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Just seen it. Great episode and such a sucky ending, it's almost as bad as the first season's 
I've enjoyed this season, I'm watching the last one back and that was far more boring early on.
I did see it coming, but definitely not like that. Going on I just can't see the mountain living, what's the point in being called a viper unless there's poison involved? Wasn't the weapon shown as gleaming? Also Tywin's screen time and involvement seems to have decreased, I think he's not long for the chop.
But I really don't see them killing Tyrion off. I was thinking Jaimie probably saves him but that's too obvious, though it hasn't stopped the program before. We also haven't seen much of the spider of late either. Maybe his whore was lying and helps him? God I'm going to be disappointed if he does die, not after what's just happened
But I really don't see them killing Tyrion off. I was thinking Jaimie probably saves him but that's too obvious, though it hasn't stopped the program before. We also haven't seen much of the spider of late either. Maybe his whore was lying and helps him? God I'm going to be disappointed if he does die, not after what's just happened
I've enjoyed this season, I'm watching the last one back and that was far more boring early on.
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I think I was just getting over that scene when I watched this
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The ending we all wanted
So what, are we all just posting the same video again and again?
I kid.. I just checked the post recent page didn't see it posted.
I get that you didn't do that intentionally, yep, I was more confused about reddevil's post - maybe that was a joke though
Yeah it was a joke because I knew it was posted before. Just teasing Trizy a bit
Yeah it was a joke because I knew it was posted before. Just teasing Trizy a bit
Well that's one name of my birthday list!
Just watched the The Mountain and The Viper....
Jesus Christ, that was brutal, probably the only death that's left me shocked (in terms of the way he died). Absolutely fecking crazy.
Jesus Christ, that was brutal, probably the only death that's left me shocked (in terms of the way he died). Absolutely fecking crazy.
My guess about what happens next is probably quite obvious but
Although they like to kill main characters I get the feeling that Tyrion might be the one of the few characters that will carry the story through to the very end. Since he is the best character by far this may be wishful thinking but I'm going to go with my hunch. I also think that the dragons must be part of the end game so Danerys must have a good chance of surviving to the end.
If this guess is true then who is going to die in the next 2 episodes?
John Snow? I'm thinking not as his and Sam's storyline seems to be important for the wilding/white walkers part of the plot. If the Wildings slaughter everyone then the North is very vulnerable. I therefore expect the Night's Watch to beat or more likely outwit the wildings thus slowing this part of the plot somewhat. Maybe they will block the wall/tunnel up and fall back to ???? Take Winterfell?
Tywin Lanister is a great character but he is so powerful and manipulative that it would take quite something to get rid of him but if he was dead the plot could move with a bit more freedom. More poison perhaps? The bald eunuch to allow Tyrion to escape? Given we need a shock death of a really major character I think he is at least possible.
Jaime Lanister - rapist, child attempted murderer, incest enthusiast but nice to tall female knights and his brother (sort of). It would seem an odd time to kill him as his life or death wouldn't move the plot along much at the moment.
Danerys Targereon = Tits and dragons. Not going anywhere.
Reek - who cares? Could be an easy major character to write out
Cersei Lanister - nasty piece of work, should die horribly therefore won't. Not yet at least. I think there is more to her story yet so low death chance.
Various young stark offspring - all seem important for now so will probably survive
Tall female knight whatever her name is and the former serf to Tyrion have only just started their journey so probably won't die
Hodor - hodor hodor hodor
Bron - seems to have just started a new storyline so low death chance.
Petyr Baylish - surely has a major plot arc to go so won't die.
Ygritte - may have become superfluous once John Snow did a runner. Maybe not and may join up with John again.
Leader of the Wildings could be in danger as a fairly generic baddy
Annoying bloke who lead the Knights Watch is probably going to die to allow John Snow to do whatever John Snow is going to do next.
Fat Sam and his woman and baby. You lot hate them so they will live.
fat bald eunuch and the expelled knight seem to still have plot importance so probably safe.
