited until now to make their move, so to speak, and that it coincides with the return of Winter.
Finally, we saw the creation of the Night's King, which is pretty huge. GRRM has often spoken of this 'bittersweet' ending for GoT. It basically turns out that the Walkers were created to keep humans in check and stop them from becoming too powerful. With this in mind, there is an argument for the idea that 'there must always been a Night's King'. Quite possibly this relates to some of Sams maester-research down in Oldtown. Based on the reveals of this episode, it wouldnt surprise me if - after defeating the Walkers - Jon or someone else agrees to become the next NK by being stabbed in much the same way. Then you eventually see the power of fire (Lord of Light - Jon having been resurrected) and ice (becoming the NK). This actually ties in with the whole Azor Ahai stuff, if it turns out that the first Azor Ahai (meant to be the herald of light, fire based etc) was the bloke who got stabbed and became the first NK. Jon being the second Azor Ahai becoming the second NK ultimately, and that it is this internal balance of 'fire' and 'ice' that controls the seasons etc in Westeros.
May as well stop watching now, ive sussed it!
This thread is a embarrassment to men.
episode leaked couple hours early and people go all crazy dropping panties acting like little bit****
then, close the door!!! So lame. It doesn't even make a little bit of sense.
goblins?? running on the ceiling of the cave... lame as feck. Thats LOTR stuff, why copy it?
I'm glad the storylines should start moving out of the north and going south soon enough.
episode leaked couple hours early and people go all crazy dropping panties acting like little bit****
then, close the door!!! So lame. It doesn't even make a little bit of sense.
goblins?? running on the ceiling of the cave... lame as feck. Thats LOTR stuff, why copy it?
I'm glad the storylines should start moving out of the north and going south soon enough.
What? I genuinely thought that she was ugly. Different tastes I guess, but I'm really surprised to see a polar opinion
Bran hates you for this. You're going to get Hodored.
Fantastic episode!!
Your reasoning is something you'd hear from book purists. I just find it absurd is all. You didn't offend me, Randall.
Bran's story really picked up this week. Can't wait to see what happens with him. Poor Hodor
Arya was good as well. I wonder why the assassin is targeting the actress though, might be something else going on there.
Sansa finally is stepping up after being abused and degraded all this time! Thormund & Brienne
This new priestess woman probably has more power/magic than the red-woman. I wonder if she truly believes in Daenerys or not. Ser Friendzone finally came out with the love quote, a rather pointless scene IMO.
Still don't care about Theon or his uncle. Not sure where they've set sail or how quickly uncle will build his 1000 ships.
Best episode of the season so far.
Arya was good as well. I wonder why the assassin is targeting the actress though, might be something else going on there.
Sansa finally is stepping up after being abused and degraded all this time! Thormund & Brienne
This new priestess woman probably has more power/magic than the red-woman. I wonder if she truly believes in Daenerys or not. Ser Friendzone finally came out with the love quote, a rather pointless scene IMO.
Still don't care about Theon or his uncle. Not sure where they've set sail or how quickly uncle will build his 1000 ships.
Best episode of the season so far.
Never read them and didn't mean it to sound like that
If they weren't based on books at all, I'd still prefer plot points like that to be planned well ahead than making it up season by season
Someone mentioned Lost and that's exactly why that show ended so badly
Ser Friendzone is a cringe creep.
I wish Khaleesi would just have him killed. It would be a mercy killing seeing as he's just a lovesick pup with grayscale.
I wish Khaleesi would just have him killed. It would be a mercy killing seeing as he's just a lovesick pup with grayscale.
There's a discussion on reddit about whether bran forced hodor to hold the door and basically murdering him to protect himself, or if it was hodor sacrificing himself to protect bran. To me hodor looked in control, but it make sense that bran was in charge there, and it makes it even more tragic.
Not sure about that but the girl who saves Bran (forget her name) certainly seemed to know what was going to happen. Does she have powers?
When the whitewalkers were breaking in she was saying "we need Hodor".
Maybe she just thought they needed him because he's big and strong but also seemed to be foreshadowing what was to come. And obviously it was her command which ultimately 'kills him' and gives him the name.
Maybe I'm totally wrong there. I don't know much about her (solely because she's been a completely forgettable character until now).
Hodor wasn't being controlled at the time, but he lived all his life anticipating this moment, this was his destiny and he didn't chose it, Bran did it for him many many years ago (and today. time travel
). So it wasn't a selfless sacrifice, it was something that he did because he knew he had toThe Hodor scene is one of the best scenes to date. Completely unexpected & we finally understand why he only said 'Hodor'. Brilliant.
The Stark kids should be the primary focus for the rest of the season. Honestly more interested in their stories than anything at Kings Landing, Theon, fat sam or the mother-of-dragons-breaker-of-chains-you-only-tolerate-me-because-I-get-my-tits-out-every-so-often.
The Stark kids should be the primary focus for the rest of the season. Honestly more interested in their stories than anything at Kings Landing, Theon, fat sam or the mother-of-dragons-breaker-of-chains-you-only-tolerate-me-because-I-get-my-tits-out-every-so-often.
I don't think you're right here. They needed Hodor because he can carry Bran and fight the undead if necessary. He was a crucial part of their group and she won't make it out there, running from zombies and carrying the young man behind her.
I suspect that the waitress in question could be playing Arya in their next production. A bit of symbolism involved with Arya essentially killing 'herself' to become no-one.
But how would you go about doing that with plot points? Whats confusing is that your opinion of the origin seems to be entirely based on the source. If its never revealed when it was thought up, what would your opinion then be?
I wonder why? Clodor!!Need to stop falling asleep whilst watching this show, just had a dream I sold Benteke for 45 million and 2 unsullied to the angry black woman next door. Except I only had 42 on me. Yeah somehow i was paying her to buy him.
Then next thing I know theres a woman with a cock masturbating in my house whilst im playing Dragonball Z. Oh and I also somehow joined the Mafia.
I need alcohol and therapy.
Then next thing I know theres a woman with a cock masturbating in my house whilst im playing Dragonball Z. Oh and I also somehow joined the Mafia.
I need alcohol and therapy.
I thought it was a very good episode, if not quite as good as last weeks episode (which I thought was fantastic)...
To be honest, everything was really really good, and the ending was excellent... but that bizarre theatre/pantomine show thing, that went on for far FAR too long was absolutely awful. I'm talking Dorne levels of bad.
To be honest, everything was really really good, and the ending was excellent... but that bizarre theatre/pantomine show thing, that went on for far FAR too long was absolutely awful. I'm talking Dorne levels of bad.
I imagine he'll be able to warg into something that can potentially carry them? Unless they meet someone who helps them along the way.
Difference being that it was supposed to be bad.
Better than last week's episode? Really?? I can't even remember last week's episode.