Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Imagine the scene, Manchester United v Liverpool on the final day of next season. They're both tied on points at the top of the table, the game is 0-0 and the 89th minute Man United get a penalty and Rashford is taking his run up. At that moment, how many stewards are doing their job and how many are taking a sneaky look at the game.

The Night King was just about to kill his mortal enemy after 100s of years of trying. Of course his boys were watching that rather than keeping an eye on the fire exits for tiny girl ninjas.
 
Having the Night King killed off in his first battle south of the wall after 8 series of building to the point was very anti climatic. I did like that Arya did it though.

Still feels like their needed to be more to it, and the fact they now have to go south and defeat Cersi, feels a bit like if in Harry Potter, Voldemort had got defeat half way through the last book and they had to go off and defeat Malfoy.
 
dove said:
I know she is a stealth master but how did no one notice her when there was half an army around? Other than that, brilliant.
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In the library they showed her moving around without a sound, the WW's only noticed her when a drop of blood fell to the ground, meaning she was incredibly stealthy. She also sneaked up to Jon a couple of episodes ago in the Godswood without him noticing. Her entire story arc was becoming this stealthy assassin, started with chasing the cats as asked by Syrio Forel. Once she had the talk with Melissandre, I was convinced she was going to kill the NK.

I found the ending to be perfect. The NK got cocky after he survived the dragonfire.
 
sullydnl said:
Ultimately though the NK's death was always going to be an anticlimax. He's a massively overpowered villain with one fatal weakness that would immediately defeat not just him but his entire army. By his very nature he's a set up for a "random person stabs him and saves the day" ending, which would never be entirely satisfying after years of building him up.
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It wasnt just the Night Kings power though, it was all the white walkers. As demonstrated when the Expedition rode North and killed the White Walker. This implies that they could have thinned out the ranks of White Walkers to reduce the herd first before taking on the Night King himself. But the writers avoided the slow answer and went for the fast "kill the Night King" route instead.
 
onemanarmy said:
In the library they showed her moving around without a sound, the WW's only noticed her when a drop of blood fell to the ground, meaning she was incredibly stealthy. She also sneaked up to Jon a couple of episodes ago in the Godswood without him noticing. Her entire story arc was becoming this stealthy assassin, started with chasing the cats as asked by Syrio Forel. Once she had the talk with Melissandre, I was convinced she was going to kill the NK.

I found the ending to be perfect. The NK got cocky after he survived the dragonfire.
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Indeed, just literally finished watching it 10 mins ago, didn't have time to think about it. All makes sense now.
 
It was ok. But too dark, my head hurts after watching that. I missed some of the deaths, what happens to Thormund, Gendry, dragons first fight than one disappears, NK one goes on, does that one lives who gets swarmed by WW?
Also that dothraki charge was so stupid.
Arya killing NK was ok but bit of an anticlimax.
 
RoyH1 said:
I kept on blaming my wifi, my tv and the HBO app for the blurry/hay picture quality, but it does seem that it was made that way. Took a bit of enjoyment.

A magnificent visual spectacle, but prefer the Battle of the Bastards for its rawness. But I loved that ending, all of it.
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Battle of the Bastards is still the best for me as well. That was the last time where i genuinely thought anything could happen. I was on the edge of my seat for that one. Also helped that the antagonist was a right cnut. I hated Ramsay so the prospect of him winning was unthinkable.
 
onemanarmy said:
In the library they showed her moving around without a sound, the WW's only noticed her when a drop of blood fell to the ground, meaning she was incredibly stealthy. She also sneaked up to Jon a couple of episodes ago in the Godswood without him noticing. Her entire story arc was becoming this stealthy assassin, started with chasing the cats as asked by Syrio Forel. Once she had the talk with Melissandre, I was convinced she was going to kill the NK.

I found the ending to be perfect. The NK got cocky after he survived the dragonfire.
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Oh my, why do people keep mentioning that Jon scene. There's a huge difference in Arya sneaking up on one person than sneaking up on the NK and his entire entourage of pimps.
 
So dragon glass is apparently shit because the feckers just kept coming. 1 dragon left. Now to take on that Cersei bitch. Surprised it ended so quickly for the night king.
 
Green_Red said:
So dragon glass is apparently shit because the feckers just kept coming. 1 dragon left. Now to take on that Cersei bitch. Surprised it ended so quickly for the night king.
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He's like the Tottenham of GoT. Such promising signs, only to feck up at the first real hurdle
 
BusbyMalone said:
A visual spectacle and an extremely impressive episode in that sense. The opening 15/20 minutes were incredible. Reminded me so much of the Winds of Winter episode (same director i think) with the tension that they built. Incredible stuff.

However.

To me personally that was very anticlimactic. I love the Night King. Love the mystique surrounding him, his design, his badassery (if that’s a word) and for him to go out like that? Nah. What a fecking let down. The thing is, i’m not even sure what outcome i wanted. But it wasn’t that. Not like this.

Also, there’s just no sense of peril there anymore. Not once did i ever think that Jon or Dany were going to die despite being fecking surrounded by a horde of the undead at times, only for them to be saved at the last moment. Same goes for Breinne, Sam, Jamie etc, etc. Pulling off this stunt once? Fine. Twice? Ok. But to do it multiple times just completely cheapens it. The plot armour for these main characters has obviously been there since last season, but without that peril there is a distinct lack of tension.
That’s the thing with creating such a juggernaut of a TV show. Absolutely impossible to please everyone. Still like the show, but…yeah. Just thought it could’ve been so much more.