So my guesses at chance of death are:
75% Annoying bloke who lead the Knights Watch
55% Leader of the Wildings
50% Reek, Tywin Lanister, Ygritte
25% Tyrion
20% Jaime Lanister
15% John Snow, Hodor
10% Tall female knight whatever her name and the former serf to Tyrion, Cersei Lanister, all the young Stark offspring, Bron, Fat bald eunuch, knight expelled by Daneyris
5% Petyr Baylish
2% Danerys Targereon
1% Fat Sam and his woman and baby
So 2-3 of the 5 characters I've rated at 50% or above would be my guess unless Tyrion ends up dead. I suppose only the 3 at 50% are really main characters so maybe 2 of them if Tyrion survives.
If this guess is true then who is going to die in the next 2 episodes?
John Snow? I'm thinking not as his and Sam's storyline seems to be important for the wilding/white walkers part of the plot. If the Wildings slaughter everyone then the North is very vulnerable. I therefore expect the Night's Watch to beat or more likely outwit the wildings thus slowing this part of the plot somewhat. Maybe they will block the wall/tunnel up and fall back to ???? Take Winterfell?
Tywin Lanister is a great character but he is so powerful and manipulative that it would take quite something to get rid of him but if he was dead the plot could move with a bit more freedom. More poison perhaps? The bald eunuch to allow Tyrion to escape? Given we need a shock death of a really major character I think he is at least possible.
Jaime Lanister - rapist, child attempted murderer, incest enthusiast but nice to tall female knights and his brother (sort of). It would seem an odd time to kill him as his life or death wouldn't move the plot along much at the moment.
Danerys Targereon = Tits and dragons. Not going anywhere.
Reek - who cares? Could be an easy major character to write out
Cersei Lanister - nasty piece of work, should die horribly therefore won't. Not yet at least. I think there is more to her story yet so low death chance.
Various young stark offspring - all seem important for now so will probably survive
Tall female knight whatever her name is and the former serf to Tyrion have only just started their journey so probably won't die
Hodor - hodor hodor hodor
Bron - seems to have just started a new storyline so low death chance.
Petyr Baylish - surely has a major plot arc to go so won't die.
Ygritte - may have become superfluous once John Snow did a runner. Maybe not and may join up with John again.
Leader of the Wildings could be in danger as a fairly generic baddy
Annoying bloke who lead the Knights Watch is probably going to die to allow John Snow to do whatever John Snow is going to do next.
Fat Sam and his woman and baby. You lot hate them so they will live.
fat bald eunuch and the expelled knight seem to still have plot importance so probably safe.
So my guesses at chance of death are:
75% Annoying bloke who lead the Knights Watch
55% Leader of the Wildings
50% Reek, Tywin Lanister, Ygritte
25% Tyrion
20% Jaime Lanister
15% John Snow, Hodor
10% Tall female knight whatever her name and the former serf to Tyrion, Cersei Lanister, all the young Stark offspring, Bron, Fat bald eunuch, knight expelled by Daneyris
5% Petyr Baylish
2% Danerys Targereon
1% Fat Sam and his woman and baby
So 2-3 of the 5 characters I've rated at 50% or above would be my guess unless Tyrion ends up dead. I suppose only the 3 at 50% are really main characters so maybe 2 of them if Tyrion survives.
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The most messed up thing about Oberyn's death was how such a composed character screamed like that. Was chilling.
My theory on Tyrion
My theory on Tyrion
While people moan about George Martin's tendency to kill off major characters, he's nothing but consistent in the way he does it. It's shocking and sudden. Tyrion's death wouldn't be either and I feel pretty certain he'll survive.
My theory
I think Jaime will help Tyrion escape somehow. Tyrion will then get revenge on either Cersei or the prostitute and head off into the sunset somewhere. It'll be hard for him to stay hidden though as he's so recognisable. Not sure what will happen to Jaime if he does help him escape though, don't see him getting any sisterly loving for a while anyway. He might have to leave King's Landing too.
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Have a feeling either Ginger or Snow will die in the upcoming battle. More likely that it will be Ginger.
