Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Yep. Bran should have gone too.

Speaking of which, has he actually impacted the story at all? I struggle to think of anything that wouldn't have happened without him, sam would have figured Jon out and Arya would likely have got LF. Jaime is pointless at this point.

So him becoming the 3er and being bait, was there any real point?

His purpose was to be able to do flashbacks to allow us to see Jons heritage and have a few more interactions with the White Walkers. But yeah, unless he does something in the final 3 episodes, he was completely redundant. :lol:

I guess some will argue that he was partly responsible for the NK death...?
 
Aye but you think you'd be a little bit less hasty to go with your standard tactic when you're charging in to a black void that you surely know is filled with hundreds of thousands of zombies, a giant, an ice dragon and ancient magical beings.

I blame Melisandre. Lighting up those arakhs was what got them all fired up for the charge, and she surely know they were going to get fecked up.
I agree. She just got in the way most of the time.
 
His purpose was to be able to do flashbacks to allow us to see Jons heritage and have a few more interactions with the White Walkers. But yeah, unless he does something in the final 3 episodes, he was completely redundant. :lol:

I guess some will argue that he was partly responsible for the NK death...?

But was he? The NK was always coming past the wall and they always would figure out kill him and you kill the army.

The only thing he has ever done is get pushed from a tower which LF used to manipulate the first war (and even then, that doesn't change a single thing) Literally every single thing after that is just get people killed because he knows stuff. Zero actually relevant plot points.

It's kind of sad when you think about it, I wish I hadn't :lol:
 
Pretty brilliant though - sorry guys I tried to keep up and get slaughtered with ya but you know..this damn horse.
He's not been himself recently. I'll get a new one next time, I promise.
 
He was brilliant. I always hoped he would come back as they never actually showed his death but it won't happen now.
He is the one true king. As soon as he said “They’ll bend the knee or I’ll destroy them”, I was sold.

Also, “thousands” may be the greatest single-word line in TV history.
 
I'm no where near as excited for next weeks episode now. Feels like the climax was episode three and it'll all be kinda dull from here.
 
But was he? The NK was always coming past the wall and they always would figure out kill him and you kill the army.

The only thing he has ever done is get pushed from a tower which LF used to manipulate the first war (and even then, that doesn't change a single thing) Literally every single thing after that is just get people killed because he knows stuff. Zero actually relevant plot points.

It's kind of sad when you think about it, I wish I hadn't :lol:

Aye, I have a slight hunch that they had real issues figuring out what to do with Bran and the White Walkers. Be interesting to see what George does with this storyline if he ever gets the books finished, it'll be pretty different would be my guess. Still the White Walkers did deliver Hardhome which is probably my favourite episode.
 
Aye, I have a slight hunch that they had real issues figuring out what to do with Bran and the White Walkers. Be interesting to see what George does with this storyline if he ever gets the books finished, it'll be pretty different would be my guess. Still the White Walkers did deliver Hardhome which is probably my favourite episode.

Yeah, but even that happens without Bran :lol:

It was great, still better than anything since for me and perhaps the pinnacle of the series when we look back in a few years time.
 
I've also just realised why the cavalry charge was as ineffective as it was.

Any of the enemies they smashed in to won't have died. Crushing or riding over the wights does nothing to them. As soon as their charge slowed down a bit, they would have been eaten up by wights from the front and wights from the back who didn't get killed by the charge. Only the enemies they hit with the arakhs (and with that visibility, can't see that being many?) would have been hurt at all.

Basically, cavalry charges = totally shit vs non human enemies who don't die from blunt force. You'll just end up surrounded and mobbed.

Not to mention one of the things which made the Dothraki effective was their archer volleys before they engaged the enemy lines (see battle with Lannisters) therefore disrupting formations. And again, they were unable to do that here.
 
Not entirely relevant but Jorah and Theon come in 9th and 10th on the list of characters based on screen time. More than people like Bran, Varys, The Hound and Brienne. For some reason Hot Pie has been in it more than The Night King before the start of the season. Unless the Night King was in it for more than five minutes then Hot Pie is still in the lead.
We need more Hot Pie on the way to Kings Landing.
 
