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Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended
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Gendry is the royal blood that the woman used leeches on right? And the kind pirate gave a boat to escape. I suppose I get the joke now.
Why is he so important all of a sudden. I hope that's another joke and not a spoiler [mods watch = on]
Because his shoulders are going to be yuge! They'll be great. Fantastic. The best ever. And I know shoulders better than anyone.
Peter Vaughan, the actor playing Maester Aemon, has died today, aged 93.
Didn't think he was that old. So he was working until his nineties, fair play.
His scene with Jon where he reveals who he is was brilliant.
His scene with Jon where he reveals who he is was brilliant.
Feck off 2016.
And so his watch has ended.
Agreed, that was fantastic. Shame but at least he lived until 93. He seems to be the only character that has died a natural death in the show.
Cat's dad died naturally as well.
Was that a scene? lol. I dont even remember that, probably need a refresher.
Apparently Conor McGregor is going to be in it next season.
For the love of Christ....
For the love of Christ....
I'm assuming it won't be a major role. Maybe some wildling who pops up in a few episodes before getting killed. He has that sort of head on him.
Came across some interesting pictures of Arya. I'm glad she's over 18 now.
Well, he went face to face with the mountain, so who knows. But yeah, guessing its a minor fighting role.
It'll be great. Euron Greyjoy will walk in the room and all you'll hear is "WHO DA FOOK IS THAT GUY".
If he'd been in season one then maybe Daenerys would have got a move on with him screaming "YOU'LL DO NUTTIN" in her face.
If he'd been in season one then maybe Daenerys would have got a move on with him screaming "YOU'LL DO NUTTIN" in her face.
She was a cute kid, but I thought she's been getting less and less attractive the older she gets.
Should probably throw the "no paedophile or rape jokes" disclaimer out there at this point.
I'd burst out laughing if that happened.O....kay...?
I remember this scene now, that was awkward.
Was just reading how the series turned this into a joke but in the other medium which shall not be mentioned it was more understandable (Edmure was shaking more given the death and Blackfish was more understanding of the situation).
Just watched the last two episodes of Season 6 again (was being shown on Sky Atlantic). Goddamn did they nail those two episodes, just excellent. Really felt like watching a top quality film when you watched them back to back.
It did have me thinking though... who takes over now at the Freys? Whos next in line? It would be highly ironic if it's Edmure (which I assume it will be). Walder Freys comments about not killing him because he's family and him gloating about defeating the Tullys would be highly funny in that context.
Would also provide the North with some much needed reinforcements when Littlefinger runs off on his quest for the Iron Throne.
It did have me thinking though... who takes over now at the Freys? Whos next in line? It would be highly ironic if it's Edmure (which I assume it will be). Walder Freys comments about not killing him because he's family and him gloating about defeating the Tullys would be highly funny in that context.
Would also provide the North with some much needed reinforcements when Littlefinger runs off on his quest for the Iron Throne.
There are unlimited Freys.
Tons of them though they lost some of those tons when Ramsey killed his daddy and step-mommy.
Technically Fat Walda and her son were Bolton's.
The two more prominent ones in the show I think were in Aryas pie. Also I seem to recall someone in the show mentioning how it was Walder who held the power and his sons were a bunch of simpletons (might have been Jamie).
Given he was wed to one of Walders daughters, couldn't she claim the Frey throne? Free Edmure and then they'd have the power of the Freys and Riverrun united?
None of the Freys hold any real power, it's only because they have the backing of the Lannisters than they have been handed control of the Riverlands, Jaime said as much last season. As for Walder's heir, he has dozens of sons, grandsons, great grandsons etc. The only way that Edmure has a claim is if basically every Frey dies, but if that were to happen it probably means the Lannisters have pulled out of the Riverlands and he can retake control of Riverrun to which he is the rightful Lord.
We saw these two involved in the RW and last season too. I guess they're the main Freys now?
The Freys have an important castle (we were told this way back when). They have a sizable army (that hasn't really lost much numbers since the war began). Given the undead army is coming and the North's population has reduced in number, it's a fair assumption to suggest that both the Twins and Riverrun armies will be important in fighting back the undead.
The only character that has links to both locations and armies is Edmure. We've been told a few times that the Frey sons are a bit simple and pretty shit and given that female characters seem important in Game of Thrones it's not a huge leap to take that suggests that Edmures wife could lead a revolt and take the Frey thrown no? She'd know by doing that and freeing her Husband she'd automatically wield the Riverrun army to help protect her incase things went south and we already saw Jamie returning to Kings Landing at the end of the Season.
Given we're coming up to end game now, seems like a good way of neatening up the plot imo. Also would provide the plot with nice foreshadowing which GoT loves so much.