I think Jamie will try to rescue Tyrion and end up getting killed himself, but giving enough time for Tyrion to escape. Tyrion will then be blamed for the death of his mother, brother and nephew.
Bianca might sacrifice herself for Bastard Snow
Modmin edit - Bianca is a ginger girl in a British soap that looks vaguely like Ygritte
Modmin edit - Bianca is a ginger girl in a British soap that looks vaguely like Ygritte
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Can it be Sunday night already?
Next episode is episode 9 Always the most shocking, so god knows what will happen next
Always the most shocking, so god knows what will happen nextoh, it's friday already! 2 days...
Obertan's death was all about the shock value(see shite Yank daytime soaps...). Next week we may discover that the Dragon woman can't act and her and her dragons are utterly pointless. And Wibbs, have a word with yourself...
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Are you auditioning for Weaste's position, or something?
What about
Ned Stark? His death was predictable even if it wasn't Sean Bean playing him. You would expect that he somehow get away with it, sure, in a normal world. But it was predictable - he was hold captive and he was obviously under threat.
I agree though that GRRM probably won't kill Tyrion, but who knows
I agree though that GRRM probably won't kill Tyrion, but who knows
But
Ned was promised that he could take the black if he accepted Joffrey as the true heir to the throne and the rightful king. He did all that, and even if we'd sort of gotten to know Joffrey as an odious little shit already, giving the order to kill Ned was still quite shocking at the time. That was when he went from entitled little brat with a slight sadistic streak to a full-blown turd of the highest order. I didn't see it coming.
I get what you are talking, yes. But the point is that you can see it coming - you either think that Joffrey will be merciful or sadistic (and we already know that he has it in him), but the death is near. it's just that the hollywood taught us that in that situations he won't die.
there it is again - the death is near and it is even more obvious, yes. but it can go either way - it will still be shocking if Tyrion - one of the main and probably the most interesting character died or he could be miraculously saved. you just can't say there.
I, personally, still think that he would live somehow - but I can see it going either way
there it is again - the death is near and it is even more obvious, yes. but it can go either way - it will still be shocking if Tyrion - one of the main and probably the most interesting character died or he could be miraculously saved. you just can't say there.
I, personally, still think that he would live somehow - but I can see it going either way
I've been thinking about this and
OR we could see a huge shocker when
Sunday can't come soon enough. FML
one of the following could happen:
1.
Jaime gets Tyrion out and in the process gets killed
In the last episode when so many things happened, we got to see the bonding between Jaime and Tyrion for almost 10 mins! So I think Jaime trying to get Tyrion out would be predictable and just when this happens, we might see them kill Jaime off .. you know just for the shock value.
2.
Tyrion gets out and runs off to the North and joins Jon Snow and helps him overcome the white walkers or wildlings or whatever it is beyond that wall
3.
Tyrion gets out and kills Cercei/Tywin (whoever he can get his hands on, for revenge) and then stays in KL with some sort of a "protection" from Tommen (some kinda deal involving Margaery or Shae)
4.
Bron/Beylish/Varys/Indira Varma(forgot what she's called)/some other character saves his ass
5.
We're all idiots in somehow hoping Tyrion would live, when in fact he will die. (a la` Ned Stark)
1.
Jaime gets Tyrion out and in the process gets killed
In the last episode when so many things happened, we got to see the bonding between Jaime and Tyrion for almost 10 mins! So I think Jaime trying to get Tyrion out would be predictable and just when this happens, we might see them kill Jaime off .. you know just for the shock value.
2.
Tyrion gets out and runs off to the North and joins Jon Snow and helps him overcome the white walkers or wildlings or whatever it is beyond that wall
3.
Tyrion gets out and kills Cercei/Tywin (whoever he can get his hands on, for revenge) and then stays in KL with some sort of a "protection" from Tommen (some kinda deal involving Margaery or Shae)
4.
Bron/Beylish/Varys/Indira Varma(forgot what she's called)/some other character saves his ass
5.
We're all idiots in somehow hoping Tyrion would live, when in fact he will die.