His purpose was to be able to do flashbacks to allow us to see Jons heritage and have a few more interactions with the White Walkers. But yeah, unless he does something in the final 3 episodes, he was completely redundant. :lol:

I guess some will argue that he was partly responsible for the NK death...?
He was bait.

He'll probably go and live in a tree somewhere.
 
He was bait.

He'll probably go and live in a tree somewhere.

Unecessary bait.

In fact, without him, the plan would surely have been better because they would likely have just used the dragons first.

Whichever way we look at it, Bran was only marginally more useful to the story than Rickon. Or Dickon. Or Eboue.
 
It looked more like he followed it actually.

Hmm. Will need to rewatch, it didn't feel like a mistake though. Everyone was watching the charge and no one was questioning why the silly cnuts were running off into the dark.

If he did then he needs to find himself a healthier horse. He had been overtaken by half of the Dothraki when we see him.

Who wants to be at the front of a charge?!
 
I'm no where near as excited for next weeks episode now. Feels like the climax was episode three and it'll all be kinda dull from here.
Have to agree on this. We're supposed to believe that the army and dragons which couldn't be stopped by the unstoppable force of nature that was the Night King (well except for his too-small breastplate) are going to crumble against Qyburn?
 
Have to agree on this. We're supposed to believe that the army and dragons which couldn't be stopped by the unstoppable force of nature that was the Night King (well except for his too-small breastplate) are going to crumble against Qyburn?

What army?

There's about 400 people left alive at Winterfell.
 
Have to agree on this. We're supposed to believe that the army and dragons which couldn't be stopped by the unstoppable force of nature that was the Night King (well except for his too-small breastplate) are going to crumble against Qyburn?

Barely any army left is there? The dragons are powerful but as season 7 showed you can take them down.

I'm looking forward to the conclusion of the Lannister story. Hoping either Jaime or Tyrion make the kill on Cersei not Arya. We have Clegane bowl too :devil:
 
Hmm. Will need to rewatch, it didn't feel like a mistake though. Everyone was watching the charge and no one was questioning why the silly cnuts were running off into the dark.

Oh yeah, it was a mistake, but Jorah looked like he had to go with it and didn't expect it.

What army?

There's about 400 people left alive at Winterfell.

I dunno, there's loads of Unsullied left, we don't know about the knights if the vale, and that surely wasn't 40k dothraki lost. The army is smaller than it was no doubt, but I reckon they should have at least 10k left which is way less than Cersei, but she doesn't have 2 dragons, ninja Arya and a daydreaming cripple.
 
Ugh, that fecking r/asoiaf sub. A thread on Kit Harrington being "pissed off" (he was clearly joking) in the behind the scenes video about not getting to kill the Night King leads to comments like...

"Apparently every character's sole purpose is to make Arya look more badass by comparison"

"Yasssss queen slayyyyy. She is fierce. So fecking disappointing. I ate a bunch of hotdogs after to comfort myself AND I FELT WORSE."

"The fact that she killed the Night King, and in such a nonsensical way is bad enough. But now we have to see thousands of people who probably haven’t watched anything before season 6 on twitter yell “omg arya so badass yas queen slay” it’s just rubbing salt in the wound at this point."

"The show has been, and it is, a giant, fuming pile of shit. This aberration is nothing but a crowd-pleasing, meme-generating, fan-servicing, dumbed down version fo something once connected with ASIOF. It isn't even worth talking about ti anymore."

"Oh don't get it twisted, they took Arya out back with them. Arya is supposed to be an irredeemably broken child, after being brutalised and tortured at a very young age and having seen her father executed and all of the worst rape and murder mankind has to offer, her storyline should end pitifully and desperately unhappily - a harrowing tale of the ruination of an innocent child."

"Instead we get YASSSS QUEEN SLAYYYY, killing the night king, banging Gendry, fighting like she's straight out of a kung fu movie and more travesties."

All upvoted.

RAWK for neckbeards.

That makes me so angry:mad: That type of life doesn't leave you broken, it leaves you a hardened killer.
 
I'm no where near as excited for next weeks episode now. Feels like the climax was episode three and it'll all be kinda dull from here.
Depends on your perspective really. The character-driven drama was the best thing about the show for me, and the bigger the scope, the worse the writing has been.

