Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

[Iker Quesadillas]

but people aren’t complaining that it ended. They are complaining that it ended in a terrible way that made no sense.

People have been complaining that the show ended too soon, and as a result was rushed, because the creators wanted to leave to do Star Wars movies. I have read that complaint a million times since the show ended. In fact it was made on this very page:

The descent itself, however, is incredibly rushed as a result of the writers cramming the entire endgame of the show into four episodes.

The implicit solution to this problem is that the show should have more episodes. This typically requires the show ending later.

Here's another:

They didn’t though, just by virtue of the fact that they refused more seasons

The argument is that the showrunners should have done more seasons, i.e. the show should have ended later.


Of course people can complain about the quality of the ending all they want I just think the alternative scenario where the show is handed off to someone else and lasts for 2-3 more seasons and has an amazing finale is even remotely plausible.

 

[esmufc07]

That whole 'democracy' scene at the council led by Samwell still makes me cringe even now.

Trash finale, ruined any love I had for the show.

 

[cafecillos]

That whole 'democracy' scene at the council led by Samwell still makes me cringe even now.

Trash finale, ruined any love I had for the show.

Yeah, many people focus the criticism on a few scenes, Dany went mad too quickly, etc. but no, almost everything in the last couple of seasons was a clusterfeck (the wheels had started to come off in seasons 5 and 6 admittedly, but no one was expecting such a disastrous ending), and that scene in particular was in my opinion the worst of all. It was a horrendous mixture of utter implausibility, out of place 4th wall breaking, the tackiest of fan services, embarrassing dialogue and phoned-in performances by visibly uninterested actors.

 

[Redlambs]

People have been complaining that the show ended too soon, and as a result was rushed, because the creators wanted to leave to do Star Wars movies. I have read that complaint a million times since the show ended. In fact it was made on this very page:


The implicit solution to this problem is that the show should have more episodes. This typically requires the show ending later.

Here's another:

The argument is that the showrunners should have done more seasons, i.e. the show should have ended later.

No, the complaint is the way they decided to end it then rush to that end, not that it had to end. And they said it themselves it was to do Star Wars (among other things). That is not a secret.

It wasn't a planned series for length, that's the crux of the issue. If it was planned for 8 seasons and structured properly, there would have been far less backlash (though obviously some would still hate it )

 

[HTG]

Yeah, many people focus the criticism on a few scenes, Dany went mad too quickly, etc. but no, almost everything in the last couple of seasons was a clusterfeck (the wheels had started to come off in seasons 5 and 6 admittedly, but no one was expecting such a disastrous ending), and that scene in particular was in my opinion the worst of all. It was a horrendous mixture of utter implausibility, out of place 4th wall breaking, the tackiest of fan services, embarrassing dialogue and phoned-in performances by visibly uninterested actors.

I don’t know. I think Tyrion explaining why Bran is the ideal king was worse. All that was missing there was Peter Dinklage looking straight into the camera and winking to the audience.

 

[CoopersDream]

Sure, adaptive writing is a thing, I’m not disputing that. And they certainly did that very well in the first 3-4 seasons.

But you gotta admit that once they had to stand on their own, they came up with some absolute crap when it comes to character arcs and believable plots. This was partly because they were too proud to hand it over to other producers once they wanted to do other stuff.

Well, yes, it obviously got much more hit and miss (and towards the end miss) after they ran out of material. They did however write some absolutely brilliant episodes after that as well. I'm just saying that it doesn't nullify the good writing that came before. The fact that George RR Martin struggles so heavily to finish the books should tell you all you need to know about what a difficult task it was to finish it.

People have been complaining that the show ended too soon, and as a result was rushed, because the creators wanted to leave to do Star Wars movies. I have read that complaint a million times since the show ended. In fact it was made on this very page:

The implicit solution to this problem is that the show should have more episodes. This typically requires the show ending later.

I think, in broader terms, that was the main issue with the final seasons. The plot had to move along so fast in order to get to the ending that reason just went out the door. I would think that a lot of issues people have with the end is exactly that it doesn't make sense because of how they got there. To me the end in itself made sense, just that how they got there makes the entire show so much worse.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

That whole 'democracy' scene at the council led by Samwell still makes me cringe even now.

Trash finale, ruined any love I had for the show.

That and Sansa telling her uncle to sit down when he was stating his case for the throne.

"Eh, no Sansa. I'm the only one here with any real leadership or military experience, and your idiot brother is the reason why I was imprisoned for years. So maybe shut the feck up, yeah?"