They don't have an army, they just have that castle. Like with most houses in GoT, the greater ones get their numbers due to the houses sworn to them. Currently, the Riverlands follow the Freys because of the backing of the Lannister. This will most likely change now and Edmure will be back in charge, if he still has enough credibility. Otherwise, they might just follow Jon like they have followed Rob once the word spreads.
That's not how the show depicts the situation. Might be different in the books I dunno.
Watch the below.
Jamie threatened to kill Edmures son. (not in the clip, but its the scene inside the tent).
Edmure entered Riverrun and surrendered the castle (he was the rightful Lord so they all had to obey his orders).
It had nothing to do with the Freys or the backing of the Lannisters. It was all about manipulating Edmure to do their bidding getting the castle without anyone (except Blackfish) dying.
The Twins(Frey castles) by themselves are not important. Robb needed to quickly reach Riverrun to break the (Jaime led) Lannister siege so that he could march south and free Ned, but Tywin Lannister was leading an army on one side of the river and blocking the path so Robb had to cross the river and sneak attack from the other side. Their army is decent for a smaller house(which they are) but only amounts to a few thousand, opposed to the 20k+ which were being led each by Robb, Tywin and Jaime, and that's only accounting for two of the regions in Westeros. Frey men will be inconsequential in the fight against the Others.
Edmure is the rightful Lord of the entire Riverlands region, if he is in a position to stake a claim for The Twins then he will be in a position to retake Riverrun and lead the entire region.
You have a misunderstandig here. The Tullys were stripped of their title as Lord Paramounts of the Trident (warden of the Riverlands) which went to the Freys. Thus, by the Kings order, the houses of the Riverlands and their army have to obey the Freys. The Tullys still are the Lords of Riverrun (that's show only, interestingly) and still have their houses man, which is why the soldiers of Riverrun obeyed his orders. The question now will be how long the houses of the Riverlands will accept the Frey's in their position. Possibly not for long
Which is my entire point.
I also know the geography of Westeros pretty well (can thank the board game for this). Lets assume for the moment that the North falls and Jon needs to flee South. They'd have to get pretty close to the Twins given its at the narrowest point of Westeros.
Also you say that 4k men is not important, but that's actually a decent amount of men. Every man counts in the fight against the undead! I don't think the North can have many men left given the initial war fought by Robb and then the various fighting with the Boltons afterwards. They'll need every man they can get.
Freys might be a small house but they've been a pretty prominent part of the TV show so far, representing several seasons. Edmure has to play a part in the next two seasons otherwise what was the point of the Riverrun scenes? Just an excuse to get Jamie out of Kings Landing so Cersei can go batshit mental? Don't buy it.
Which is my entire point.
I also know the geography of Westeros pretty well (can thank the board game for this). Lets assume for the moment that the North falls and Jon needs to flee South. They'd have to get pretty close to the Twins given its at the narrowest point of Westeros.
Also you say that 4k men is not important, but that's actually a decent amount of men. Every man counts in the fight against the undead! I don't think the North can have many men left given the initial war fought by Robb and then the various fighting with the Boltons afterwards. They'll need every man they can get.
Freys might be a small house but they've been a pretty prominent part of the TV show so far, representing several seasons. Edmure has to play a part in the next two seasons otherwise what was the point of the Riverrun scenes? Just an excuse to get Jamie out of Kings Landing so Cersei can go batshit mental? Don't buy it.
What I meant is that if Edmure is in the position, most of the Freys will be dead and as such he wouldn't bother with the Twins but would simply retake Riverrun when presumably the rest of the Riverlands would simply fall in line.
The narrowest point in Westeros is actually the Neck where Moat Cailin and Greywater Watch(of house Reed) sit, which a little North of the Twins, which are a little out of the way and aren't even that close to the Kingsroad so you woudn't have to travel near them to pass South.
The TVs representation of the Freys result in them mainly being dead anyway.
Walder - dead throat slit
Walders wife - dead killed by cat at Red Wedding
Black Walder (son) - dead in pie
Luther (son) - dead in pie
Bolton Wife (daughter) - dead fed to doggies
Edmures Wife (daughter) - alive
There might be some more Freys that have had no speaking parts and just stood in the background, but those are the only ones I can think of. Did Walder remarry after Cat slit his wives throat at the Red Wedding? I can't recall us being introduced to her?
When we first met the Walder Frey in season 1, Cat was introduced some of his daughters, granddaughters etc. and there were at least a dozen of them introduced, that was just a small fraction of them and didn't even include any of the men. There are plenty of Freys left, even if most(all?) of the named ones are dead, and they're mostly all called Walder or Walda.