(a la` Ned Stark)OR we could see a huge shocker when
Jaime kills Tyrion for brownie points with Cercei/Tywin
I mean they've been showing all along that Jaime and Tyrion have a bond between them - so it would be the ultimate surprise if he (Jaime) kills Tyrion!
I mean they've been showing all along that Jaime and Tyrion have a bond between them - so it would be the ultimate surprise if he (Jaime) kills Tyrion!
Sunday can't come soon enough. FML
How to spell GoT names:
Jaime Lannister
Cersei Lannister
Daenerys Targaryen
Viserys Targaryen
Varys
Petyr Baelish
Melisandre
Daario Naharis
Bronn
Ygritte
Jaime Lannister
Cersei Lannister
Daenerys Targaryen
Viserys Targaryen
Varys
Petyr Baelish
Melisandre
Daario Naharis
Bronn
Ygritte
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I got Bronn and Baelish wrong. [gonna play it cool now]
Couldn't care less about the spellings of those guys :-P
Good theory.
Never read any of the books. Watched a few episodes here and there. Perhaps more importantly, seen pictures of the author.
And with that last, regarding the death of the dwarf-
-It's not very nice, but it's highly likely that the dwarf character will not die during the series. 99.9999999 percent sure. With the 0.00000001 percent being his death at/towards the very end.
Reason being that he's the author. (Fat/ugly/short/ostracized/misunderstood/a 'good' guy/wits-to-survive in a world that rewards 'beautiful/fit' people that he can gleefully kill in his make-believe world)
Could be wrong, but there are also some other signs supporting this.
Reason being that he's the author. (Fat/ugly/short/ostracized/misunderstood/a 'good' guy/wits-to-survive in a world that rewards 'beautiful/fit' people that he can gleefully kill in his make-believe world)
Could be wrong, but there are also some other signs supporting this.
There is truth in this. I understand the desire not to follow conventional plot lines but essentially Oberyn death was just about shock value rather than good use of a character for plot progression. We will see how the storyline proceeds and if they can make good use of his death or it just sticks out.
How was Oberyn's death a shock? Before the episode everyone knew he was going into a fight to the death against a massive bloke.
I don't think anyone was actually shocked by the fact that he died, it was just the way in which it was done that was gruesome. But the death itself was expected.
I don't think anyone was actually shocked by the fact that he died, it was just the way in which it was done that was gruesome. But the death itself was expected.
Firstly let me say I'm not a book reader, however in this thread its already been said that Oberyn has only a brief role only in books. So him dying in the show is already pre-ordained.
I don't think its shock value as there is a pattern to most of these death that actually serves a purpose for the show as a whole. If we were dealing with a conventional TV show where there isn't the prospect of death for any character at anytime then half of the audience wouldn't even be contemplating the fact that Tyrion might actually die because on the basis of conventional TV shows the popular characters rarely die. It it to RR Martin's credit that he has been so willing to let go of popular characters throughout the series. The prospect of death keeps viewers on the edge of their seats because there is a genuine feeling that nobody is 100% safe.
I also find the idea that its just shock value driving it as a little harsh, it is in keeping with feudal history that death can come at any time to all those who are anywhere other than in the highest most protected positions and even then in some cases that isn't enough to save some. I actually think the creators of the show don't get enough credit for creating such an edgy atmosphere where the viewers keep watching in hope rather than expectation that their favorite characters might survive.
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This the fourth shock event in GOT TV history. The first one rightfully went against conventional TV storylines since the situation Ned Stark was in, most people generally do die and generally deux-ex-machina is used to save the hero. It also drove the plot with a war kicking off and all.
The red wedding, again was culmination of that war with Robb Stark essentially at a dead end and it serves as a end of a chapter of war between Lannisters and Starks. Tough to judge the purple wedding right now, the only clear consequences of that event are Tywin getting more control and Tyrion landing in trouble. I am struggling to see right now any good plot development out of the last death. If anything Oberyn was turning out to be an interesting player in the GOT world who should have been explored more