 

[cafecillos]

I don’t know. I think Tyrion explaining why Bran is the ideal king was worse. All that was missing there was Peter Dinklage looking straight into the camera and winking to the audience.

I was referring to the whole "council" scene, if I remember correctly this was also part of that utter shite

 

[HTG]

I was referring to the whole "council" scene, if I remember correctly this was also part of that utter shite

Might have been so. I basically only remember small snippets from the end, that haunt me every now and then.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Well, yes, it obviously got much more hit and miss (and towards the end miss) after they ran out of material. They did however write some absolutely brilliant episodes after that as well. I'm just saying that it doesn't nullify the good writing that came before. The fact that George RR Martin struggles so heavily to finish the books should tell you all you need to know about what a difficult task it was to finish it.

It’s not supposed to be easy, but what they put out was similar to what I would expect from a fifth-grader. Cockjokes and action scenes with big explosions.

And I think GRRM is just disinterested now. His story has been concluded on tv already, so I imagine his motivation is not really there.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

And I think GRRM is just disinterested now. His story has been concluded on tv already, so I imagine his motivation is not really there.

He’s been ’disinterested’ since 2007. Guy ran into the mother of all writer’s block when he decided to not follow through with the planned 5 years time skip. The last book came out the year GoT premiered.

 

[SuperiorXI]

What about the bit where Brienne wrote in that book and slammed it shut before the ink was dry? Everything she wrote would now be ink blots and unreadable

 

[FriedClams]

If I could have ended game of thrones my way, the white walkers would have won the battle, and advanced on kings landing where the last two people alive were Jaime and Cersei, just like he wanted.

 

[Semper Fudge]

If I could have ended game of thrones my way, the white walkers would have won the battle, and advanced on kings landing where the last two people alive were Jaime and Cersei, just like he wanted.

Quite impressive that you've come up with an ending just as bad as the one we got.

 

[Mike Smalling]

What about the bit where Brienne wrote in that book and slammed it shut before the ink was dry? Everything she wrote would now be ink blots and unreadable

She kinda forgot.

 

[FriedClams]

Quite impressive that you've come up with an ending just as bad as the one we got.

The white walkers winning in the end would have been best. The show got famous because it wasn’t scared to kill off the main characters, taking them all out in one battle and getting to understand more about the white walkers would have been better than bran demanding the small council have good etiquette

 

[Mike Smalling]

It should have ended with Euron having a finger in the bum, just like he wanted.

 

[rimaldo]

Seems most of you still don’t know how to use spoilers. Basically no point me watching it.

 

[Redlambs]

Seems most of you still don’t know how to use spoilers. Basically no point me watching it.

I can guess at a timeline for you, if you'd like.

 

[Redplane]

Seems most of you still don’t know how to use spoilers. Basically no point me watching it.

Harry Potter was abandoned as a child and Romeo & Juliet both die.

 

[FriedClams]

As far as best moment in the show goes, I still think the white walkers arriving in hardholm was the best all round.

 

[Salt Bailly]

The white walkers winning in the end would have been best. The show got famous because it wasn’t scared to kill off the main characters, taking them all out in one battle and getting to understand more about the white walkers would have been better than bran demanding the small council have good etiquette

They were surely trolling us with the multiple cuts to Sam surrounded by white walkers at Winterfell before he miraculously survived unscathed.

 

[FriedClams]

Seems most of you still don’t know how to use spoilers. Basically no point me watching it.

Bruce Willis is dead in the sixth sense the whole time. They show him getting shot right at the beginning of the movie, but it made more sense to us that his wife was giving him the silence treatment.

 

[FriedClams]

They were surely trolling us with the multiple cuts to Sam surrounded by white walkers at Winterfell before he miraculously survived unscathed.

Sam survived, as did Jon, Arya, the hound, Sansa, Tyrion, dany, brienne etc… the biggest death was Jorah ffs

 

[Mike Smalling]

As far as best moment in the show goes, I still think the white walkers arriving in hardholm was the best all round.

For me it was when Rhaegal was 360 no-scoped out of the sky. Funniest moment of the entire series.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Bruce Willis is dead in the sixth sense the whole time. They show him getting shot right at the beginning of the movie, but it made more sense to us that his wife was giving him the silence treatment.

That was Bruce Willis the whole movie?!