Whoever ends up on the throne will be the draw from here, which is fine by me as I've had my fill of gloomy fighting. It was intense and exciting but also felt like having cataracts.
 
Stannis’ performance in the Battle of the Blackwater is still my favourite by any character in the entire series.

The man epitomises what it is to be both a warrior and a leader, unlike Jon Snow, would couldn’t lead a dog on a walk.
 
Barely any army left is there? The dragons are powerful but as season 7 showed you can take them down.

I'm looking forward to the conclusion of the Lannister story. Hoping either Jaime or Tyrion make the kill on Cersei not Arya. We have Clegane bowl too :devil:
That's where I would have had Arya's big moment. She could save/avenge The Hound by killing the Mountain during Cleganebowl and take out other people on her list. Facetime someone - Qyburn maybe? - and get close to Cersei. Then she could kill Cersei or involve Dany or Jamie or Tyrion or any number of people who would represent a better finish for the series. Instead it will probably be the inverse of what happened up North. Jon, who has had virtually no interaction with Cersei, will probably be the one to kill her for no other reason than he's Aegon the rightful heir.
 
Oh yeah, it was a mistake, but Jorah looked like he had to go with it and didn't expect it.

I dunno, there's loads of Unsullied left, we don't know about the knights if the vale, and that surely wasn't 40k dothraki lost. The army is smaller than it was no doubt, but I reckon they should have at least 10k left which is way less than Cersei, but she doesn't have 2 dragons, ninja Arya and a daydreaming cripple.

The question is did they manage to get all the Dothraki and Unsullied from Dragonstone to Winterfell? Did they have enough boats? If they did, then thats the majority of the Dothraki dead as not many came back from the initial 'charge'. The majority of the Unsullied were dead too, i'd have to watch it again but Greyworm certainly sacrificed a number of them when he opened the 'trap' as they were on the other side of it. One whole column was 100% dead, I think from memory there were two columns of Unsullied though, so the question is did the undead already destroy the first column and smash into the 2nd, or was that all of them gone? Also when the wights were destroyed, there really weren't many people left standing on the zoomed out shots of Winterfell, so either that was bad editing and they simply didn't bother to add in the survivors or they were all toast.

I'd wager the Dothraki are no longer a fighting force and there's only a few units left of the Unsullied.
 
Was really disappointed by that episode. Thought that it didn’t build up to any of the major moments in a big way and didn’t make the battle “mean” enough. Too many overpowered characters, people like Sam shouldn’t be surviving here.
 
What army?

There's about 400 people left alive at Winterfell.
And then you've got Jaime, Brienne, Pod, Tormund, Sam, Dany, Arya, The Hound, Gendy, Gilly, Little Sam, Missandei, Greyworm, Tyrion, Davos, Sansa & Jon. Character's whose plot armor is so thick that they can survive impossible odds despite trained soldiers like the Dothraki (on horse back), the Unsullied & others getting instantly swarmed and dying in seconds.

Cersei's screwed.
 
The question is did they manage to get all the Dothraki and Unsullied from Dragonstone to Winterfell? Did they have enough boats? If they did, then thats the majority of the Dothraki dead as not many came back from the initial 'charge'. The majority of the Unsullied were dead too, i'd have to watch it again but Greyworm certainly sacrificed a number of them when he opened the 'trap' as they were on the other side of it. One whole column was 100% dead, I think from memory there were two columns of Unsullied though, so the question is did the undead already destroy the first column and smash into the 2nd, or was that all of them gone? Also when the wights were destroyed, there really weren't many people left standing on the zoomed out shots of Winterfell, so either that was bad editing and they simply didn't bother to add in the survivors or they were all toast.

I'd wager the Dothraki are no longer a fighting force and there's only a few units left of the Unsullied.

I dunno, they have to have a force for her. Vale knights and what's left on the Iron islands?

I bet she has a fair few next episode, they can't have another big battle with one side left without a decent army.
 
What army?

There's about 400 people left alive at Winterfell.

They have 2 dragons though tbf.

Unless Qyburn has majorly advanced plans past the ballista stage, they can't do shit against that. Targs conquered Westeros with a few thousand men and dragons.

I reckon overall the remnants of the Winterfell army will probably be a couple thousand, maybe?