Anyway, i’m team Cersei all the fecking way.
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They built this whole battle "living vs dead" for how many years now ? To have it end like that ? I just think they ran out of ideas and didn't know how to finish this big part of GOT. Personally I feel really disappointed.
 
RedSky said:
Oh my, why do people keep mentioning that Jon scene. There's a huge difference in Arya sneaking up on one person than sneaking up on the NK and his entire entourage of pimps.
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It was a not so subtle hint, same as they did in the previous episode 'the crypt is the safest place'.

Green_Red said:
So dragon glass is apparently shit because the feckers just kept coming. 1 dragon left. Now to take on that Cersei bitch. Surprised it ended so quickly for the night king.
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They killed off a huge bunch of them I thought, but the NK raised all the "living" who just died. Are you sure the 2nd dragon is dead?
 
lewwoo said:
Dothraki for me. Seeing them all ride in to the unknown with their flaming swords was amazing. First ones in to battle.
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I had so much emotion in 1 minute of TV. First apprehension. Then Mel lit the swords and I was hell yeah. It was glorious watching them ride into battle then soul destroying watching the lights go out and one or two ride back. It was brilliant TV.
 
Chairman Steve said:
My only possible nitpick with the third episode is that maybe too less of the focus characters died. It seemed like the infamous plot armour was in swing a bit. While I like that it was Arya who killed the Night King, it would feel more bittersweet if it happened after more of the secondary characters died or one of the main primary characters like Sansa, outside of who died.

But the remaining three episodes will tell if they actually serve a purpose to the story beyond this episode.

GRRM isn’t really all about epic battles. He’s about what leads to those epic battles and the resulting impact of those epic battles. Plus the Night Kings death encapsulates GRRMs view on war... The hero and the villain don’t usually die epicly. Sometimes they just die like some average cannon fodder footsoldier regardless of their stature. Tywin Lannister just dies on the toilet at the hands of Tyrion and not some grand sword duel.
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So true.
 
Also all hail Lady Mormont, the heroine!
Also Theon, sad to see him go but he fought bravely.
 
onemanarmy said:
It was a not so subtle hint, same as they did in the previous episode 'the crypt is the safest place'.
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They did the same with the whole Jon being a Targaryen reveal, anybody even attempting to listen to the dialogue could work it out pretty quickly once the tv writers took control with their not so subtle camera winks.
 
Generally liked the episode, but I have to agree on one cristicism. After the dothraki charge there was a lot of tension and a feeling that everyone could die. But about halfway through the episode, after a lot of last minute saves, I felt that the entire main cast were invincible. If they had, as mentioned earlier, divided them into two groups, where one were readying for a retreat to the iron islands, and the other stood their ground, there would have been enourmous tension as to who would survive.

They should also have gathered the remaining "stand your ground"-main cast, together with some unknowns, in a collective last stand, instead of each one standing alone on top of a pile of dead guys.
 
Chairman Steve said:
My only possible nitpick with the third episode is that maybe too less of the focus characters died. It seemed like the infamous plot armour was in swing a bit. While I like that it was Arya who killed the Night King, it would feel more bittersweet if it happened after more of the secondary characters died or one of the main primary characters like Sansa, outside of who died.

But the remaining three episodes will tell if they actually serve a purpose to the story beyond this episode.

GRRM isn’t really all about epic battles. He’s about what leads to those epic battles and the resulting impact of those epic battles. Plus the Night Kings death encapsulates GRRMs view on war... The hero and the villain don’t usually die epicly. Sometimes they just die like some average cannon fodder footsoldier regardless of their stature. Tywin Lannister just dies on the toilet at the hands of Tyrion and not some grand sword duel.
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You hit the nail on the head here. Amazingly the book fans were still expecting Jon vs NK like some Ali/Foreman fight to take place.
 
Firstly, that was good.


Secondly, am I way off in thinking that Melisandre referenced conversations Syrio and Jaqen H’Ghar had with Arya?

Was she a many faced person all along?
 






People getting this excited over something so dumb makes me happy. It's rare but sometimes the simple stupidity of people is lovely.
 
Pexbo said:
Firstly, that was good.


Secondly, am I way off in thinking that Melisandre referenced conversations Syrio and Jaqen H’Ghar had with Arya?

Was she a many faced person all along?
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Mel saw everything in the fires. All through GoT she's said things like that to characters.

Different Gods too, the lord of light clearly was on her side.
 
Redlambs said:
Mel saw everything in the fires. All through GoT she's said things like that to characters.

Different Gods too, the lord of light clearly was on her side.
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Ok thanks way off then. I thought she was indicating it was her all along and she had been guiding Arya towards this moment.
 
duffer said:
Imagine the scene, Manchester United v Liverpool on the final day of next season. They're both tied on points at the top of the table, the game is 0-0 and the 89th minute Man United get a penalty and Rashford is taking his run up. At that moment, how many stewards are doing their job and how many are taking a sneaky look at the game.

The Night King was just about to kill his mortal enemy after 100s of years of trying. Of course his boys were watching that rather than keeping an eye on the fire exits for tiny girl ninjas.
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Suddenly have an image of Roy Keane screaming at the TV because the WWs didn't track the runner.
 
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