 

[AaronRedDevil]

Favourite TV show of all time for me but man, that Season 8 just kills me. Nothing made a goddamn lick of sense. What's worse is that it started off perfect with the first 2 episodes of everyone meeting again. Then it all goes wrong when somehow Jamie Brienne and Tourmund survives the Tsunami of WW running over them at the start. Wasting the Dothraki. Jon never fights the NK, Danys complete 180 after she's WON the bloody war. Jamie and Cersei getting killed by debris. Jamie saying feck the people even though he killed a King for them in the first place.

Too many things just annoy the shit out of me. If they'd just Done some generic ending, it would be so much better. I literally wrote out how to make it better without changing the main parts and just tweak it just enough for it to make sense a little.

 

[2cents]

Favourite TV show of all time for me but man, that Season 8 just kills me. Nothing made a goddamn lick of sense. What's worse is that it started off perfect with the first 2 episodes of everyone meeting again.

This is the opening dialogue of Season 8:

TYRION: You should consider yourself lucky. At least your balls won’t freeze off.

VARYS: You take great offense at dwarf jokes, but love telling eunuch jokes. Why is that?

TYRION: Because I have balls, and you don't.

 

[Redplane]

This is the opening dialogue of Season 8:

TYRION: You should consider yourself lucky. At least your balls won’t freeze off.

VARYS: You take great offense at dwarf jokes, but love telling eunuch jokes. Why is that?

TYRION: Because I have balls, and you don't.

He had a way with words that little imp.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

This is the opening dialogue of Season 8:

TYRION: You should consider yourself lucky. At least your balls won’t freeze off.

VARYS: You take great offense at dwarf jokes, but love telling eunuch jokes. Why is that?

TYRION: Because I have balls, and you don't.

Yeah that's was stupid. But that whole Brienne scene and Pod singing was pretty nice.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Bruce Willis is dead in the sixth sense the whole time. They show him getting shot right at the beginning of the movie, but it made more sense to us that his wife was giving him the silence treatment.

I thought he was a robot?!

 

[atkar83]

People have been complaining that the show ended too soon, and as a result was rushed, because the creators wanted to leave to do Star Wars movies. I have read that complaint a million times since the show ended. In fact it was made on this very page:

The implicit solution to this problem is that the show should have more episodes. This typically requires the show ending later.

Here's another:

The argument is that the showrunners should have done more seasons, i.e. the show should have ended later.


Of course people can complain about the quality of the ending all they want I just think the alternative scenario where the show is handed off to someone else and lasts for 2-3 more seasons and has an amazing finale is even remotely plausible.

All this. The story could have ended the same way it did, but if it was properly fleshed out, maybe its not a complete disaster like it turned out. It took 60 episodes to get to 6 seasons. At that point, it seemed like the story was 50-65% complete. Yet they decided to complete all those storyline threads in 13 more episodes. So 50-35% of the story-line left in about 20% of the time it took to start the story. Absolutely stupid, especially in a once-in-a-lifetime show like GoT. D&D should have known the scale of the show, and just stepped back and let someone else finish it. There was no reason for HBO to end this show so early. And the writing started going back in season 5 once they ran out of source material. Someone more serious in charge would have saved us from all the shit writing and poor story choices

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

And the writing started going back in season 5 once they ran out of source material.

First 3 books, season 1-4: 3029 pages
Last 2 books + unpublished material cut from the last book : 2144 published pages + ~ 500 manuscript pages

It’s an absolute lie that has been peddled that the drop in writing starting season 5 was due to them ‘running out of material’, it’s more likely a combination of Martin no longer involving himself in the writing process + them losing interest after Red Wedding. They could’ve easily gotten at least 3 solid season, if not 4, out of those material, and finish the show in another 2 with the outlines Martin gave them.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Yeah, many people focus the criticism on a few scenes, Dany went mad too quickly, etc. but no, almost everything in the last couple of seasons was a clusterfeck (the wheels had started to come off in seasons 5 and 6 admittedly, but no one was expecting such a disastrous ending), and that scene in particular was in my opinion the worst of all. It was a horrendous mixture of utter implausibility, out of place 4th wall breaking, the tackiest of fan services, embarrassing dialogue and phoned-in performances by visibly uninterested actors.

This sums it up perfectly. What a fall from grace.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Still can’t believe they included fecking Ed Sheeran in the show. That’s when you knew for certain that the producers were more interested in the spectacle than telling the story well.

 

[cafecillos]

Still can’t believe they included fecking Ed Sheeran in the show. That’s when you knew for certain that the producers were more interested in the spectacle than telling the story well.

And telling a fourth wall breaking joke, no less. That was an awful pisstake too